Doctor Who Series 11 |OT|- She’s Here, and It’s About Time

APZonerunner · Nov 23, 2018

PlanetSmasher said:
Yeah. I'm pretty sure Ejiofor turned it down as well, just based on the trajectories of the two actors' careers and the way they've spoken about it in public when asked. I wouldn't be surprised if both of them were in the running, and Ejiofor said no and Joseph didn't nail the audition.

Paterson is one of the better things in Jekyll - grinning, hand-wringing, over-the-top evil businessman. There's something Doctor-ish about how over the top he is in that role (or even, Master-ish, tbh), and you can see why he'd have been on Moffat's shortlist a year later.

PlanetSmasher · Nov 23, 2018

APZonerunner said:
Paterson is one of the better things in Jekyll - grinning, hand-wringing, over-the-top evil businessman. There's something Doctor-ish about how over the top he is in that role (or even, Master-ish, tbh), and you can see why he'd have been on Moffat's shortlist a year later.

I think that's one thing that's been said about Doctor actors a lot in the past - many of them are actors who are almost just as much at home playing villains as they are playing heroes. Obviously it doesn't apply to all of them - Davison, Jodie and even McGann are a little more outwardly heroic - but Troughton, Tennant, Eccleston and Capaldi are all actors who have a touch of darkness in everything they do, which meshes well with the Doctor's persona.

Joseph definitely would've been able to nail that part of the character, though he's probably a little old for the role now. Then again, his most recent show just got cancelled, so maybe he'd take the part if it was offered.

Deleted member 3815 · Nov 23, 2018

PlanetSmasher said:
As far as I can tell, the only reason it hasn't happened yet is just bad timing/bad luck. There were multiple attempts to make it happen over the past decade and they just haven't worked out yet. I fully expect the next Doctor after Jodie to be a black man.

Yeah hopefully it happens after Jodie tenure is over.

WhovianGamer · Nov 23, 2018

I'm not fussed about sex or race, I just want the best person for the job.

I wish Jodie had stronger writing, as the questions around that give fuel to the anti-female Doctor rhetoric of some groups.

Deleted member 17388 · Nov 23, 2018

This current series seems very everyday, and I really enjoy it!

I remember leaving the show when the long-running mysteries were being resolved by introducing new long-running mysteries; I quite like Thirteenth leaves no puzzle unsolved! :V

I just hope there are more historical-centric episodes as they're my current favorites. Hopefully not-UK based so we all get to learn something from other countries' history. And introducing some Sentai-like monster-of-the-week wouldn't hurt... just sayin'

Cosmonaut X · Nov 23, 2018

Grunge_Hamster said:
This current series seems very everyday, and I really enjoy it!

I remember leaving the show when the long-running mysteries were being resolved by introducing new long-running mysteries; I quite like Thirteenth leaves no puzzle unsolved! :V

I just hope there are more historical-centric episodes as they're my current favorites. Hopefully not-UK based so we all get to learn something from other countries' history. And introducing some Sentai-like monster-of-the-week wouldn't hurt... just sayin'

I'm in the same boat - the novelty of series-long threads and mysterious phrases had worn off before Moffat took over, so it had *really* started to grate by the time he left. I'm entirely happy to have a few series without any epic revelations or season-long arcs - a return to the classic Who formula - but if that's going to be the direction for now, then the writing needs to be absolutely on point. A weak episode when there's a running thread is more easily forgiven than a weak episode when that episode is a standalone tale.

I agree with an earlier post that Chibnall seems like an entirely able showrunner, but his writing on Who leaves a lot to be desired. A small writer's room for the bulk of the series, with some episodes farmed out to other writers, and Chibnall providing a guiding hand to keep it all moving forward smoothly would be ideal, but I don't know whether we'll get that or whether he's going to stick with the RTD/Moffat model and write half the series himself again...

Kino · Nov 23, 2018

Grunge_Hamster said:
This current series seems very everyday, and I really enjoy it!

I remember leaving the show when the long-running mysteries were being resolved by introducing new long-running mysteries; I quite like Thirteenth leaves no puzzle unsolved! :V

I just hope there are more historical-centric episodes as they're my current favorites. Hopefully not-UK based so we all get to learn something from other countries' history. And introducing some Sentai-like monster-of-the-week wouldn't hurt... just sayin'

I like the new approach as well. It's gentle and down to earth, a nice change of pace from the previous seasons' grandiose convoluted plotlines that often ended unsatisfyingly.

EvilRedEye · Nov 23, 2018

I feel it needs saying that series-long plot arcs panned out very well in the RTD era, with only Series 3 turning out to be a bit of a dud in that respect. It was Moffat that struggled more in that area - let's not tar them both with the same brush.

Hexxen-panda · Nov 23, 2018

I'd be super salty if the New Year's special isn't gonna be included in the Series 11 bluray, and the amazon listing for a seperate bluray release is making me nervous. The series 9 bluray had two Christmas specials packed in!

Eintopf · Nov 23, 2018

Hexxen-panda said:
I'd be super salty if the New Year's special isn't gonna be included in the Series 11 bluray, and the amazon listing for a seperate bluray release is making me nervous. The series 9 bluray had two Christmas specials packed in!

I collected all the DVDs for Doctor Who from series 1 to series 6. Christmas Specials would always be sold seperately from the rest of the series with the exception being a DVD which came with Christmas Invasion and New Earth. So it's not out of the ordinary for a festive special to be sold by itself.

EvilRedEye · Nov 23, 2018

In the UK they were sold standalone but were also always bundled in the complete series release until Twice Upon A Time. I suspect a product manager at BBC Worldwide has been trying to engage in fuckery with them for a while as they've been trying to dick about with the handling of specials since Series 7.

Eintopf · Nov 23, 2018

EvilRedEye said:
In the UK they were sold standalone but were also always bundled in the complete series release until Twice Upon A Time. I suspect a product manager at BBC Worldwide has been trying to engage in fuckery with them for a while as they've been trying to dick about with the handling of specials since Series 7.

Ohhhhhhhh. That makes sense. I forgot about the bundles. Kid me always wanted to get each volum seperately since I like the cover art.

Halbrand · Nov 23, 2018

I have the Capaldi years box set and one of the great things about it is that I don't have to worry about the specials not being included.

PaulloDEC · Nov 24, 2018

I've just seen what might be my favourite TARDIS interior design yet. Doctor Who Magazine did a feature this month on the various interiors over the years, and in the corner of one page they put this little beauty by long-time Who alum Peter McKinstry:

http:///z3Zc.jpg

There's touches of Smith's second console room in some of the colouring and lighting, and a lot of influence from McGann's too, especially in the flying buttresses. I absolutely love the cathedral-like ceiling, and the roundels are even still present towards the back.

Kino · Nov 24, 2018

PaulloDEC said:
I've just seen what might be my favourite TARDIS interior design yet. Doctor Who Magazine did a feature this month on the various interiors over the years, and in the corner of one page they put this little beauty by long-time Who alum Peter McKinstry:

http:///z3Zc.jpg

There's touches of Smith's second console room in some of the colouring and lighting, and a lot of influence from McGann's too, especially in the flying buttresses. I absolutely love the cathedral-like ceiling, and the roundels are even still present towards the back.

I wish 13's tardis looked like this artwork; it's incredible.

Spectromixer · Nov 24, 2018

The one thing I like the most about 13th's TARDIS is how the outer crystals move up and down with the center crystal.

Kino · Nov 24, 2018

Spectromixer said:
The one thing I like the most about 13th's TARDIS is how the outer crystals move up and down with the center crystal.

I just wish her Tardis didn't look so dark and cramped.

milamber182 · Nov 24, 2018

Kino said:
I just wish her Tardis didn't look so dark and cramped.

Yeah, it's more of a size issue than a design issue. I did notice they tweaked the lighting for the better in the last episode.

M.Bluth · Nov 24, 2018

milamber182 said:
Yeah, it's more of a size issue than a design issue. I did notice they tweaked the lighting for the better in the last episode.

For some reason they don't seem to be able to go wide on that set. Maybe because the pillars are intrusive and block stuff from view.
Also, it doesn't help that there are no doorways like both of 11's interiors and 12's. It's designed like 9/10's, only it feels smaller because it's dark and the DP loves their close-ups this season.

Punpun · Nov 24, 2018

So, finally was able to catch up on Series 11 in the last few days, but for me personally it was a disappointing experience so far. Only really liked Demons of the Punjab and Kerblam, especially the latter which reminded me of Eccleston's run. But other than those two episodes, I was mainly bored. Which is a shame because I kinda like Jodie as the Doctor and I REALLY like the new Tardis.

Halbrand · Nov 24, 2018

Speaking of the 55th anniversary did we ever find out why Eleven's tomb was on Trenzalore?

shan780 · Nov 24, 2018

my brother and i thought kerblam was pretty great, especially when the last few episodes were so weak

looking forward to the next episode

BouncyFrag · Nov 24, 2018

In light of Kerblam this story from today is fitting:

'We are not robots': Thousands of Amazon workers across Europe are striking on Black Friday over warehouse working conditions
https://www.businessinsider.com/black-friday-amazon-workers-protest-poor-working-conditions-2018-11

RyanPrime_ · Nov 24, 2018

Drewton said:
Speaking of the 55th anniversary did we ever find out why Eleven's tomb was on Trenzalore?

Its where he died until that was over-written with the Time Lords giving him a new set of regenerations

Halbrand · Nov 24, 2018

HigXx said:
Its where he died until that was over-written with the Time Lords giving him a new set of regenerations

But wasn't that required for Clara to enter into the Doctor's time stream and save him countless times?

RyanPrime_ · Nov 24, 2018

Drewton said:
But wasn't that required for Clara to enter into the Doctor's time stream and save him countless times?

Moffat ;)

EvilChameleon · Nov 24, 2018

PlanetSmasher said:
I fully expect the next Doctor after Jodie to be a black man.

Gonna be a woman of color next. That way the "oh they went back to a man crowd" is silent, and they check off the person of color box for good.

Blader · Nov 24, 2018

Drewton said:
But wasn't that required for Clara to enter into the Doctor's time stream and save him countless times?

I guess technically since the future where Trenzalore is razed and the Doctor dies never happens, there's never a timestream for the Great Intelligence to go into and threaten the Doctor with in the first place.

Sign My Guestbook! · Nov 24, 2018

PaulloDEC said:
I've just seen what might be my favourite TARDIS interior design yet. Doctor Who Magazine did a feature this month on the various interiors over the years, and in the corner of one page they put this little beauty by long-time Who alum Peter McKinstry:

http:///z3Zc.jpg

There's touches of Smith's second console room in some of the colouring and lighting, and a lot of influence from McGann's too, especially in the flying buttresses. I absolutely love the cathedral-like ceiling, and the roundels are even still present towards the back.

Wow. If you had a nearly infinite budget, just slam it all down on the table to build the best TARDIS interior ever... just fucking... look at that globe on that right, spinning in layers like the evil gateway from Event Horizon. That set concept is just hilariously awesome.

PlanetSmasher · Nov 24, 2018

EvilChameleon said:
Gonna be a woman of color next. That way the "oh they went back to a man crowd" is silent, and they check off the person of color box for good.

I don't think so. I think they'll follow up the "revolutionary" Doctor with a more traditional one.

Halbrand · Nov 24, 2018

HigXx said:
Moffat ;)

Yeah as much as I love Moffat, the Matt Smith years seem to have a lot of really confusing logical issues. I'm not sure if it actually made sense how the Doctor came back in The Big Bang.

Of course, RTD's episodes had some pretty absurd logical issues too, like all the planets being moved in Journey's End and the TARDIS towing the Earth.

Blader said:
I guess technically since the future where Trenzalore is razed and the Doctor dies never happens, there's never a timestream for the Great Intelligence to go into and threaten the Doctor with in the first place.

But then the Doctor doesn't meet the splinters of Clara in Asylum of the Daleks and The Snowmen.

acheron_xl · Nov 24, 2018

Moffat always acted like he had some grand strategy but almost everything except for the jackets in S5 were convoluted last minute ass-pulls.

Blader · Nov 24, 2018

Drewton said:
But then the Doctor doesn't meet the splinters of Clara in Asylum of the Daleks and The Snowmen.

I guess not, but the Doctor would still remember those events?

The Doctor's death at Trenzalore was not supposed to be a changeable thing anyway, so I just assume if the Time Lords can wave a magic wand that rewrites unrewritable history then they can make it paradox-proof too.

acheron_xl said:
Moffat always acted like he had some grand strategy but almost everything except for the jackets in S5 were convoluted last minute ass-pulls.

Oh shit, I forgot about those jackets

Qwerty Keyboard · Nov 24, 2018

Drewton said:
Yeah as much as I love Moffat, the Matt Smith years seem to have a lot of really confusing logical issues. I'm not sure if it actually made sense how the Doctor came back in The Big Bang.

Of course, RTD's episodes had some pretty absurd logical issues too, like all the planets being moved in Journey's End and the TARDIS towing the Earth.

But then the Doctor doesn't meet the splinters of Clara in Asylum of the Daleks and The Snowmen.

I got this.

;)

Taki · Nov 24, 2018

Will we ever get another earned moment like this

PaulloDEC · Nov 24, 2018

Kino said:
I wish 13's tardis looked like this artwork; it's incredible.

Sign My Guestbook! said:
Wow. If you had a nearly infinite budget, just slam it all down on the table to build the best TARDIS interior ever... just fucking... look at that globe on that right, spinning in layers like the evil gateway from Event Horizon. That set concept is just hilariously awesome.

Yep, it really hits the mark for me. I have to assume that we'll see a theatrically released Doctor Who movie someday, and something like this would be very possible on such a budget.

Taki said:
Will we ever get another earned moment like this

Probably, but they don't crop up too often. It's probably the defining moment (and episode) of Capaldi's run for me.

The Unsent · Nov 24, 2018

Punching a wall for a billion years so you don't lose the person you love, is the most romantic thing ever.

Lashley · Nov 24, 2018

Yeah that episode was fantastic.

I admit, I wish we'd seen some more classic villains this series

Spectromixer · Nov 24, 2018

Heaven Sent might be my favorite episode of New Who.

I miss them

DrForester · Nov 24, 2018

Yeah, Heaven Sent is my favorite episode of New Who, and solidified Capladi as my favorite Doctor.

On a completely different note, for anyone who likes some history. SFDebris did a review of "Doctor Who: The Movie"

There are two videos. The second is the review of the special, the first is a look at the lengthy history of the project.

http://sfdebris.com/videos/doctorwho/smovie.php

Natiko · Nov 25, 2018

Only seen half this season so far, but is there any substance to the rumors around the new doctor and show runner exiting soon? That would be a shame, the show is easily the best it has been since Tennant era.

CommodoreKong · Nov 25, 2018

Natiko said:
Only seen half this season so far, but is there any substance to the rumors around the new doctor and show runner exiting soon? That would be a shame, the show is easily the best it has been since Tennant era.

No one knows, there's almost always rumors the new Doctor is going to leave shortly after they start so you got to take it with a grain of salt.

Natiko · Nov 25, 2018

CommodoreKong said:
No one knows, there's almost always rumors the new Doctor is going to leave shortly after they start so you got to take it with a grain of salt.

Thanks. Really hope it's a bunch of nothing.

Halbrand · Nov 25, 2018

Quick Mustard said:
I got this.

;)

Yeah that's pretty much it, lol.

I'm watching Arachnids in the UK after skipping it before and it seems like more nonsensical morality from Thirteen. Shooting spiders is basically as bad as shooting people and letting them starve is more humane?

Not-Trump shooting a spider with a gun is perfectly fine and it just comes across as bizarre trying to make it look so bad. It's a lot worse that the Doctor killed a kid in Kerblam.

He was really weird as a character, almost exactly like Trump but hated Trump, the moment when they say God help us for him being President is when he kills a spider. I mean I think that's a little better than calling for Muslims to be banned, separating kids from families, and supporting Nazis

I really like the character moments with Graham though. And Jodie's great when she gets to be very Doctor-like struggling to fit in with humans talking about getting a sofa, it's the writing that's really making her suffer and making her, like I've said before, easily the worst New Who Doctor. It's genuinely unbelievable how much they've gotten it wrong

Rosa's still the only episode of the series that I haven't disliked

Natiko said:
Only seen half this season so far, but is there any substance to the rumors around the new doctor and show runner exiting soon? That would be a shame, the show is easily the best it has been since Tennant era.

I may be biased because I'd like Chibnall gone ASAP but I believe at least the part about the 2019 series filming now and only being six episodes

Taki said:
Will we ever get another earned moment like this

There's a reason that story was one Moffat had been saving since the 90s

And we haven't even had a moment up there with the one in Flatline this series.

LL_Decitrig · Nov 25, 2018

Drewton said:
And we haven't even had a moment up there with the one in Flatline this series.

That's a great episode, but did a lot of people just skip Demons of the Punjab? That one episode had kids around the world reading about the Partition of India.

Halbrand · Nov 25, 2018

LL_Decitrig said:
That's a great episode, but did a lot of people just skip Demons of the Punjab? That one episode had kids around the world reading about the Partition of India.

I didn't like that episode myself. The history was interesting, but it felt way too small scale given the subject matter, too much time was wasted on the red herring that were the aliens who turned out pretty lame, the acting from the guest actors were bad, the overall story was pointless, the grandmother really should recognize Yaz in the present, and I really didn't like the way 13 acted here either.

Razmos · Nov 25, 2018

King James trying to proposition Ryan was hilarious

Chille · Nov 25, 2018

So far King James over acting has been best part of this entire season

Stuart444 · Nov 25, 2018

I love King James' actor hamming it up haha.

killer_clank · Nov 25, 2018

This episode is... not great

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