I mean, is being drugged out really an excuse?So do I, So do a lot of people. That's not really an excuse for the types of things being said.
I mean, is being drugged out really an excuse?So do I, So do a lot of people. That's not really an excuse for the types of things being said.
Yeah, even in the U.S.A its kinda shocking how different the age of consent laws are in each state. I always figured it was 18, but I guesd a big reason for that is that most Live Action shows are filmed here.How much below 17 and 18? Because here in the UK, where I'm guessing most of this happened, the legal age of consent is 16.
Nothing bad about allowing 16/17 year olds to have sex, it's fucking human to want that at that age. It's often legal/moral and good at the same time (in normal relationships of course).Congrats to the UK on their bad laws and congrats to you on your broken morality that privileges what is legal over what is good.
It could go from 16 to 14 iirc. Lori was 14-15 when she was raped by David.How much below 17 and 18? Because here in the UK, where I'm guessing most of this happened, the legal age of consent is 16.
Nothing bad about allowing 16/17 year olds to have sex, it's fucking human to want that at that age.
Yah I think you might have missed the point.Nothing bad about allowing 16/17 year olds to have sex, it's fucking human to want that at that age. It's often legal/moral and good at the same time (in normal relationships of course).
It could go from 16 to 14 iirc. Lori was 14-15 when she was raped by David.
I know a lot of people that would argue that girls below like 17 or 16 cannot consent due to being so much younger. Its not fair to them to get seduced by predators that are at least a decade older.
yeah really. I think Bowie's actions and attitude since then speak for themselves.
He did both.I think the key thing here is did he ever actually OWN that he said that shit or did he always just pass it off as "oh the drugs"
Cause at the end of the day one is responsible for ones own actions part of repentance is actually understanding what you did and owning that and not trying to shift blame to anything else.
The rape allegation was a 30 year old.
Oh my bad, read it wrong
Some Drugs can break your self imposed boundaries. It doesn t even have to be illegal... Some people can be violent and rape-bordering under alcohol while they are calm and composed when sober.
It can also cloud your analysis of the situation, 14 or 40 one could just see a mate to copulate with, and you wouldn t even remember it.
Age of consent is BS, kids can have all the fun among themselves, just let them explore without influencing them. It's so much more fun for them.
No.
Some Drugs can break your self imposed boundaries. It doesn t even have to be illegal... Some people can be violent and rape-bordering under alcohol while they are calm and composed when sober.
It can also cloud your analysis of the situation, 14 or 40 one could just see a mate to copulate with, and you wouldn t even remember it.
Age of consent is BS, kids can have all the fun among themselves, just let them explore without influencing them. It's so much more fun for them.
What in the fuck is this post. Age of consent is bs?Some Drugs can break your self imposed boundaries. It doesn t even have to be illegal... Some people can be violent and rape-bordering under alcohol while they are calm and composed when sober.
It can also cloud your analysis of the situation, 14 or 40 one could just see a mate to copulate with, and you wouldn t even remember it.
Age of consent is BS, kids can have all the fun among themselves, just let them explore without influencing them. It's so much more fun for them.
Congrats to the UK on their bad laws and congrats to you on your broken morality that privileges what is legal over what is good.
Most rock stars of the era could probably be classified as pedophiles if you sleeping with under-age girls is that. It's kinda fucked to think about, but I'm sure that happens more often than we ever thought. Still today.
No. If they are 14-16yr old groupies it isn't pedophilia. Pedophilia is being aroused or getting into sexual contact with children that don't have developed attractions. That is an important distinction.
I mean, a normal grown up would not get into contact with a 15yr old girl, but talking about pedophilia is really talking about children that didn't develop any attraction(non native, sorry - breasts and curves is what I mean) at all.
Ehh... you sure about that?No. If they are 14-16yr old groupies it isn't pedophilia. Pedophilia is being aroused or getting into sexual contact with children that don't have developed attractions. That is an important distinction.
I mean, a normal grown up would not get into contact with a 15yr old girl, but talking about pedophilia is really talking about children that didn't develop any attraction(non native, sorry - breasts and curves is what I mean) at all.
No. If they are 14-16yr old groupies it isn't pedophilia. Pedophilia is being aroused or getting into sexual contact with children that don't have developed attractions. That is an important distinction.
I mean, a normal grown up would not get into contact with a 15yr old girl, but talking about pedophilia is really talking about children that didn't develop any attraction(non native, sorry - breasts and curves is what I mean) at all.
Saying that ephebophilia isn't necessarily pedophilia just isn't such a good look.Care to elaborate? A friend of mine was doing research in that topic. It's just that I know the criteria about what he told about the indicators. As I said, a normal grown up won't search contact with teens, but talking about pedophilia has indicators. A pedophile isn't aroused by 16year olds.
No. If they are 14-16yr old groupies it isn't pedophilia. Pedophilia is being aroused or getting into sexual contact with children that don't have developed attractions. That is an important distinction.
I mean, a normal grown up would not get into contact with a 15yr old girl, but talking about pedophilia is really talking about children that didn't develop any attraction(non native, sorry - breasts and curves is what I mean) at all.
Hey @FBI I might check this guy outNo. If they are 14-16yr old groupies it isn't pedophilia. Pedophilia is being aroused or getting into sexual contact with children that don't have developed attractions. That is an important distinction.
I mean, a normal grown up would not get into contact with a 15yr old girl, but talking about pedophilia is really talking about children that didn't develop any attraction(non native, sorry - breasts and curves is what I mean) at all.
YIKES.
Here comes the hebephilia/ephebophilia defence.
Anything under the legal age of consent is paedophilia. If you are in a position of power and you take advantage of someone of the age of consent, you can still be arrested even if the person is 16 (UK age of consent). Such as a school teacher.
Probably not the best way to define it, imo, because that'd make the limit 14 here in Austria(in theory), when it's obviously unacceptable and fucked up beyond that.
Some Drugs can break your self imposed boundaries. It doesn t even have to be illegal... Some people can be violent and rape-bordering under alcohol while they are calm and composed when sober.
It can also cloud your analysis of the situation, 14 or 40 one could just see a mate to copulate with, and you wouldn t even remember it.
Age of consent is BS, kids can have all the fun among themselves, just let them explore without influencing them. It's so much more fun for them.What the actual fucking fuck?
Edit: for some reason Resetera isn't let me edit out the final quote today. I just wanna be clear that I'm dismissing the post out of disgust rather than just quoting i
Yeah that's true in the definition.I don't think the poster was trying to defend anything. It's still an important distinction
A pedophile is attracted to prebubescent children. That's a disorder that we don't no any treatment for at this point. Actual pedophiles can only be part of society if they never, ever try to go after their sexual fantasies.
What we're talking about here is people with a 'normal' sexuality who think anyone who's gone through puberty is fair game. It's reprehensible because of the power imbalance (especially if we're talking about rockstars abusing their fame) and because mentally teenagers aren't fully developed at that point, so they can't be considered to give informed consent. But it's not pedophilia
I don't think the poster was trying to defend anything. It's still an important distinction
A pedophile is attracted to prebubescent children. That's a disorder that we don't no any treatment for at this point. Actual pedophiles can only be part of society if they never, ever try to go after their sexual fantasies.
What we're talking about here is people with a 'normal' sexuality who think anyone who's gone through puberty is fair game. It's reprehensible because of the power imbalance (especially if we're talking about rockstars abusing their fame) and because mentally teenagers aren't fully developed at that point, so they can't be considered to give informed consent. But it's not pedophilia
Not really since one of those is an entirely fictional concept while the other is very much a real thingThin White Duke Bowie was a fascist in the same way that Ziggy Stardust Bowie was friends with spiders from mars.
I thought it was before he moved to Berlin. Also it was his off stage persona too.With the facism stuff he was living in Berlin those years and that was his stage persona.
Theres a difference between an actor playing a nazi during a performance and a person continuing to play a nazi off stage. I know we say he was in character but isn't it possible that character represented a part of him and his views at the time. I mean he created the character and lived it for 2 years. Im not saying those remained his views as he clearly denounced it later in life, but he presented himself that way, it came from him.Yeah the fascist thing should be removed from the OP
Its like calling any actor whose played a nazi a literal nazi. TWD was a fascist persona made during Bowies darkest hour.
Pedophilia (alternatively spelled paedophilia) is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.[1][2] Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12,[3] criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.[4] A person who is diagnosed with pedophilia must be at least 16 years old, and at least five years older than the prepubescent child, for the attraction to be diagnosed as pedophilia.[4][5]
Not really since one of those is an entirely fictional concept while the other is very much a real thing