Lol, I thought you implied what I wrote was puzzling/didn't make sense.Oh, I meant I agree with that paragraph in particular! Those would be great people to do something with.
It's all good. :)
Lol, I thought you implied what I wrote was puzzling/didn't make sense.Oh, I meant I agree with that paragraph in particular! Those would be great people to do something with.
So I've tried to give bit more time to check what Moriarty has exactly said and what his views actually are besides that Tweet. Is he really denying systematic racism in America overall, or just that Asian Americans aren't the ones suffering from it? I found a Reddit thread where he was discussing this, but he really wasn't open and clear about his views and seems to just love playing the victim and being "misunderstood". He seemingly does deny that he would have insinuated that African Americans or other minorities aren't affected by systematic racism. But that tweet very easily reads like that, so why the hell he doesn't properly clarify. It shouldn't be that hard. Anybody can point me to a direction where I should look for more?
ok? that was when it was up in the air. now we've heard back from him and his response we're discussing that.
we don't know and i wish him the best, but it's a private thingI couldn't give a tuppenny fuck about all this Jones and Moriarty business quite frankly so I've skipped most of the posts in here.
Lost in between all that shite was something about Huber's brother. What's happened there? Nothing serious I hope? The way he often talks about his brother when they were growing up reminds me very much of me and my brothers. Combining Christmas presents to get consoles and what not. Good times. I hope everything is fine there.
I'm not really seeing a lot of infighting (aside from the one troll dude who got banned). And I don't think the reaction to this thing is bigger than it should be.
I speak for myself, but I'm sure others share the sentiment, the issue is less so Jones appearing on Colin's show and more so how he handled the entire thing.
The communication sucked. If all "Love & Respect" is ever going to be is a motto to hide behind to avoid confronting issues, than it's worthless.
It's because it is something a part of the EZA community strongly believes in. I can't speak for this myself since I am not a minority and some of that stuff is (I think, but maybe I am wrong about this) more prevalent in the US than it is here in Belgium/Europe, but I can understand that people strongly are opposed to anybody who is somewhat racist/sexist because they have to deal with stuff like that all the time themselves.
Yeah, but that's not what I get from his comments in Reddit. I'm not American, but here where I live Asians are very often seen as "one of the good ones" even in the eyes of blatant racists. I witnessed this just today at work. "There's nothing wrong with Asians, they have done great here. But these muslims...." and then hateful shit comes out. So in Finland this is atleast somewhat true, Asians don't face similar discrimination than people from Somalia in example. I have no idea about America and it's not something I'm questioning here.if you want some context the person who he's replying to with that tweet is in the alt right sphere. and yes, he is implying that the "model minority" stereotype that gets attached to asian americans proves that white supremacy or racism aren't reasons why other minorities in america aren't succeeding. so he's using a hurtful, racist stereotype to explain away the racism that other minorities face. as for the reason why he's being wishy washy about it, well, it's probably nice to be able to say racist things like that and have a little room to fall back on to claim that you're not racist. welcome to colin moriarty i guess.
Thanks for this. Has he ever apologized for anything? That's a really horrible and dismissive way to tell someone that they are accepted. Like just say "I support the rights of transgender people". Dude is huge fucking asshole, I really hope that in the future members of EZA consider bit more who they are associating with. Moriarty is not about L&R at all.Colin has a habit of doing something problematic and then saying he didn't do it, when he clearly did. Take a look at these tweets, for example (and the tweets he's responding to):
https://twitter.com/notaxation/status/933509563071938560
https://twitter.com/notaxation/status/933511533665042432
https://twitter.com/notaxation/status/933512708112105472
https://twitter.com/notaxation/status/933524812391112705
Uses language that is used to ridicule and mock transgender people, when the people he is speaking to try to educate him on the matter, he says that he said nothing transphobic and the problem is with them.
vocal minority.Has there been any real backlash or is this more of a vocal minority kinda of thing? The topic has destroyed this thread for the last week or so, but it's usually the same posters over and over again. I worry that we are going to reach the point where people will scout PSX pictures and see who the Allies chat with to see if they pull their patreon or support. Seems overblown for something that isn't going to be on EZA channel, site or stream.
Yeah, but that's not what I get from his comments in Reddit. I'm not American, but here where I live Asians are very often seen as "one of the good ones" even in the eyes of blatant racists. I witnessed this just today at work. "There's nothing wrong with Asians, they have done great here. But these muslims...." and then hateful shit comes out. So in Finland this is atleast somewhat true, Asians don't face similar discrimination than people from Somalia in example. I have no idea about America and it's not something I'm questioning here.
Reddit comment "If Colin is trying to argue that the success of Asian Americans means there's no systematic racism against blacks then that's pretty silly." And Colin responds "I have no idea where I ever even insinuated that, but I guess people can continue to argue against things I never said, if that's what they want to do." Also to another poster who cited the education level and unemployment rate of Nigerians in America he replied "Okay, so there's racism against Nigerians? I don't know where I denied that."
It was annoying as hell to read that discussion. Just be clear what you mean if you truly think you are being misunderstood and don't sidestep the issue. It's likely that you are right, he doesn't want to show how clueless he truly is. Either way, he isn't making himself look good. If he is intentionally playing the victim or he thinks that there is no systematic racism in the US at all.
Personally I think the worst thing that could come from this is if someone starts calling Jones racist or sexist because he appears in the same show as Colin who's said some inappropriate things in the past. I think Colin's biggest issue is his superiority complex, which isn't to diminish whatever he may have said that came across as racist or sexist, I just think a lot of his expressions stem from that mantra of his of wanting to be "right", you know, "#ColinWasRight". I don't believe for a second the man is actually racist, he just says a lot of shit before thinking, and before he knows it he'll have said something that really crosses the line for people of certain demographics. Yes, that's not the kind of figure you'd want as a public voice in gaming, but I find it to seem people are denouncing this guy as if he's some kind of devil.I imagine it would also be incredibly disappointing for the people targeted by Colin's words and actions to know Jones is going to sit there chatting away amicably on his show about video games without even denouncing Colin's past actions (which Colin never even apologized for). It's just an incredibly bad look.
vocal minority.
when GT closed, fans followed the guys over to EZA because they liked hearing them talk about video games. the personality and sincerity that would come across in GT Time, Final Bosman, Mandatory Update, and the other shows we what made people gravitate towards the people on those shows, and it was cool when glimpses of their beliefs would slide out in conversation, but no one ever clicked on a video on GT saying "I wonder what they think about [social issue]," they never had to take stances and there was no reason for them to. anyway, the Patreon shot up to 5000 people within weeks of it opening because people liked hearing them talk about video games and video game news.
now the Patreon's up to 6200something, and on that cup of jones post from last week there ~200 comments about being miffed with what Brandon's doing. so by my math those other 6000 people either don't care, or are happy with it.
I'm with this line of thinking. I watch podcasts and streams to hear about games or listen to personalities I like. I honestly could care less what individual Brandon Jones decides to speak to. I don't think people are wrong for being upset about something like this, but exactly like video games, listening to this kind of coverage is also a mini escape for me so I'm not going to get upset about who talks to who or what someone thinks about a certain subject. That's not why I'm personally here anyway.
Personally I think the worst thing that could come from this is if someone starts calling Jones racist or sexist because he appears in the same show as Colin who's said some inappropriate things in the past. I think Colin's biggest issue is his superiority complex, which isn't to diminish whatever he may have said that came across as racist or sexist, I just think a lot of his expressions stem from that mantra of his of wanting to be "right", you know, "#ColinWasRight". I don't believe for a second the man is actually racist, he just says a lot of shit before thinking, and before he knows it he'll have said something that really crosses the line for people of certain demographics. Yes, that's not the kind of figure you'd want as a public voice in gaming, but I find it to seem people are denouncing this guy as if he's some kind of devil.
Believe me, I totally get how rude or insenitive Colin can be at times, but I just don't think he has committed some sort of crime, which y'all seem to imply when you say that Jones joining him in conversation is so wrong that we have the entire EZA patreon and this hangout filled with controversial discussion over it. I'm really trying to wrap my head around this, and maybe I'm less sensitive than some others here. I just feel like this guy, stubborn as he is, toxic as he can be, can't be so bad that it somehow taints all of EZA by being in their vicinity.
Even Damiani had to assert that he is very left-winged just because people are so distrustful. I guess this is the effect Colin has in this day and age. I saw a lot of shittiness coming from him and his toxic followings trashing KF and being obnoxious, but I can't help but feel everything is blown needlessly out of proportions over a simple conversation that hasn't even happened, which might not even be controversial in its subject.
No one is forcing anyone. Everyone is exercising their freedom. There is no camp that wanted to force Brandon to do anything he didn't want.
When I was walking home from work I was thinking about the Eastern European countries and that there for sure is racism there (I didn't really know about the sexism, but I guess they go somewhat hand in hand unfortunately). I am also not saying Belgium doesn't have racism/sexism because we sure do. I guess I just don't encounter it a lot. I am a 188cm/+-6 ft 2 inch 100kg/220 lbs ish white male and I work at a University as an IT guy which has people from all over the world. Most of the people I interact with there are professors or PhD's/Postdocs. I am not saying racism/sexism doesn't exist there, but most of them are used to work with people from all around the world. On the street people usually don't start shit with me and when I had long hair (years ago now), people tended to cross the street when I was walking on the sidewalk (not sure why).I'm from Romania. If that rings a bell in any way for you you may already know how we have to deal with the same kind of stuff here in Europe as well. In general, Eastern European countries are not really viewed in a positive light. And as a woman I can tell you that sexism is something you encounter almost everywhere you go. It sucks, but that's a reality we have to deal with.
EZA was very much a place where I didn't have to deal with that kind of crap and that's also why it's very important to discuss it.
Their "refusal" huh? Maybe they don't particularly agree with this "issue" in the first place. It'd be one thing if they openly endorsed racism or something or if one of the allies started ranting on Twitter like Colin would do, to piss off or scare away fans, but this really just sounds like a neutral conversation with another well known person from the industry to me. I don't think the Allies owe it to us to apologize or cancel an appointment with Colin Moriarty because we don't like him. That's a level of control even a community should not have in my opinion.This is a direct result of the Allies refusal to clearly state their position on recent issues. It's not true for all of them and I'm not sure why anyone would question Damiani, but this is the result of not taking any position and then going on Colin's show. People are going to make assumptions, fair or not.
I didn't say they owe us anything, but people will make assumptions if you are "neutral" when you work with people with a questionable history.Their "refusal" huh? Maybe they don't particularly agree with this "issue" in the first place. It'd be one thing if they openly endorsed racism or something or if one of the allies started ranting on Twitter like Colin would do, to piss off or scare away fans, but this really just sounds like a neutral conversation with another well known person from the industry to me. I don't think the Allies owe it to us to apologize or cancel an appointment with Colin Moriarty because we don't like him. That's a level of control even a community should not have in my opinion.
I am not sure if it is the correct assumption that 6000 of them don't care or are happy with Jones going on there. A lot of them probably don't know the specifics, they don't watch Cup Of Jones (or didn't watch it yet) or they just didn't respond.vocal minority.
when GT closed, fans followed the guys over to EZA because they liked hearing them talk about video games. the personality and sincerity that would come across in GT Time, Final Bosman, Mandatory Update, and the other shows we what made people gravitate towards the people on those shows, and it was cool when glimpses of their beliefs would slide out in conversation, but no one ever clicked on a video on GT saying "I wonder what they think about [social issue]," they never had to take stances and there was no reason for them to. anyway, the Patreon shot up to 5000 people within weeks of it opening because people liked hearing them talk about video games and video game news.
now the Patreon's up to 6200something, and on that cup of jones post from last week there ~200 comments about being miffed with what Brandon's doing. so by my math those other 6000 people either don't care, or are happy with it.
When I was walking home from work I was thinking about the Eastern European countries and that there for sure is racism there (I didn't really know about the sexism, but I guess they go somewhat hand in hand unfortunately). I am also not saying Belgium doesn't have racism/sexism because we sure do. I guess I just don't encounter it a lot. I am a 188cm/+-6 ft 2 inch 100kg/220 lbs ish white male and I work at a University as an IT guy which has people from all over the world. Most of the people I interact with there are professors or PhD's/Postdocs. I am not saying racism/sexism doesn't exist there, but most of them are used to work with people from all around the world. On the street people usually don't start shit with me and when I had long hair (years ago now), people tended to cross the street when I was walking on the sidewalk (not sure why).
I can't imagine how hard some people must have it probably almost every day and it is indeed important that things like this get discussed. I still think that going on a podcast won't change the way the EZA community thinks about those issues, but if you feel you have to drop your pledge because of what Brandon did or did not talk about, it' your money and you have the right to make a statement that way (and who knows, maybe I would do the same thing if I was in your shoes).
Yes, but that's not EZA's fault. It's not because your try to see both sides of an argument or you don't react to something that you agree with what is happening.I didn't say they owe us anything, but people will make assumptions if you are "neutral" when you work with people with a questionable history.
Be that as it may. Believe me, I know this isn't all cut and dried. You have to manage your activities as a content-creator group/journalists as to not tread on anyone's toes. I personally find reactions to Colin's character in general to be blown out of proportions still but it might speak to my own life experience and perhaps lack of insight. idk. I think I've said what I could on this matter for now. I still do appreciate people speaking their minds here, however I hope in a week or two this breeze will be over.I didn't say they owe us anything, but people will make assumptions if you are "neutral" when you work with people with a questionable history.
The community that followed the allies toward the end of their tenure at GT was a fair bit smaller than EZA.vocal minority.
when GT closed, fans followed the guys over to EZA because they liked hearing them talk about video games. the personality and sincerity that would come across in GT Time, Final Bosman, Mandatory Update, and the other shows we what made people gravitate towards the people on those shows, and it was cool when glimpses of their beliefs would slide out in conversation, but no one ever clicked on a video on GT saying "I wonder what they think about [social issue]," they never had to take stances and there was no reason for them to. anyway, the Patreon shot up to 5000 people within weeks of it opening because people liked hearing them talk about video games and video game news.
now the Patreon's up to 6200something, and on that cup of jones post from last week there ~200 comments about being miffed with what Brandon's doing. so by my math those other 6000 people either don't care, or are happy with it.
Not everyone will comment on the cup of jones either though. Depends on where they comment or give feedback and if they ever do at all. I know I didn't give feedback on the EZA patron page, but did here.vocal minority.
when GT closed, fans followed the guys over to EZA because they liked hearing them talk about video games. the personality and sincerity that would come across in GT Time, Final Bosman, Mandatory Update, and the other shows we what made people gravitate towards the people on those shows, and it was cool when glimpses of their beliefs would slide out in conversation, but no one ever clicked on a video on GT saying "I wonder what they think about [social issue]," they never had to take stances and there was no reason for them to. anyway, the Patreon shot up to 5000 people within weeks of it opening because people liked hearing them talk about video games and video game news.
now the Patreon's up to 6200something, and on that cup of jones post from last week there ~200 comments about being miffed with what Brandon's doing. so by my math those other 6000 people either don't care, or are happy with it.
...but I did the mathNot everyone will comment on the cup of jones either though. Depends on where they comment or give feedback and if they ever do at all. I know I didn't give feedback on the EZA patron page, but did here.
i counted that all as "don't care"I am not sure if it is the correct assumption that 6000 of them don't care or are happy with Jones going on there. A lot of them probably don't know the specifics, they don't watch Cup Of Jones (or didn't watch it yet) or they just didn't respond.
But I am sure it is safe to say it is a vocal minority none the less (which doesn't make their points any less valid).
Generally speaking, when you have a platform you can use to denounce elements of a community that are toxic I think it's better to do so than remain silent. They can disagree and that's fine, I won't personally judge them for that if they want to stick to video games (though others certainly will). If they don't do that though, their outside actions will have a much larger impact on how they are viewed and going on Colin's show regardless of the reason is going to paint a certain picture. Like it or not Brandon is the face of EZA and his actions whether personal or not will affect the brand.Yes, but that's not EZA's fault. It's not because your try to see both sides of an argument or you don't react to something that you agree with what is happening.
But you are correct in that this is a big problem in how the internet works the last few years. You are not allowed to not take a stance on anything (I recently saw a video about this, I think it was Boogie2988).
It's not because people don't say specifically that they are opposed to racism that they are racist. To be honest, imo it is common sense that most people are opposed to racism (I hope so anyway for the sake of the world, I hope I am not wrong in that).
vocal minority.
when GT closed, fans followed the guys over to EZA because they liked hearing them talk about video games. the personality and sincerity that would come across in GT Time, Final Bosman, Mandatory Update, and the other shows we what made people gravitate towards the people on those shows, and it was cool when glimpses of their beliefs would slide out in conversation, but no one ever clicked on a video on GT saying "I wonder what they think about [social issue]," they never had to take stances and there was no reason for them to. anyway, the Patreon shot up to 5000 people within weeks of it opening because people liked hearing them talk about video games and video game news.
now the Patreon's up to 6200something, and on that cup of jones post from last week there ~200 comments about being miffed with what Brandon's doing. so by my math those other 6000 people either don't care, or are happy with it.
Eh, Boogie isn't the best person to take advice from when he's "both side"ing a racist. Like, yeah, in some cases looking at both sides can be good and enlightening and there can be a middle ground. But when one side is "being mean to people is bad" and the other side is "let me be mean to people" then taking the middle ground or both sides approach isn't a good look. Now, in this case I admit I don't know a whole lot about Colin (outside of making some sexist jokes and those tweets posted earlier and some other stuff that has been covered here and previously on GAF) so I don't really know (or remember) much about what he's said or done so I don't know if there is anything redeeming with Colin, like if he's apologised for his past actions and learnt from them (though some posters earlier wonder if he has ever said sorry for anything he's said so I don't know).Yes, but that's not EZA's fault. It's not because your try to see both sides of an argument or you don't react to something that you agree with what is happening.
But you are correct in that this is a big problem in how the internet works the last few years. You are not allowed to not take a stance on anything (I recently saw a video about this, I think it was Boogie2988).
It's not because people don't say specifically that they are opposed to racism that they are racist. To be honest, imo it is common sense that most people are opposed to racism (I hope so anyway for the sake of the world, I hope I am not wrong in that).
"It's just a vocal minority" also has a very nasty ring to it. Reminds me of the ME3 ending controversy (not to get all into that again).
The thing is, it sounds like you're excluding someone from discussion if you go "It's just a vocal minority".
That first part is pretty much what I was getting at, thanks for putting in more effort than I did.I think calling it a "vocal minority" might be incorrect. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of EZA's Patron's basically have no idea about any of this. Cup of Jones this week has just over 800 views and the last week has 1,400 views. Also, i'm sure the majority of their Patron's are lurkers or whatnot and probably do not comment on anything they do.
With that said, I largely agree that EZA has largely been apolitical. I think reading between the lines we all kind of have an understanding where they lie on the political spectrum, but that's not what they specialize on in their video game coverage. They don't ignore the issues completely by any sense, but it's not their focus. And that right there is what makes this CM thing so jarring for me. CM is basically the one person whose politics you can't separate his "gaming" coverage from. Jones is appearing with a guy who has a Patreon dominated about his political beliefs. I find a lot of the things CM has done abhorrent over the years and when faced with any type of backlash his response typically has been to double or triple down without ever admitting he did anything wrong. Jones appearing with him ever so slightly "legitimizes" his gaming coverage which sucks, in my opinion.
When I think "L&R," CM is basically the complete polar opposite of that. That we are even talking about CM and his politics in what has been a largely happy and apolitical community just is real disappointing. I'm still FAR from pulling my support/sub from them or anything rash like that, but I won't lie, this sucks.
Don't worry, I know you didn't mean it as such. I've seen people use the "vocal minority" sentence too many times before and I just think it's slightly misguided to emphasize it.Wasn't meant as an insult or anything like that, I just couldn't find a better phrase from it. I was just wondering what a general public opinion on the matter was.
Yes it's big HERE, and that may bleed over to comments on Patreon, but was thinking overall with all viewers and fans.
Yuppppppp. Agreed. Nothing more to add. There are a million issues at play here but this is the one that keeps getting pushed aside the most and it pissed me off. The allies shouldn't be working with people who actively attack our community. Funniest thing is that I don't think they are going to see any sort of noticeable boost from going on colins show so all of this drama will have no tangible gain for the allies.As I see it, the issue is not with Brandon going to another podcast and doing his thing, is not that he will turn in to a racist for collaborating with Colin and it is not that he is doing it even with people from the community expressing concerns about it, no it is not that, he is able to make his own decisions and do as he finds better.
The issue is how he pretty much didnt take a stance, it is in how he pretty much ignored how Colin sent his fans to harrass a member of the community who showed concerns about this on twitter, and how he also ignored how Colin himself either mock or enjoyed another person ripping off one of the Allies in public.
This is the issue, he is willing to ignore all of this just to get into a big platform, like Colin's show, and do a collaboration.
Colin always act the same way, offends as much people as he can and then denies that he did it intentionally. A clear example was how he quoted the tweet from the guy showing concerns about a possible collaboration. He know who his followers are and how they act, because they have done things like this before, yet he quoted the tweet without censoring the name or handle, he knew exactly what he was doing and the poor guy had to closed his account thanks to Colin.
So for anyone who think we should be ok with these kind of things, with people like that joining a community we've been part of since day one, well think again. I wont be part of that.
Which personally I'm totally fine with. I really don't have a problem with Colin like a lot of people. But either way I'll be happy for all this controversy to blow over so we can just get back to games
I understand your concern, but I don't think this will break the community. Amongst the people who are disappointed by the way things were handled, some are still patrons (probably most), and there's nothing wrong with either reaction. Even the people who are happy or fine with the situation, 99% of the posts are respected and don't lead to bickering. The problem is when people come in and dismiss other people's feelings on the matter simply because it isn't important to them, or come in to gloat and antagonise the community. That was never going to lead to anything productive.
Regarding the mood of the thread, I think trying to force the conversation on to a different topic will only make people dwell on the issue longer. Last week I noticed that when people tried to urge others to change the topic, that only led to more tense posts. When people naturally steered the conversation to other topics through their own posts, that was a lot more effective. I would suggest the same here again.
Colin has a habit of doing something problematic and then saying he didn't do it, when he clearly did. Take a look at these tweets, for example (and the tweets he's responding to):
https://twitter.com/notaxation/status/933509563071938560
https://twitter.com/notaxation/status/933511533665042432
https://twitter.com/notaxation/status/933512708112105472
https://twitter.com/notaxation/status/933524812391112705
Uses language that is used to ridicule and mock transgender people, when the people he is speaking to try to educate him on the matter, he says that he said nothing transphobic and the problem is with them.
As I see it, the issue is not with Brandon going to another podcast and doing his thing, is not that he will turn in to a racist for collaborating with Colin and it is not that he is doing it even with people from the community expressing concerns about it, no it is not that, he is able to make his own decisions and do as he finds better.
The issue is how he pretty much didnt take a stance, it is in how he pretty much ignored how Colin sent his fans to harrass a member of the community who showed concerns about this on twitter, and how he also ignored how Colin himself either mock or enjoyed another person ripping off one of the Allies in public.
This is the issue, he is willing to ignore all of this just to get into a big platform, like Colin's show, and do a collaboration.
Colin always act the same way, offends as much people as he can and then denies that he did it intentionally. A clear example was how he quoted the tweet from the guy showing concerns about a possible collaboration. He know who his followers are and how they act, because they have done things like this before, yet he quoted the tweet without censoring the name or handle, he knew exactly what he was doing and the poor guy had to closed his account thanks to Colin.
So for anyone who think we should be ok with these kind of things, with people like that joining a community we've been part of since day one, well think again. I wont be part of that.
If jones was doing this for a big audience he could have done a lot better than ColinThis is the biggie. It feels like Jones is throwing Allies under the bus for a shot at a big audience.
It is frustrating to read indead. That said, while I agree he is wrong, It seems to me he at least tried to have a conversation and I am not sure he wanted to attack anyone in those 4 posts. He should probably learn to phrase his thoughts better for sure as the first part of the first one doesn't come over well at all. How I read the last one is him getting angry about not being able to make himself understood like he wants to.I haven't actually read his tweets in a while and that twitter thread is unbelievably frustrating to go through. I'm legitimately disappointed that Brandon reads those comments of his and then thinks Colin is worth anybody's time. The person speaking with Colin was being as respectable and informative as possible and Colin's massive ego and disgusting lack of empathy shows its face in every written exchange and he just behaves like an absolute piece of shit. The dude just refuses to listen.
C'mon Brandon...
If jones was doing this for a big audience he could have done a lot better than Colin
Mole stream was good fun, I like the idea of multiple moles, but also think no mole's would be fun too, with them not knowing it.
It is frustrating to read indead. That said, while I agree he is wrong, It seems to me he at least tried to have a conversation and I am not sure he wanted to attack anyone in those 4 posts. He should probably learn to phrase his thoughts better for sure as the first part of the first one doesn't come over well at all. How I read the last one is him getting angry about not being able to make himself understood like he wants to.
He shouldn't do this and he probably should have stayed out of Brandon's post to begin with, but I am not 100% sure he meant harm (I can't be sure of course, maybe he did, I don't know him).
Again, I am not defending his behavior, but it is possible it comes over worse than he means it to be.
I hope I am not getting in too deep as I don't know a lot about it myself and don't know the correct terms/way of saying this so I hope nobody feels attacked (and I don't make too much of an ass of myself): I myself am not always sure how I should address some people of the LGBTQ community/nonbinary people. To be honest, I don't think I have seen anything about this before joining this community, so I am quite new to it.
It makes it difficult to address people sometimes because I am not sure how they want me to address them. I am not saying this is wrong to want this (I don't mind doing so either), but for somebody who isn't used to that, it is difficult to do the right thing.
I want to learn more about this and I have seen some posts by Noah pointing to some websites and read them a bit, but still it is difficult to remember for me. It is quite possible it is the same for other people who aren't used to the prenouns.
Again, I hope I didn't offend anyone, If I did, let me know what I did wrong so I can learn. It is honestly something I was pondering over a few times before.
Yeah, ok. There is no excuse for that type of reaction. I didn't see the beginning of that thread, just the few posts that were posted here.The problem is that that conversation started with this:
https://twitter.com/gray_north/status/933495092874067968
So he was already aware that his behaviour was offensive. That individual and one other person went into detail to explain why that kind of behaviour (comparing nonbinary genders to inanimate objects) is transphobic and hurtful to nonbinary people. He then went on to say "Cool. I think you should be able to identify as an oak tree if that's what makes you happy. Or a stop sign. Or a woman." If you don't think Colin knows what the impact of his words are here, you're basically saying he is unable to pick up on social cues and has no reading comprehension, because he was literally just told that was offensive, and yet he did it again anyway. Because he doesn't care. If someone was talking to a minority and they explained how a certain phrase or word is used in a racist way against them, would any empathetic and decent person immediately use that word against them? He was asked to listen to transgender people, and basically just dismissed them instead. This is why people say that dialogue with Colin goes nowhere.
Yeah, ok. There is no excuse for that type of reaction. I didn't see the beginning of that thread, just the few posts that were posted here.
That's not really a way to react when you obviously hurt someones feelings.
I 100 % agree with this comment. Nothing more to say. Do we know for sure that no one posted this ( EZA fan had to close account due to CM fan-base abuse) to Brandon's Twitter and or/messaged him about this specifically on Patreon?This is the biggie. It feels like Jones is throwing Allies under the bus for a shot at a different audience.