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Prine

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Again, crazy how people thought this would be the end of consoles earlier in the gen. Its the strongest it has ever been, and that looks to continue.
 

Couscous

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I think after the insane Q1 next year it will slow down a bit. PS5 rumours should be pretty strong by E3 time, so it could be a slow year after Q1. Unless they drop TLOU2 in September. Then madness will consume the world again. Also $199 permanent price drop would fuck everything up, but I cant see that happening.

Yeah, €199 and $199 isn't happening. They're making huge profits keeping the price up like this. I think Sony is going to launch TLOU 2 during the summer. That way they can keep the sales up after the strong first quarter of next year and Days Gone in the spring. The PS4 is definitely going to lose some steam after that.
 
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If the permanent price drop (249$ PS4 and 349$ PS4 Pro) does not happen in 2019 then I don't understand anything anymore about the games market. What will be the best month to make it happen and sustain the momentum in the more efficient way is one big question though. Especially as long as we don't know if one the Big Three (TLOU II, Death Stranding, Ghost of Tsushima) will be out in time to support 2019 or not.
 

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If the permanent price drop (249$ PS4 and 349$ PS4 Pro) does not happen in 2019 then I don't understand anything anymore about the games market. What will be the best month to make it happen and sustain the momentum in the more efficient way is one big question though. Especially as long as we don't know if one the Big Three (TLOU II, Death Stranding, Ghost of Tsushima) will be out in time to support 2019 or not.

We might see a price drop next year, because Sony doesn't have an exclusive lined up for 2019 on the same level as GoW or Spider-Man (unless TLoU2 actually launches next year) and outside of the next CoD, I can't think of another third party game on the same level as RDR2. 2019 seems like a good time to drop to $249.

I wonder how Dreams is going to be received. That's a wildcard.
 

Couscous

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Right, PS4 still hasn't reached max revenue yet. It hasn't had major and consistent price drops.

I get the idea of striking with the PS5 while momentum is still high, but I don't think eating at a console that is selling beyond expectations is good either. I say let the PS4 continue to run wild. TLoU II will be another God of War/Spidey tier release that will push PS4 toward the end.

The problem is that we and Sony don't know how the PS4 is going to keep selling next year. They've probably been planning the PS5 for years and delaying it might cause less profits if the PS4 is slowing down.
 

Gamer17

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Not at $200 and certainly not at $150. Quote me on this.
PS2 was $99 at one point. My take is PS4 should reach $129 to surpass PS2.
It will never pass ps2.its not possible anymore it will certainly be more profitable for Sony than ps2 but in terms of pure hardware numbers ,it's not happening .PS4 will stop around 130 million and that's a bit optimistic honestly
 

Rafako

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Now the future of the Soul Calibur franchise seems a bit brighter. The Soul Still Burns!
 

Sense

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It is interesting to see the strategy by ms compared to Sony and even Nintendo. Ms has multiple bundles going into the holiday season- nba2k, fallout, battlefield, Minecraft, Starter, pubg etc... Nintendo has little less with Pokemon, fort nite, diablo and the up coming smash. Sony only has Spider-Man for slim and rdr2 for pro and cod comes after Spider-Man is done.
 

RexNovis

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The fact that the #4 selling title on the PS4 ranking took #8 on the all platform list whereas the #4 exclusive title on the Xbox One platform list took #11 indicates to me that there is a marked disparity in software sales/revenue between the two.

I wish we still received some indication do sales split for multiplarform titles. I'm especially curious to see how these mega blockbuster titles fare split wise in the XB1's strongest market. While the rankings give us a hint that there is likely a disparity for releases #4 and down it doesn't really give us much to go on when it comes to these titles
 

TheZodiacAge

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The amount they have generated for Sony this gen, don't think Microsoft can get them for next gen easily. Sony will probably still get them

I think so too and the same goes for EA with Fifa which the moment it switched to Playstation had its sales Numbers explode because Playstation+Fifa+Europe are such a good match.

Activision and Rockstar would trade in someone who is able to advertise their product worldwide and has a lot of reach for someone who is only strong in 2 markets because so far MS hasn't proven their new product is this time relevant outside of the US+UK.
If a switch may happen it probably won't happen at the start of the Gen or won't be that cheap as long as there is no indication they won't get crushed again by Sony.
 

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If the permanent price drop (249$ PS4 and 349$ PS4 Pro) does not happen in 2019 then I don't understand anything anymore about the games market. What will be the best month to make it happen and sustain the momentum in the more efficient way is one big question though. Especially as long as we don't know if one the Big Three (TLOU II, Death Stranding, Ghost of Tsushima) will be out in time to support 2019 or not.

the focus is no longer a price drop to move units. its content, content and more content.
they have said multiple times that they want to offer more value for the same price, instead of dropping the price to sell more. with a library which keeps growing, they are doing great and selling more then ever.
dont expect a price drop in 2019. sony will drop the price of ps4 when ps5 launches.
 

N.Domixis

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It is interesting to see the strategy by ms compared to Sony and even Nintendo. Ms has multiple bundles going into the holiday season- nba2k, fallout, battlefield, Minecraft, Starter, pubg etc... Nintendo has little less with Pokemon, fort nite, diablo and the up coming smash. Sony only has Spider-Man for slim and rdr2 for pro and cod comes after Spider-Man is done.
MS does shotgun bundles. Throwing everything at the sink increasing chances that something sticks. Sony goes for headshot bundles. Spider-Man and RDR2 during specific months because they already know the bundles will be sellers. But maybe I'm wrong.
 
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Wait, Super Mario Party is the top selling Switch game this year?!?!?!

Also, Monster Hunter being in YTD top ten is awesome, but I'm kinda surprised it isn't in any specific platform's top ten.

EDIT: Oops. I understand now.
 
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jroc74

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The fact that the #4 selling title on the PS4 ranking took #8 on the all platform list whereas the #4 exclusive title on the Xbox One platform list took #11 indicates to me that there is a marked disparity in software sales/revenue between the two.

I wish we still received some indication do sales split for multiplarform titles. I'm especially curious to see how these mega blockbuster titles fare split wise in the XB1's strongest market. While the rankings give us a hint that there is likely a disparity for releases #4 and down it doesn't really give us much to go on when it comes to these titles

Never thought about it like this. Interesting...

So you can use the rankings to try to see.

I also miss the platform splits.
 

MrKlaw

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Is there any insight that suggests holiday buying is getting earlier? Interesting to see October getting big YoY gains when it is so close to November/thanksgiving- did it use to be a relatively down month?
 

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Is there any insight that suggests holiday buying is getting earlier? Interesting to see October getting big YoY gains when it is so close to November/thanksgiving- did it use to be a relatively down month?

Call of Duty shifted from November to October, and there was a new Rockstar game. October results were purely slate driven.
 

Skittzo

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It's strange that two games are treated as two games?

The publisher ultimately determines how games are classified and aggregated. If Nintendo wished us to combine the two into one for rollup purposes we would.

Ah, so they basically tell you how to report them? Interesting.

Other trackers like Media Create in Japan report them with combined totals so I assumed it was a decision made by each tracker.
 

SilverX

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Right, PS4 still hasn't reached max revenue yet. It hasn't had major and consistent price drops.

I get the idea of striking with the PS5 while momentum is still high, but I don't think eating at a console that is selling beyond expectations is good either. I say let the PS4 continue to run wild. TLoU II will be another God of War/Spidey tier release that will push PS4 toward the end.

Its not about momentum being a problem, its demand and interest for new consoles from consumers. Right now they are more than happy with the current hardware choices so announcing a PS5 anytime soon isnt going to the impact Sony wants. The PS4 launched when the PS3/360 were exhausted and people were starving for a new generation. Thats why the PS4 sold so well and so fast right out of the gate.
 

Hieroph

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Hardware spend is up YTD: For the 2018 year-to-date period, hardware spending has increased 19 percent, to $2.7 billion. Spending gains for Xbox One, PlayStation 4 and Plug N Play devices such as the NES Classic Edition and SNES Classic Edition continue to drive growth.

PS4 was the top selling console in October: PlayStation 4 was October's best-selling hardware platform in both units and dollars sold. PlayStation 4 hardware unit sales achieved an all-time October high for the platform, while PlayStation 4 hardware dollar sales reached its highest point for an October month since October 2014. October 2018 unit sales of PlayStation 4 reached the highest mark for any PlayStation hardware platform in an October month since the PlayStation 2 in October 2002.

Great results. Sony especially must be really happy, and it's completely deserved with the incredible year PS4 has had in game releases. One of the best years for any system ever.
 

Thoraxes

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Nothing will stop PS4 at this point. A lot of people claimed the XBOX will go huge after red dead redemption 2, but once again failed to understand just how small percentage of gamers play on X and Pro and how little they care about numbers and all.

People will just go for the more affordable thing. And PS4 is still the best deal they can get.
Though if you take into account the $ value of each, they're likely both very close in terms of where they'll end up.
 

DieH@rd

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Anyone has updated speculated LTD NPD numbers for current consoles? How large the difference is between PS4 and Xbone?
 

Saint-14

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I'm seeing upwards of 1.5 million for Switch this November when PS4 did 1.7 million last year. I don't know if PS4 will go much higher than that considering Wii managed 2 million in November at it's peak.
That would be like +100% YoY increase for Switch, I don't see that, PS4 doing better than last year is a given since insiders said stock is larger this year than last.
You're in for a rude awakening lol
Am I?