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Schreckstoff

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Unless the kid was coerced into the role/performing naked I don't see an issue.

Obviously a touchy subject but from the context it seems important to the story and not for titillation
 

bulbasort

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Yet another movie with a cis actor playing a trans character, and centered around trans suffering. Yeah, no thanks.
 

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Keasar

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Not sure even here in Norway this would have made it uncensored to theaters ?

We only banned one movie since 1980 and that was Battle Royale
Have you ever seen a movie based on the books by Astrid Lindgren? Ronja Robber's Daughter? Madicken?

They feature scenes like that of children bathing in lakes etc.

Yet another movie with a cis actor playing a trans character, and centered around trans suffering. Yeah, no thanks.
That is a bit disappointing.
 
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rjinaz

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Definitely a touchy subject, just reading through the thread opinions vary greatly. I can see why they made this decision. Sometimes it's just not worth the hassle inviting controversy when it can be easily avoided, from a business perspective.
 

Ephonk

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Because under the law in most countries showing sex organs of a minor, regardless of context is a crime under child pornography laws.
Simple nudity isn't illegal in most of Europe.
Nudity + sexual context is a totally different subject, but quite a lot of european movies contain nudity, even of minors.
 

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Simple nudity isn't illegal in most of Europe.
Nudity + sexual context is a totally different subject, but quite a lot of european movies contain nudity, even of minors.

And in many countries any naked imagery of underage children is considered illegal. I sure as shit wouldnt want to watch this movie with an underage actor full frontal naked / naked at all.
 
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The person whose life this is based on, doesn't care. She finds the chosen actor perfect to represent her life.
Not to mention the actor had to be a good dancer, besides all the other requirements (being a good actor, not having a fully masculine/adult body, etc). Lukas Dhont auditioned both girls and boys for the role but felt like Victor Poster was the best choice
 

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Simple nudity isn't illegal in most of Europe.
Nudity + sexual context is a totally different subject, but quite a lot of european movies contain nudity, even of minors.

Sometimes you may see nudity of children at young ages like under 8~9 (or literal babies being naked in movies). It becomes a bit more controversial when you reach anything around the ages of puberty starting, which is usually 11~13.

The scene where there is full frontal nudity not being sexual lessens some of the concern here, but in many instances films that want to depict nudity/sexualisation around minors in their teens tend to use actors who are of legal age. It's not hard to make an 18 year old look a few years younger. As I mentioned earlier in this topic Julia Garner played a 15 year old in The Americans. I was convinced. She was styled both in dress and makeup/hair to look like a young teen.

Obviously teens can act in teen movies where there is romance/sex plots and topics, as well as things like underage alcohol/drug use. They do all the time. Literal full frontal nudity is a step further from the norm though.

As the scene wasn't sexualized I'm backing off a bit, but I'm not necessarily going to chastize everyone a little uncomfortable as "Americans being prude" with full nudity of a minor when the actor literally was a minor.

Movies can handle a whole range of things that are illegal/uncomfortable in real life, via acting, but ethical concerns around literal minors will always be relevant within acting. Especially when you are involving nudity/exposure on the set.
 

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Sometimes you may see nudity of children at young ages like under 8~9 (or literal babies being naked in movies). It becomes a bit more controversial when you reach anything around the ages of puberty starting, which is usually 11~13.

The scene where there is full frontal nudity not being sexual lessens some of the concern here, but in many instances films that want to depict nudity/sexualisation around minors in their teens tend to use actors who are of legal age. It's not hard to make an 18 year old look a few years younger. As I mentioned earlier in this topic Julia Garner played a 15 year old in The Americans. I was convinced. She was styled both in dress and makeup/hair to look like a young teen.

As the scene wasn't sexualized I'm backing off a bit, but I'm not necessarily going to chastize everyone a little uncomfortable as "Americans being prude" with full nudity of a minor when the actor literally was a minor.

Movies can handle a whole range of things that are illegal/uncomfortable in real life, via acting, but ethical concerns around literal minors will always be relevant within acting. Especially when you are involving nudity/exposure on the set.


I think an issue with this movie is that there are parts of the film that deal with sex in relation to the character.

This can infere the tone of the movie to be sexual (not entirely of course) and all scenes of nudity can be coloured as such (for right or wrong).


I hope the above made sense.
 

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Yet another movie with a cis actor playing a trans character, and centered around trans suffering. Yeah, no thanks.
From the NPR review:

Polster's performance is wise beyond his years, especially as Lara becomes impatient with being in-transition. The performance meshes with the director's insistence on playing Lara's increasingly desperate impatience in context: Lara's father is wholly supportive. So are doctors, shrinks, school officials, fellow dancers. In fact, where most queer films are about external conflicts and prejudice, Lara's biggest conflict is with what she sees in the mirror. Which means she's not seeing what we see.

That's also what makes the mirror scene(s) where she is alone in her room so important.
 

bulbasort

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The person whose life this is based on, doesn't care. She finds the chosen actor perfect to represent her life.
She didn't say that, at least not in any English interviews/articles I can find. The director said "We saw some trans girls, but I immediately felt that the responsibility to film them, to portray them in this story, which is very close to them, in a moment in their lives where they are going through this, where they are transforming – it was a responsibility that I couldn't take on." If he can't handle working with actual trans people, he shouldn't be making the movie.
 

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I think an issue with this movie is that there are parts of the film that deal with sex in relation to the character.

This can infere the tone of the movie to be sexual (not entirely of course) and all scenes of nudity can be coloured as such (for right or wrong).

Yeah if you take something like Valerie and Her Week of Wonders, there are nude scenes involving the young protagonist, but they're not sex scenes. They are, nonetheless, sexual, because the whole film is about the experience of reaching sexual maturity. Most artistic nudes have some degree of eroticism, too. Doesn't mean they're porn.
 

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Many of whom came out in the 70's things were kind of different back then.
Anywhere from the 70's all the way to the 90's really. :P

And I don't think the consensus has changed really, children still bathe naked on the beaches and run around naked in their backyards. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Swedish film hasn't changed more either in that aspect, though I can't say as I haven't seen many in the past years. Those old films are still shown on TV here without any editing as far as I've heard.
 

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I think an issue with this movie is that there are parts of the film that deal with sex in relation to the character.

This can infere the tone of the movie to be sexual (not entirely of course) and all scenes of nudity can be coloured as such (for right or wrong).


I hope the above made sense.

The context of the scene isn't sexualized by its intent though, it seems to be about looking in the mirror at ones body.

It's not quite on the level of this

The 1980 film Children's Island (Barnens ö) was based on the life of an 11-year-old boy at the onset of puberty. The movie was widely praised in Sweden winning a slew of awards. It was directed by Kay Pollack, who later went on to make As It Is In Heaven.

But the scenes in Children's Island featuring full frontal nudity of the young boy have left the Australian Federal Police crying foul, reported the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper. The police applied to Australia's Classification Review Board, which then agreed to refuse classification for the film, a move that effectively means the film is banned nationwide.

The board ruled that a 49-second sequence showing the boy masturbating "was likely to cause offence to a reasonable adult". The film also features a close-up of the boy's erect penis, as well as several scenes where he poses nude.

Even if you want to handle themes present in such a movie, no, one shouldn't be showing an actor who was literally 11~12 at the time masturbating/having an erect penis.

There's properly handling themes with minors in a movie and then there is thinking the audience needs to literally see something like the above without tasteful directing simply implying it.
 

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Yeah if you take something like Valerie and Her Week of Wonders, there are nude scenes involving the young protagonist, but they're not sex scenes. They are, nonetheless, sexual, because the whole film is about the experience of reaching sexual maturity. Most artistic nudes have some degree of eroticism, too. Doesn't mean they're porn.

I agree but the law rarely deals in the finer details and I suppose the protection of children is were it is forgiveable for such a blanket approach.
 

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Simple nudity isn't illegal in most of Europe.
Nudity + sexual context is a totally different subject, but quite a lot of european movies contain nudity, even of minors.
I don't think it's illegal here either. There has been the occasional art exhibition which included nude photography of minors, though obviously controversal.

From a practical matter, I think the ratings board would kill this thing dead in theaters. Also, it might not have been immediately clear if the additional non-nude sex scene would cause legal issues, even for the streaming service. Even though it's seperate, you have nudity with a minor, and sexual acts with a minor in the same film.

The recent #metoo stuff shining a light on sexual abuse of actors and actresses also doesn't make it any easier to accept.
 

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It's super weird reading so many people argue in favor of seeing a nude minor. I can't help but see shades of Amir0x, who's posts generated similar feeling of ick as I read them before he was eventually outed as a pedo.

Like, it's ok not to see a 15yr old's dick. What an odd thing to argue in favor of, no matter the context.
 

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It's super weird reading so many people argue in favor of seeing a nude minor. I can't help but see shades of Amir0x, who's posts generated similar feeling of ick as I read them before he was eventually outed as a pedo.

Like, it's ok not to see a 15yr old's dick. What an odd thing to argue in favor of, no matter the context.

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Some of you folks and your hang-ups about underage nudity. I guess you're calling for Peter Greenaway's head, too?
 

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It's super weird reading so many people argue in favor of seeing a nude minor. I can't help but see shades of Amir0x, who's posts generated similar feeling of ick as I read them before he was eventually outed as a pedo.

Like, it's ok not to see a 15yr old's dick. What an odd thing to argue in favor of, no matter the context.
You basically just called your fellow posters pedophiles.
 

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It's super weird reading so many people argue in favor of seeing a nude minor. I can't help but see shades of Amir0x, who's posts generated similar feeling of ick as I read them before he was eventually outed as a pedo.

Like, it's ok not to see a 15yr old's dick. What an odd thing to argue in favor of, no matter the context.
Shaming people into being a pedophile for defending an excellent movie that isn't really sexual at all just because it has some nude in it is one way to stop the conversation.
The movie won the Camera d'Or in Cannes, and is an official selection for the Academy Awards as best foreign film. You respond like this is some snuff movie that contains erotic child nudity. Maybe you should see it first before judging it.

I saw this in the cinema, with my girlfriend and 2 other friends, with normal disney movies playing in the room next to it.
But like i said, great way to stop the conversation.

Girl won the Caméra d'Or, which is basically the award for best first feature-length movie, though. The Palme d'Or was won by Hirokazu Kore-Eda's Shoplifters.
Right, edited, thanks!
 
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Shaming people into being a pedophile for defending an excellent movie that isn't really sexual at all just because it has some nude in it is one way to stop the conversation.

I saw this in the cinema, with my girlfriend and 2 other friends, with normal disney movies playing in the room next to it.
But like i said, great way to stop the conversation.

The movie won the Palm d'Or in Cannes, and is an official selection for the Academy Awards as best foreign film. You respond like this is some snuff movie that contains erotic child nudity. Maybe you should see it first before judging it.
Girl won the Caméra d'Or at the "Un certain regard" competition (not the main/'official' competition) which is basically the award for best first feature-length movie, though. The Palme d'Or was won by Hirokazu Kore-Eda's Shoplifters.

Edit: no problem!
 

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Shaming people into being a pedophile for defending an excellent movie that isn't really sexual at all just because it has some nude in it is one way to stop the conversation.

I saw this in the cinema, with my girlfriend and 2 other friends, with normal disney movies playing in the room next to it.
But like i said, great way to stop the conversation.

The movie won the Palm d'Or in Cannes, and is an official selection for the Academy Awards as best foreign film. You respond like this is some snuff movie that contains erotic child nudity. Maybe you should see it first before judging it.
Woah let's get this checked. People are defending a scene in the movie. Another thing that should be noted is that nobody calling out the quality of the film or saying it is bad. I do see people saying that won't see this movie because mionors body parts will be censored in theater. Netflix is still showing the original version.

now, these are comments in this thread you should be focusing on "What a way to kill my interest in this movie."

Furthermore, you missed my original post "but anyway one censored scene is not going to kill my interest in a film that won best actor and best first feature at the Cannes" Girl didn't win the Palm d'Or.

Also, every region submits their film for best Foreign Film. That doesn't mean Girl will be nominated for anything. It
 

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It's super weird reading so many people argue in favor of seeing a nude minor. I can't help but see shades of Amir0x, who's posts generated similar feeling of ick as I read them before he was eventually outed as a pedo.

Like, it's ok not to see a 15yr old's dick. What an odd thing to argue in favor of, no matter the context.
The nude scene is pretty vital to the narrative of the film and not sexual at all. The people arguing in favour of the nude scene are arguing for keeping the artist's vision alive, they're not arguing because they really want to see a 15-year old actor nude.
 

Ephonk

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Woah let's get this checked. People are defending a scene in the movie. Another thing that should be noted is that nobody calling out the quality of the film or saying it is bad. I do see people saying that won't see this movie because mionors body parts will be censored in theater. Netflix is still showing the original version.

now, these are comments in this thread you should be focusing on "What a way to kill my interest in this movie."
That's all perfectly fine.

But SillyEskimo starting to insinuate that people who defend the movie (or the scene being a part of the movie) are pedophiles is... completely wrong.
 

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That's all perfectly fine.

But SillyEskimo starting to insinuate that people who defend the movie (or the scene being a part of the movie) are pedophiles is... completely wrong.
He didn't call anyone here a pedophile. He said the words he is seeing here by the people who defend the nudity remind him of a poster who was outed as a pedophile.
"It's super weird reading so many people argue in favor of seeing a nude minor. I can't help but see shades of Amir0x, who's posts generated similar feeling of ick as I read them before he was eventually outed as a pedo."

Not defending the dude but who did he call a pedophile besides well the actual pedophile he mentioned. We gotta stop with these leaps of accusations on both sides please.
 

rjinaz

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That's all perfectly fine.

But SillyEskimo starting to insinuate that people who defend the movie (or the scene being a part of the movie) are pedophiles is... completely wrong.
Let's be honest, he didn't insinuate nothing there, he was pretty directly saying every defender of it could be a pedophile. Even compared them to a known pedophile.
 

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He didn't call anyone here a pedophile. He said the words he is seeing here by the people who defend the nudity remind him of a poster who was outed as a pedophile.
"It's super weird reading so many people argue in favor of seeing a nude minor. I can't help but see shades of Amir0x, who's posts generated similar feeling of ick as I read them before he was eventually outed as a pedo."

Not defending the dude but who did he call a pedophile besides well the actual pedophile he mentioned. We gotta stop with these leaps of accusations on both sides please.

What the hell does Amir0x have to do with what appears to be 2 pages so far of reasonable discussion between adults?
 
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