And it's one of the reasons why I always buy games in their physical format if available.
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Reddit user:"Sony Banned me for a common nickname in my culture."
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And it's one of the reasons why I always buy games in their physical format if available.
That's my thoughts too. It's disgusting that Sony are enforcing this kind of anti-consumer policy.
"part of the story we are not hearing like usual", heh, I've been noticing this phrase quite often in Sony related threads when they screw their consumers over, it's super amusing.
Are you trying to say that all of these Arab people who were banned for having names like Jihad and others were lying? To what end if I may ask?
Listen, it's clear no malice was intended here but - as a Jewish person not from the US - I don't want to play with people with "kike" in their name and wonder if they're neo-nazis or just Latin/Spanish. I don't think what Sony did here is right - As I said before, they should let the poor guy change his PSN name.
But contrary to what some are saying here - This hate-term is very much alive and kicking. Simply claiming it's "cultural imperialism" is very much ignoring reality for Jewish people.
I knew before entering that it was going to be about Kike, I am Kike as well since I have a memory everyone in my family and friends has called me that (Name is Enrique) and it's as common as calling someone named Francisco "Paco" in Spanish speaking countries.
First time I knew it was a bad word in English was when I was little and tried to name my characters in games Kike and it wouldn't let me. Now I live in Canada and everyone still calls me Kike (Pronounce Kee - k) even my co-wrorkers since the pronunciation is different from the English word it doesn't raise any red flags.
Sony should have flat out never allowed the creation of your handle in the first place, they should also understand that America=/=World and they should allow it to change it, you did nothing wrong.
Son of famous Spanish singer for example:
First time I knew it was a bad word in English was when I was little and tried to name my characters in games Kike and it wouldn't let me. Now I live in Canada and everyone still calls me Kike (Pronounce Kee - k) even my co-wrorkers since the pronunciation is different from the English word it doesn't raise any red flags.
Sony should have flat out never allowed the creation of your handle in the first place, they should also understand that America=/=World and they should allow it to change it, you did nothing wrong.
Can be written both ways, mine was always "Kike"
Son of famous Spanish singer for example:
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User Banned (1 Month): repeated dismissal of concerns regarding antisemitism.
You just illustrated yourself that YOU don't want to ask yourself , so bearing in mind that your buble is not all that there is, is too much to ask to YOU ...
And that has a name cultural imperialism . End of the conversation here.
Once again there is a reason why you regionalize your moderation efforts.
I have a friend which passes up by the same problems when he registered his name around the networks he's in.
His name is Fagner, a pretty common name in Brazil, and generally puts "Fagner1985" on it.
His name is Fagner, a pretty common name in Brazil, and generally puts "Fagner1985" on it.
I'm pretty sure Sony has reversed these kind of things before. I saw this on my Google news feed first I guess pushsquare made an article. Hopefully it all checks out and gets reversed. Sucks it's strick at times but hopefully it all works out for you.
Unrelated but I wonder what they did with the guy I reported for using a porn website as his profile cover image.
Unrelated but I wonder what they did with the guy I reported for using a porn website as his profile cover image.
Yet another case of big boy Sony bullying their powerless customers.
Only solution in cases like this is to make a lot of noise on social networks, hoping famous accounts or news sites will pick the story up and make Sony look bad, forcing them to do the right thing to save face.
Good luck man, it sucks they can arbitrarily lock you out of all your purchases.
Only solution in cases like this is to make a lot of noise on social networks, hoping famous accounts or news sites will pick the story up and make Sony look bad, forcing them to do the right thing to save face.
Good luck man, it sucks they can arbitrarily lock you out of all your purchases.
Never thought I'd find something looking worse than Gamefaqs on mobile but, well there it is.
1. You're ignoring the fact that the world can no longer go back to seperate villages. If trolls know they can create accounts with the word "KilltheKikes" in Mexico, they'll do that.
2. Someone with the word "kike" in their name cannot be barred from playing online can he? There's a chance we'll run into each other, and then I'll have to ask myself "Hmm. Is that an alt-right troll or just some guy?" That's a very uncomfortable situation. And again, this is not some archaic term, it's used by the alt-right and neo-nazis constantly.
So yeah, sorry, but there's no single solution here, but I know that I'll never get used to seeing the word "kike" as something neutral.
That's on you.
kike is not even pronounced the same as the slur, and i bet there are neo nazis named Enrique. But, does that justify removing the short for Enrique to every Enrique? No.
What if a little kid wants to name his account "kike2008"?
It's a slippery slope
They all fall under North America. There has to be some level of centralization unless you think every country should be sectored off from each other.
Obviously I dont agree with Sony at all on the handling of this but its fucking stupid to think that because something isn't offensive in your country its fair game for the rest of the world when everything is globally connected. That's dumb as hell. There obviously has to be rules and restrictions in place.
How is pronunciation supposed to come across via text? For me, when I see the word "kike" my initial reaction would be negative, at least as long as the word is used a slur against me :\
EDIT: Also, seriously? "That's on me"? Are you seriously going with the "you choose to get offended"?
Can you, at the very least, acknowledge the complexity of the situation and that your solution is a slippery slope as well? (What's the point of blocking hateful slurs if it'd be that easy to bypass it?)
Isn't this a slippery slope? what if other non english speaking countries have a very offensive word that happens to be harmless in the English language? should they push for the banning of the word too? "Mariko/Marico" while a common name in Japanese is a slur in Venezuela (Equivalent of Fag) should this name/word be banned?
I agree with you. And for reference, what you are arguing is not a slippery slope. It's entirely reasonable. Slippery slope arguments are the most disingenous bullshit ever.
You know, because it's kike and not... The slur that is written with a "y" between the K?
Should they ban the Spanish word "negro", too?
The world is a big place, you better not come to Latín América, because you'll hear Kike a lot.
Yes very much so on him I mean look at his last answer to me he doubles down on telling me he don't care ...
Again dude between Spanish speakers the word NEVER had that connotation and meaning and NEVER will have that connotation and meaning so when Spanish speaking players are playing amongst them on the parts of the infrastructure that's made for them , why should they have to ban the word outright ? Because it makes you the not even present english speaking jewish player , that is not even on the same server in the same lobby.
Once again this is why you regionalize your infrastructure and your moderation efforts. Other companies have been doing it in a regionalized fashion for years precisely to avoid that kind of stories , and it's only now when some decide to globalize and put everyone under the same banner that all of a sudden problems crop up ...
Once again this is cultural imperialistic attitudes at work and this needs to be called out.
In Dofus and Wakfu , french speaking servers are moderated with french speaking slurs kept in mind. Spanish ones , with the spanish problems kept in mind. And the servers known as Remington servers that are in english everybody HAS to speak english and follow english speaking rules.
Why is Remington the least populated class of servers ? Maybe because very few english speakers plays the game , and on the other hand why are the french , korean , japanese , spanish speaking servers packed to the brim , maybe because the moderation is done in accordance to the local sensibilities , and makes the community lively and very positive.
Stop playing the "pascal's wager" game , because there is a third solution and that third solution has been in use for ages now .
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Not really.
"It's an insult in English so everyone should just accept it and fuck off. Even those who don't speak English"
That countries have different languages should be definitely taken into account, it's not just a question of different regional "slang", but outright different words with unrelated meanings incidentally having the same signifier
Oh fuck off. Nobody should ever use that word.
Worst fucking posts on this whole fucking forum.
No it's not slippery slope. There are already banned words and phrases in about every portal that allows online names. Disallowing certain names or words on the basis that these are global servers so name selection will be judged based on a standard level of scrutiny (which they cam clearly define and outline) to make online interacrions as pleasant for our user as possible is not the world burning.
I hate this argument, the actual fall out of these policies in terms of impact is so minimal if appropriately handled. Literally all Sony has to do is say the name needs to be changed. You can rejoin online interactions after it is changed.
PSN is a global service and as such I find this justifiable, even if I understand the point the user is trying to make.
Thanksfully he's agreed to change his username if he gets it back.
But about the part in bold, I have a funny anecdote highlighting that even after informing people of the cultural differences, you might want to just allow the word if it's not an egregious case.
I remember in Transformice, lots of english speakers were complaining because "CU" (short for "see you") was treated as a bad word and was being censored on the international servers.
The reason was that in french, "cul" means "ass" (and the "L" is silent), and that the company making the game was French.
Thanksfully that was an edge case for a word that wasn't much offensive.
Or, how about regionalizing moderation efforts and stop using your language as an "international moderation tool"
I don't get why you think I am making this point purely about English. It largely should apply across the board.
Is the point you are trying to make that if a word is a racial slur in one language amd not the other we as a whole should just ignore it
For the guy that got banned 0% chance? Not sure you posted in the right thread?
A lot of people don't register to their own region. I have a Japanese account and I've never been to Japan.
Because you are. Kike in Spanish means another thing entirely.
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Sorry this happened to you op. This is why physical games can be an advantage in situations like this.
Sorry this happened to you op. This is why physical games can be an advantage in situations like this.
What are these "standard level of scrutiny" based on? because like you say in this age of Global Servers it seems to me that they are only banning offensive handlers for english speakers.
How do you know i'm not there? Do you only ever play with Spanish speakers? PSN is a global service, it's very possible me and that particular player will cross path while playing online, isn't it?
And BTW, as I said - I'm not a native English speaker. I live in Israel and I speak Hebrew - But online, I'll obviously use English.
My point is that if the user is in Mexico it should be checked first what does the word mean in a Spanish context instead of submitting everything by default to the American rule and going with a hammer
Yep very much and therefore more and more not so known by english speakers slurs and other unsavoury shit in French and Spanish gets used by far right and neo nazis ass hats on PSN and XBOX live and get away with it ...
The conversation may be about this specific word but the principle should be across the board. But the entire argument being made is it means something different here so its fine. How many instances of words is this to apply to that this is a slippery slope?
Wow, I can't believe an offensive name is an immediate permanent ban, especially on (what I assume to be) a first offense. That's nuts.
Dude, is a fucking name (well, diminutive) in spanish. What do you want us to do? To ban Enrique, Kike and Quique outright?
I'm sorry if out of here is an offensive slur to use agaisnt jewish people, but over here is.just.a.name
So, ok, they ban kike. What's next? They start banning "negro" too. And other words from other languages that are only offensive in English.
That's the slippery slope.
That's why moderation should be regionalized.
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