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Nintendo Switch update 6.2.0 may have fixed its security flaw and stopped the hacking scene for now
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If you read carefully, it's the SHA256 hash of the master key, not the actual key itself.
Yeah I know that it wasn't directly their fault this time, but let's be honest, it has happened to every system pretty quickly since the DS and Wii (3DS taking the longest?), maybe earlier but I forget. It seems like a hacker's paradise any time new hardware rolls out. Or maybe I just seem to notice it more and it happens just as often on Xbox and PS?
i'm by no means an expert but iirc the wii was similiar to the GC so hacking was easy as they already cracked the cube. The DS was one of the most succesful gaming devices of all time so many thousands of people tried to crack it and since there was a huge market for flash cartridges it made financial sense to do so. whatever nintendo releases has people wanting to crack it. nobody cares about cracking the xbox 1.
That's pretty much what I figured, it does seem like their hardware gets a lot of focus. I've never thought of them as an 'incompetent' company in any way but it's always painful to see this happen relatively fast. But I guess that's just how it is when you have a lot of smart people out there determined to find a way.
This was defeated because of nVidia again.
But for now the exploit is actually going to remain secret so no one knows what ReSwitched is going to do. They could decide to not release the key directly and fuck over leecher groups/pirate groups.
In other news, RIP some nVidia stupidity as another vulnerability was patched: https://switchbrew.org/w/index.php?title=Switch_System_Flaws&oldid=5613
This one was quite (in)famous for a while.
It's why the term cat and mouse is used. That said, we don't know how this new exploit works, so it might be a pretty easy fix, it might not.Ohhhh!This is like watching Tom & Jerry cartoon
What? Not wanting people to pirate games for a system you enjoy isn't caping for a corporation.
Why only for the system you enjoy then? Shouldn't stance on piracy be universal?
Of course? You're just unlikely to keep up and respond to the topic. I'm certainly not saying systems you don't like should be blown open, and that's a truly bizarre way to twist my post.
No intention of twisting anything. It just seemed like you were saying 2 different things is all.
I'm happy we are on the same page then! :)
To your first point I certainly agree and you are right with that, especially in economically weaker markets the effects must be more severe, which basically leads somewhat back to Gabe Newell's famous quote: "Piracy is not a pricing but a service issue." but I would say in certain markets price also is a factor. Could I ask where you are from? Piracy in general is a very complex issue and is not as black or white as the industry obviously wants people to think as there have been even studies that showed that piracy can also have positive effects on a market: https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikka...ternet-downloads-increase-sales/#7062844d5c43
I can't find the actual study right now but as someone who partially studies in the business sector this in an unbelievable complex dynamic and the positive effects might not outweigh the negative ones. Again I do not advocate or promote piracy, I just want to say that actual, full effects it can have on a market are probably lost on us all but it's save to assume that the most immediate effect is likely a negative one.
As for your second point, you are right I forgot about people that buy two or more consoles, that will of course drive hardware sales and negatively effect software sales, I'm actually really curious how high the percentage of these kind of pirates is in any given market.
Ultimately whenever I think of Gabe Newell's quote I had a rather interesting, but rather extreme idea on to how to counter piracy better. Let's assume piracy is truly a service issue, would a copyright reform that forces companies to indefinitely sell their products actually help?
Let's say the copyright-span would only reach 5 to 10 years after the sale of a product ended, would that motivate companies to actually make their full backcatalog readily available? Let's stick with Nintendo and the SNES here as an example, this would mean that 10 years after any particular SNES games stopped being on sale Nintendo would lose the copyright on it, would they actually keep up with selling it? To make things more clear, in my hypothetical copyright reform the sale of an product wouldn't have to be in it's original form so Virtual Console re-releases would be fine. I would also say that something like Kingdom Hearts HD Remix would adequately cover the Kingdom Hearts PS2 games minus the handheld games that got reduced to movies. On the other hand a game like Pokémon Let's Go wouldn't cover the original Gameboy games as the difference here is too vast.
Of course such a law would have to be very very carefully balanced in its nuances (e.g. MMOs etc.) but I'm curious, would it help combating piracy if companies were forced to sell there games? It would atleast cover the preservation argument and take this "reason" for piracy away. But I'm writing this while being very tired so I might make a glaring oversight here but what do other people think about this?
So if I'm not super concerned about homebrew and mods right now, but would like the option down the road to mod my Switch like I have my Vita, I guess upgrading to 6.2 is okay? I'm probably going to do it anyways because even the ability to post screenshots/video to social media requires the update now and I'm not sure I see any short-term purpose I'd really care about.
If you absolutely need it to be hacked and usable as such right this second, simply don't update your system and lose online, eshop, etc. If you plan on playing online, or want to buy the latest games day one, update and just live without.
The thing is, when the product reaches EoL, it'll be hacked again for sure and you won't have to worry about things like updates killing anything or possibly bricking your system or getting it permanently banned from online... So the choice is really yours to make.
User Banned (3 Days): Advocating piracy, thread derail
I have a switch. There are 2 choices for me:
1. I can use homebrew, and a small minority of users can pirate games (AKA business as usual).
2. I cannot use homebrew and nobody can pirate games.
#1 doesn't affect me negatively in the slightest.
#2 affects me negatively in a direct and substantial way.
That's what I meant.
People come from different circumstances. Some people have reason to hate on piracy more than others.
Acting that people hating piracy all is equal to corporation bootlicking is as worst as people accusing other as pirate.
Please feel free to provide me with an example of that hypothetical someone and what his reason is to hate on piracy.
It affects me if software sales go down due to pirating. It drives out smaller devs the more pirating spreads and generally hurts the platform. My views are probably colored by knowing people who would have binders full of pirated games, and in the case of say the Dreamcast - which was especially easy to pirate - would have people laugh at me for paying for a game while I saw the platform die. Supporting a company by not stealing from it is not caping. Thinking a company has a right to prevent outright theft, is not caping.
You know game developers use this forum right? I'd be a bit salty if people were pirating my game, too, even if there's no hard evidence to suggest that piracy directly affects game sales in any meaningful way.
edit - although indie developers probably have a valid reason to be wary of piracy, since their install bases are usually much smaller than a AAA developer.
On an open platform it's only a matter of time before cheat detection is broken.
Well, this doesn't kill Lakka from what I understand, and that's about the only thing I care about. I just wish we could get full blown Android Pie running on the Switch. Hell, I wouldn't really care about either of those things if they just gave us Nvidia Gamestream.
a small minority???? really?
when you had examples on this same thread of people in countries that stop selling some mroe rare switch games because the rampant piracy in the country?
when you search on youtube and most of the tutorials are for piracy and providing links instead of a few homebrew
you must be joking
1. My answer was for that dude who claimed some nonsense about someone being more hurt by piracy than the removal of homebrew.
If you want to debate whether piracy is bad, start a thread. I'm not interested in defending piracy.
it's good that you have feelings and things. I like salt baked chicken myself. It's really delicious. Ever tried it?
So, people have feelings? Cool...I...ummm....am not going to dispute that?
That indie developer with a switch can come post in this thread that he prefers for his homebrew to be removed because he thinks he'll make more money, I guess? He would actually have a rational reason to feel the way he does.
The remaining 99.9999% of people do not.
Nobody is defending piracy here. It's disappointing that you can't differentiate between piracy and homebrew. Same thing happens with emulation and piracy. People love a simple world but the world is complicated. Be brave and accept it. Otherwise, bad things happen.
I don't think you're coming off the way you might think you're coming off here
I say this as someone who has a hacked switch
Someone banned in this thread for defending piracy.
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Where only one or a few anecdotes are presented, there is a larger chance that they may be unreliable due to cherry-picked or otherwise non-representative samples of typical cases.[1][2] Similarly, psychologists have found that due to cognitive bias people are more likely to remember notable or unusual examples rather than typical examples. Misuse of anecdotal evidence is an informal fallacy
The fact that you would try and use anecdotal evidence is the real joke here. Don't do it again. #getthestrap #lecheminduroi
speaking of cherrypicking i really like how you didnt talk about how rampant is the piracy on sites like youtube, and that's not anecdotes, but you got it champ, Homebrew is the reason of the hacked switches ;)
Indonesia gaming market is reduced into tatters due to piracy and till now it never recovered.
The most successful game by Indonesian devs Dread Out literally need sales from outside its own home country thanks to piracy and lack of care toward gaming industry.
The rampant piracy lead to indonesian devs jumping into online game with tons of lootbox feature as that is literally the only way to make money due to 0 chance of piracy happening.
Capiche now?
Yeah. People dont hack switch to pirate them at all nopeeeee. It is all for that sexy sexy homebrew.
Like see. Indonesia biggest forum kaskus literally had 5 OT on hacked switch vs 2 OT on legal switch games.
But sure. Homebrew baby. No piracy as it is such a small minority. So small that huge amount of psp and ds game never get localized due to how bad piracy can be.
Piracy is bad. If nobody buys games, then nobody will make games and we all lose. I am not familiar with the Indonesian game market so I can't comment on it.
I love playing my 1980s arcade games on my switch. The switch has the best gamepad EVER. Emulation is a good and beautiful thing.
Without homebrew, I would be condemned to only playing those arcade games using my Xbox One controller. What a nightmare :(
This is now a philosophy thread.
In America we have a saying. "It's better to let 10 criminals go free than to jail one innocent man".
If you had a magic box with a button that could put 10 criminals in jail, but also accidentally put one innocent man in jail, for 10 years, you're saying you would press that button?
Really? What if the innocent man is your brother? Or yourself? Would you think "oh well! it's worth the sacrifice!" ?
I know there is some people like you who really uses switch simply for homebrew and still support the devs for more games in the future.
But i sure as hell dont want to be called corporate bootlickers just because i hate piracy. I have seen how piracy destroy my country game market.
When the first thing i type on the biggest online market in my country for ps4 and switch. The first result shows henkaku and xcuter dongle. You know how F the market is. Piracy is literally the norm and even push by the sellers.
Then we have different philosophy then. Does letting those other 9 criminal will lead to even more victims? If yes then sadly the one wrong guy is just considered a worthy sacrifice.
Also when u need to protect homebrew by using this philosophy question, u know homebrew is not that important there.
Honestly, it wouldn't be as much of a nightmare as going through the process of getting the roms dumped from the arcade cabinets and everything to begin with.
Holy crap! We have actually arrived at the root of our disagreement! This is amazing. It almost never happens.
You are right. We have a different philosophy.
Yes the criminals might commit more crimes, but maybe some of them will repent and stop. Maybe if one of the criminals goes to jail, 2 of their boys will also become criminals because of the lack of a father. It happens all the time here. Kids run with bad crowds because of a lack of parental supervision and role models.
So sending one criminal to jail might create 2 criminals and it would be better to not send him to jail.
Or maybe the innocent man is a cop who would have arrested 20 criminals if he has stayed outside of jail.
The world is extremely complex and complicated. There are no easy solutions, despite what people like Rodrigo Duterte think.
Then we will just agree and disagree without a need to talk down others capiche? You follow what you thing is correct and i will follow mine.
The world does not revolve only with you. Some people simply had different thoughts. You think homebrew is essential to your experience. I feel homebrew as all is useless as it open as piracy gate which ruined the whole industry.
I have no idea what this analogy is about. Who is the innocent person in this scenario? You're hacking your system, so you should know you're running the risk of getting it bricked or kicked out of the official ecosystem. It's not like these attempts at preventing hacking are hurting random average consumers.