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The Satanic Temple says Netflix's 'Sabrina' stole Baphomet statue design, is 'taking legal action'
- Thread starter lupianwolf
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Ha! I think Netflix had better settle.They're suing because it's their design
This is the Satanic temples design
This is Sabrina's
Don't know, don't care.
All I know is the loser who got his selfish ass beat down after a failed coup = evil.
That mystic pacifist hippie who let himself get taken and executed = good.
Sauron = evil.
Gandalf = good.
Voldemort = evil.
Neville = good.
Immortan Joe = evil.
Nux = mediocre.
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I don't think "Christians" is a registered organisation nor have they copyrighted Jesus on the cross
The Satanic Temple isn't actually associated with satanic beliefs even if the name might suggest it does. They make this clear in other ways. Having their statue in a satanic show may make it seem otherwise and damage their reputation.
So is the temple's contention that people watching Sabrina would see that statue, somehow know already that it has an association with the temple, and thus think the temple is like whatever the show depicts?
Wouldn't that entail already knowing the statue?
This whole thing seems more like it'll actually get more eyes on the temple than if the, ahem, background set object was just left without having attention called to it by them.
Wouldn't that entail already knowing the statue?
This whole thing seems more like it'll actually get more eyes on the temple than if the, ahem, background set object was just left without having attention called to it by them.
History* is written by the victors.
*It's not actually history
Yeah but you ever read (or watched/played, whatever) a story where you felt like the so-called good guy was actually an asshole in the wrong, and/or the villain was in the right? That's basically the Biblical God and Satan for a lot of us.
Yeah, no shit.
Edit: too crass. You make it seem like I believe any of this shit.
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A lot of people here seem simultaneously angered by and unfamiliar with the Satanic Temple. They're effectively an activist group that uses people's strong negative reactions to the name 'Satan' to protest and/or mess with conservative policies.
Like arguing against anti-abortion laws:
And challenging the distribution of religious materials in public schools:
Or mocking the Westboro Baptist Church and the concept of after-death baptisms:
They even endorsed Rick Scott to try and hurt his chances of re-election:
Also, they are not the Church of Satan. That is a dumber, way less awesome organization with zero connection with TST.
Like arguing against anti-abortion laws:
And challenging the distribution of religious materials in public schools:
Or mocking the Westboro Baptist Church and the concept of after-death baptisms:
They even endorsed Rick Scott to try and hurt his chances of re-election:
Also, they are not the Church of Satan. That is a dumber, way less awesome organization with zero connection with TST.
I thought Satan of all biblical figures would be cool with some copyright infringement/cultural appropriation
But eh, satanism is probably an actual thing so I see no reason to fuck them over on this. kinda conflicted on it (satan figure has been used enough and influences anyone enough to the point where I'd say satan itself is anybody's business at this point)
But eh, satanism is probably an actual thing so I see no reason to fuck them over on this. kinda conflicted on it (satan figure has been used enough and influences anyone enough to the point where I'd say satan itself is anybody's business at this point)
Sure, but that's not really a stretch. Lots of people have incomplete information about the Satanic Temple. The Temple doesn't want this rip-off of their copyright becoming part of people's impression of the Temple.
But the Temple's reasoning isn't really relevant to the validity of copyright infringement claim. They can assert copyright for no reason at all other than that they can. The motivation to break association with the show just explains why they want to fight this instead of, say, granting Netflix a license.
This was one of my favorite things about the show, they went HAM with the Satanism, and actually did it very accurately and respectfully.
A) you can't have both B) you don't understand what satanism actually is and should probably read the thread because people have explained it multiple times
Okay I take it back, THIS is the most ignorant post in the thread lol
Yeah, that's what I felt when I started to study gnosticism. Come to think of it, gnosticism has a lot in common with the way Satan is described in the Satanic Temple and in Sabrina (even if it's a bit more complicated in the show :p). Like, the snake in the garden of Eden actually saved Eve by encouraging her to obtain knowledge and free will instead of staying a dumb slave forever.
Check the OP or another example in one of the first pages. The issue here is that the show uses a very specific statue design.
Thanks.
I guess it'd be a dick move of them to keep using it, besides being copyright infringement.
Yeah at first when I read the news I thought it was a joke but they really do have a point, it's their statue, no doubt.
I was expecting something much more "evil". This sounds quite reasonable to me. But they have to lose that statue and change the name.
If a christian comes out right now and makes a christ on a cross statue, they'll own the copyright for that specific statue.
He's probably thinking of LaVeyan Satanism.
I would have expected these guys to be of the "nothing is true, everything is permitted" sort.
man I fucking love the Satanic Temple, their commandments are the best thing I've ever read
GIVE THEM ALL THE MONEY NETFLIX YOU C O W A R D S
GIVE THEM ALL THE MONEY NETFLIX YOU C O W A R D S
Yeah TST is great, my favorite was the wedding cake issue where a store owner refused to make a homosexual couple a cake for their wedding, so TST commissioned them to make a cake celebrating Satan to see if the store owner would deny TST their religious rights.
https://www.westword.com/news/denve...oversy-and-satanic-temple-satan-cakes-9537874
https://www.westword.com/news/denve...oversy-and-satanic-temple-satan-cakes-9537874
Because the bible, as we all know, is such a source of rationality in the world, am i right?
Anyway i dont think thats the view of satanists at all. I though they wers atheists looking for attention?
Seeing their official creed I'd say the world would be a hell of a better place if there were more of them and less of the more radicalized monotheists on this planet.
wait I thought these guys were the Church of Satan with these awesome tenets?:
- Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
- Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
- When in another's lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
- If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
- Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
- Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
- Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
- Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
- Do not harm little children.
- Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
- When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
Given the trend of depicting God as an incompetent, bigoted demiurge along the lines of his Old Testament characterization in anime and games I'm kinda surprised there aren't more people itt willing to consider something in opposition to that as being not-inherently-evil by modern standards. YHVH is basically Trump.
I'm only a couple episodes in but I'm kinda disappointed Sabrina seems to just go with the cliche "dark lord" patriarch interpretation of Satan instead of something like MegaTen's Lucifer.
I'm only a couple episodes in but I'm kinda disappointed Sabrina seems to just go with the cliche "dark lord" patriarch interpretation of Satan instead of something like MegaTen's Lucifer.
It's actually, in spirit, pretty much what Jesus wanted you to do.
The way it has appropiated Satan is pretty great too, since their principles are actually about empathy and reasoning. It's kind of like the opposite of priests being pedophiles while preaching about good.
The Satanic Temple is not affiliated with the Church of Satan. Personally I prefer the ST's tenets over the CoS's. Most of the CoS's list is fine, but some are petty and hyperbolic (#4 and #11, "destroy them" is just... lol sure, tough guy) or flat-out stupid (#7).
Case got settled out of court.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/11/22/entertainment/satanic-temple-netflix-lawsuit-scli-intl/index.html
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/11/22/entertainment/satanic-temple-netflix-lawsuit-scli-intl/index.html
Interesting. I wonder if Netflix offered them a fat cheque. Probably not the $50 mil. they asked for, but enough to satisfy them + the credits thing.
It was probably closer to $50k. Plus the credit.
That case was never going to land anywhere near 50M in court.
Which Netflix will auto skip for you so you'll never have to see them.
lmao netflix you clowns
imagine having to credit the satanic temple in your show because you thought you could rip 'em off
I went to a satanic ritual a few weeks ago just to see what it was all about. All that happened during the ritual is people ate crackers and stomped on a figurine of Jesus who was tied to a cross...
I'm not one for religion in the first place..but at least the imagery was interesting of everyone around.
On Facebook this was a huge deal.
"What if Jesus was mocked the same way that our statue was"
Which I pointed out Southpark and then was banned from their discussion.
I'm not one for religion in the first place..but at least the imagery was interesting of everyone around.
On Facebook this was a huge deal.
"What if Jesus was mocked the same way that our statue was"
Which I pointed out Southpark and then was banned from their discussion.
That's a decent outcome. ST got to make some positive mission statements that are getting well viewed, maybe received some cash and the credits.
Glad Crowley got a name drop in regards to Baphomet. The article could have quickly mentioned Liber A'ash for some clarity.
On behalf of TST (but not really cus members aren't allowed to talk on their behalf) -- yaaaaaay.
that's that
that's that
If it's a specific design that someone has copyrighted, sure. This isn't just Satanic Temple suing for just any goat-Satan-statue, it's their design.
Baphomet is a fake goat deity that only exists because the Knights Templar started incorporating elements of Islam into their belief system and some dipwad overhead "Mohammed" as "Baphomet" and suddenly they were being accused of worshipping this goat that doesn't exist in any mythology ever and then 1000 years later Satanists were like o shit the ~~aesthetic of it all and decided to act as though Baphomet was ever a real thing. Yeah plagiarising the statue is shit but "emotional distress" lol cmon brehs
Well can they spread awareness without dressing, and acting lame.