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David Bowie -- a pedophile and potentially a fascist?
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Yeah, even in the U.S.A its kinda shocking how different the age of consent laws are in each state. I always figured it was 18, but I guesd a big reason for that is that most Live Action shows are filmed here.
Nothing bad about allowing 16/17 year olds to have sex, it's fucking human to want that at that age. It's often legal/moral and good at the same time (in normal relationships of course).
It could go from 16 to 14 iirc. Lori was 14-15 when she was raped by David.
I know a lot of people that would argue that girls below like 17 or 16 cannot consent due to being so much younger. Its not fair to them to get seduced by predators that are at least a decade older.
american teens fuck each other. there are a lot of them, they can pair off fine without grown-ass men getting involved.
Wasnt bowie like 5-6 years older at the time?
But yeah, that groupie culture was fucked. The rave orgy scenes from Devil Man arent far off from reality (if u forget the whole murder demons part)
It's interesting to see how Maddox views the whole thing in a positive fashion, while also saying men should not sleep with underage girls.
He ain't a fascist
He ain't a fascist
Yeah the fascist thing should be removed from the OP
Its like calling any actor whose played a nazi a literal nazi. TWD was a fascist persona made during Bowies darkest hour.
Similar to Roger Waters character in The Wall.
Its like calling any actor whose played a nazi a literal nazi. TWD was a fascist persona made during Bowies darkest hour.
Similar to Roger Waters character in The Wall.
I think the key thing here is did he ever actually OWN that he said that shit or did he always just pass it off as "oh the drugs"
Cause at the end of the day one is responsible for ones own actions part of repentance is actually understanding what you did and owning that and not trying to shift blame to anything else.
He did both.
It's honestly not as important as him banging teenagers anyway.
Jimmy page and Eric Clapton
Hold up wait a minute. That was the lady who jimmy page was into. Surely here parents need to take some kind of responsibility she was 13 at the time ?
I don't get this wth?!?
Hold up wait a minute. That was the lady who jimmy page was into. Surely here parents need to take some kind of responsibility she was 13 at the time ?
I don't get this wth?!?
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User banned (permanent): Troll account
Nothing better than a "discussion" that starts with "we will ban you if you say something we disagree with".
Glad the mod got to say their FACTS though.
Glad the mod got to say their FACTS though.
I doubt he would have had much fun living under a fascist dictatorship. Sure, he probably would have gotten by since people always needed music but he would have been extremely limited in what he could sing about. Also, the Nazis hated everything deemed not Aryan, so the music he made would have never been allowed.
If it was said while he played a character, maybe he didn't make that clear enough? Even so it's mostly a very edgy thing to say and makes me cringe, as it probably made his left-leaning listeners and fans.
If it was said while he played a character, maybe he didn't make that clear enough? Even so it's mostly a very edgy thing to say and makes me cringe, as it probably made his left-leaning listeners and fans.
The underage stuff is worrying, especially in the sense that nobody really seems that bothered when this happens, and you just know it is still happening with young artists today (maybe they justify it to themselves because the age difference isn't so many years).
But it sounds like he was a potential fascist in the same way he was a potential astronaut.
But it sounds like he was a potential fascist in the same way he was a potential astronaut.
Hey look, I'm vomiting all over the floor! So glad that garbage like this is allowed here!
When it comes to sex, i don't think Bowie had any rules. But i somehow can't imagine him being a fascist.
Then again, i don't know that much about that aspect of his life. I know his fascination for the Third Reich, when it comes to visual design.
And i can completely understand that. But no idea whether he really had fascist ideologies. He faked his way through life, always playing a part. Not fake in his talent for music but in his personalities.
Again, don't know him well enough but i keep hearing disappointing stuff about people i admired. It seem that the 70's entertainment-scene were both amazing as completely inhumane in some areas.
Then again, i don't know that much about that aspect of his life. I know his fascination for the Third Reich, when it comes to visual design.
And i can completely understand that. But no idea whether he really had fascist ideologies. He faked his way through life, always playing a part. Not fake in his talent for music but in his personalities.
Again, don't know him well enough but i keep hearing disappointing stuff about people i admired. It seem that the 70's entertainment-scene were both amazing as completely inhumane in some areas.
No.
GROSS
GROSSSS
Like your logic is gross AND bad, because it's like
Who is influencing them? Is it not influencing them when adults have sex with kids? Like, holy shit my dude
Wow this thread went full NeoGAF for a second. At this point I'm just going to assume most of my heroes have some shady shit locked in a brown envelope somewhere, and that really sucks.
User Banned (Permanent): Downplaying the sexualization of minors. This argument is not one that we are willing to entertain.
No. If they are 14-16yr old groupies it isn't pedophilia. Pedophilia is being aroused or getting into sexual contact with children that don't have developed attractions. That is an important distinction.
I mean, a normal grown up would not get into contact with a 15yr old girl, but talking about pedophilia is really talking about children that didn't develop any attraction(non native, sorry - breasts and curves is what I mean) at all.
the vast, vast majority of classic rockstars almost certainly banged teenage groupies. if you're a fan of pretty much any popular musician active prior to like, the 1990s-2000s (which isn't to say it isn't still happening even now, just not as much), go ahead and resign yourself to this fact.
Care to elaborate? A friend of mine was doing research in that topic. It's just that I know the criteria about what he told about the indicators. As I said, a normal grown up won't search contact with teens, but talking about pedophilia has indicators. A pedophile isn't aroused by 16year olds.
Ehh... you sure about that?
In definition you're right. But i hope you still have your doubts about a grown man having sex with a 14 to 15 year old.
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Fuck off into some dark corner of the earth you piece of shit.
Saying that ephebophilia isn't necessarily pedophilia just isn't such a good look.
YIKES.
Here comes the hebephilia/ephebophilia defence.
Anything under the legal age of consent is paedophilia. If you are in a position of power and you take advantage of someone of the age of consent, you can still be arrested even if the person is 16 (UK age of consent). Such as a school teacher.
I don't think the poster was trying to defend anything. It's still an important distinction
A pedophile is attracted to prebubescent children. That's a disorder that we don't no any treatment for at this point. Actual pedophiles can only be part of society if they never, ever try to go after their sexual fantasies.
What we're talking about here is people with a 'normal' sexuality who think anyone who's gone through puberty is fair game. It's reprehensible because of the power imbalance (especially if we're talking about rockstars abusing their fame) and because mentally teenagers aren't fully developed at that point, so they can't be considered to give informed consent. But it's not pedophilia
Probably not the best way to define it, imo, because that'd make the limit 14 here in Austria(in theory), when it's obviously unacceptable and fucked up beyond that.
Edit: I mean, you're right, but it's not *only* that, I mean
Yeah that's true in the definition.
I think we need to watch out with calling posters a pedo here just because he showed us the definition of what that word means. He never said it was okay to fuck a 15 year old. But the whole post kinda reads creepy. I was shocked by it at first.
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Not really since one of those is an entirely fictional concept while the other is very much a real thing
I thought it was before he moved to Berlin. Also it was his off stage persona too.
Theres a difference between an actor playing a nazi during a performance and a person continuing to play a nazi off stage. I know we say he was in character but isn't it possible that character represented a part of him and his views at the time. I mean he created the character and lived it for 2 years. Im not saying those remained his views as he clearly denounced it later in life, but he presented himself that way, it came from him.
From a strict clinical point of view it is correct?
Yeah, but a year or two before he created that character he did a soul album and became the first white guy to play on Soul Train. It's not exactly Hitleresque behaviour.