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[Butt news thread] Rear view: the big business of bottoms
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if you can't use your ass as a floating device, i dont want it.
Now that's what i call super sexy.
Now that's what i call super sexy.
Yeahhhhh.... So many people like her ass and it just looks manufactured to me.
A naturally-attainable toned/athletic body will never be undesirable from a biological perspective.
I think that's the best bet for everyone.
Extreme gym time, extreme eating one way or the other, extreme use of supplements and/or PEDs, and extreme focus on plastic surgery are all detrimental to the ultimate goal: having a sustainable functional physique that excels at movement through space (mobility) attained as a byproduct of a healthy lifestyle rather than through active sculpting.
There are tons of gym bodies these days that ain't shit from the perspective of athletic skill and coordination. The latter will help build a base to maintain health and mobility into old age. As soon as you don't actively maintain the former, it goes away leaving little in its wake.
Doing physically strenuous labor, being able to efficiently traverse varied and unpredictable terrains, and frequently engaging in athletics/sports are what we as a society should do to this end (to be healthy). For physical health, always look to the innate activities of little kids for inspiration. Play is the instinct for the skills required to physically thrive later in life.
I think that's the best bet for everyone.
Extreme gym time, extreme eating one way or the other, extreme use of supplements and/or PEDs, and extreme focus on plastic surgery are all detrimental to the ultimate goal: having a sustainable functional physique that excels at movement through space (mobility) attained as a byproduct of a healthy lifestyle rather than through active sculpting.
There are tons of gym bodies these days that ain't shit from the perspective of athletic skill and coordination. The latter will help build a base to maintain health and mobility into old age. As soon as you don't actively maintain the former, it goes away leaving little in its wake.
Doing physically strenuous labor, being able to efficiently traverse varied and unpredictable terrains, and frequently engaging in athletics/sports are what we as a society should do to this end (to be healthy). For physical health, always look to the innate activities of little kids for inspiration. Play is the instinct for the skills required to physically thrive later in life.
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Anything that is inspired by or reminiscent of anything Kardashian is a hard pass from me. Petite or athletic, please.
You can. This article is crazy talk.
You can. This article is crazy talk.
The article is saying that It's not just that big butts are in style, but the Kardashian figure is in style.. which is not naturally attainable.
Nah, you're asking for too much. Gotta forever keep women staring in the mirror wondering what will be wrong with them in the next decade.
Right but think of who Kim got it from... Women of color(even tho she's part Armenian)!
Ah. Exactly.
Women's emotional and physical health is secondary to how attractive they are to men.
Not holding anyone to a standard. I'm not saying every girl needs to have that, that's just what I like.
Trust me, well aware.
The article touches on this as well
This is a thread about societal expectations and women's health. This is not a thread for drive-bys about what kind of features you find attractive.
Any concept of or acknowledgment of harmful body standards and over-sexualization of women that you might see in other threads tends to go bye-bye in any thread actually discussing certain aspects of women's body by a lot of male members here. Feminism's gotta get put on hold for a bit while we all collectively drool for a bit over T&A while ignoring any context for the discussion apparently.
I honestly don't know what the solution is. Social media seems to be making things worse. (For men too.) I don't know what sort of education can combat it.
Because at the end of the day, a woman's value is still primarily seen in her looks. I don't think it's irrational that a lot of us are negatively affected when we then feel we have zero value as human beings. I certainly didn't grow up seeing people talk about women's other qualities as being equal or more important. The women who were famous or well known or even spoken positively about in my family because of their looks far outweighed those who were mentioned because of their intelligence, talents, courage, or anything else. Maybe younger girls are seeing that now. I hope so.
Because at the end of the day, a woman's value is still primarily seen in her looks. I don't think it's irrational that a lot of us are negatively affected when we then feel we have zero value as human beings. I certainly didn't grow up seeing people talk about women's other qualities as being equal or more important. The women who were famous or well known or even spoken positively about in my family because of their looks far outweighed those who were mentioned because of their intelligence, talents, courage, or anything else. Maybe younger girls are seeing that now. I hope so.
I don't know why this concept seems so alien to me. It's not any different to a boob job, but I guess I accept that as 'normal' due to having grown up with it taking place.
Part of me feels like you do you, if it makes you happy, good for you, but it's also really disturbing what extent people will go to in order to achieve what they consider to be greater levels of beauty.
There's no denying, you see that gif of Kim K trying to fit in her jeans and it's alluring, but it's horrible to think male reactions like that would lead to anyone thinking surgery was desirable.
Part of me feels like you do you, if it makes you happy, good for you, but it's also really disturbing what extent people will go to in order to achieve what they consider to be greater levels of beauty.
There's no denying, you see that gif of Kim K trying to fit in her jeans and it's alluring, but it's horrible to think male reactions like that would lead to anyone thinking surgery was desirable.
Social media, as a whole, just makes people depressed or addicted to the feedback of likes and etc. It is like people know it's a highlight reel and heavily curated but still want to chase after it.
The body type thing I feel like can be 'corrected' if it was variety of types getting attention vs 1-2 types in media (because society ain't stopping the obsession with women bodies).
It's true for a lot of men, and it shouldn't.
As men we are driven a lot by the physical attractiveness of women. I don't see any problem with that until we lose the perspective about their emotional and spiritual nature. I find a lot of men to be so totally predictable. It's like they are obsessed with one body shape. We all have preferences but isn't variety beautiful, the spice of life? Why can't I find both curvy & althetic & petite & tall women beautiful?
This is true. As a father of 2 girls, I take great care of telling them not only that they are pretty, but more importantly that they have internal beauty, the more important one.
Men will always like to look at beautiful women so I don't think we should try to fight this to the death, but we definitly should encourage the admiration of all human qualities, and bring more diversity to what is considered physically beautiful. We should focus on healthy being beautiful.
You could point to her helping this ideal body type, tho lately people have said zhes gone too far
This is such a complex issue and I believe body positivity is virtually impossible to maintain for most normal individuals in a world where true diversity in media is lacking and celebrities are deified for the multi-million dollar accessories they have bolted onto their bodies. There's tremendous pressure on everyone, especially women, to achieve a physique that is virtually unattainable and is at times hyper real. Combined with the rise of social media, smartphone cameras, and the competition inherent in the implementation of a likes/followers metric it's clearly influencing people in a very negative way.
I think the only solution to this is actual diversity in media of all shapes, sizes and colors but unfortunately the decision makers are either too afraid or unwilling to implement these changes. I've personally grown tired of musclebound square-jawed men and voluptuous over-sexualized women but find myself unable to escape either when consuming media. Instead we're stuck on this treadmill where even people with magical/mystical/technological superpowers in fiction are somehow still physical specimens.
I think the only solution to this is actual diversity in media of all shapes, sizes and colors but unfortunately the decision makers are either too afraid or unwilling to implement these changes. I've personally grown tired of musclebound square-jawed men and voluptuous over-sexualized women but find myself unable to escape either when consuming media. Instead we're stuck on this treadmill where even people with magical/mystical/technological superpowers in fiction are somehow still physical specimens.
My fiance got a BBL (fat transfer, basically lipo and some of the fat gets injected in the butt), it was her decision. I tried to discourage her from it initially, her mom tried as well. When I realized how dead set she was, I started thinking maybe that was patriarchal of me. I was just worried about her getting elective invasive surgery. Have to feel living in South Florida played a role because it's so commonplace there. She didn't go for over-dramatic results and the biggest transformation I'd say is at the waist line level. There's definitely a lot of preparing that goes into it, but the actual procedure was about 3-4 hours, cost about $4500 but there's extra additional costs like massages and fajas that I'll round it up to around $5500-$6000. You can't lay on your back or sit for weeks. Safety comes down to doing hella research on the surgeon doing the work. The doctor that did hers had zero fatalities on her record. Some clinics that have bad records that get them in news will also sometimes close down and rebrand with a different name, so again research is key. It was super convenient we lived in FL at the time not sure how the folks that fly in then have to fly out even manage. People will go to like the Dominican Republican where the regulatory guidelines are lax to non-existent, the US for example has a limit on how much fat you can extract during the procedure. I've definitely had some of my opinions on cosmetic surgery changed as I learned more about it, there are super dedicated communities to it.
Man, I won't lie a small waist with a round ass is sexy (hourglass). But the lengths women have to go to attain the sexy shape (especially if genetics is working against them) and the changing male tastes that can dictate a woman's sense of self worth is kind of crazy and sad.
Seriously, just urg. Who find this crap attractive.You could point to her helping this ideal body type, tho lately people have said zhes gone too far
Tiny waist, big ass, thigh gap. These things are not attainable together unless you have very specific genetics or use unhealthy eating habits, waist training corsets, and plastic surgery.
It's just like Kylie's fake... well, everything being sold as an ideal to people. Keeping up with the Kardashians indeed.
It's just like Kylie's fake... well, everything being sold as an ideal to people. Keeping up with the Kardashians indeed.
Gotcha. Didn't think you weren't aware, just exclaiming it more than anything.
This entire thread just makes me want to scream "FUCK OFF!" at the world.
Give me a break.
Funny thing is, despite everything, my "ideal body" hasn't changed one bit since I was a teenager (or possibly even earlier). It's also not at all the ideal that most people think of when the phrase comes up. Not sure how that works. I guess I have the distinct privilege of being immune to societal pressures on this front.
It is, of course, a lot harder than it sounds, but I'd say the goal is well worth the struggle. I know for myself that representation is huge for me. We just need more visible women that aren't being played up as sex objects for men first and characters second.
It'll probably take decades if not centuries to undo this kind of programming. A sobering thought, but no one said attaining social equality was going to be easy.
Give me a break.
Funny thing is, despite everything, my "ideal body" hasn't changed one bit since I was a teenager (or possibly even earlier). It's also not at all the ideal that most people think of when the phrase comes up. Not sure how that works. I guess I have the distinct privilege of being immune to societal pressures on this front.
Well, I'd say the solution is just pushing society's values away from judging a woman's value entirely on her looks, and that largely means taking control of our popular media and injecting some much-needed diversity.
It is, of course, a lot harder than it sounds, but I'd say the goal is well worth the struggle. I know for myself that representation is huge for me. We just need more visible women that aren't being played up as sex objects for men first and characters second.
It'll probably take decades if not centuries to undo this kind of programming. A sobering thought, but no one said attaining social equality was going to be easy.
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On the bright side (and sometimes negative side) with social media, it's also possible to find communities that are supportive or embrace whatever look, style, personality, etc. If looking at the most trending influencers or whatever the most popular content that social media outlets push, it's probably depressing, but it's also easy to find the opposites. shoutouts to @ discwomannyc
Speaking of porn, the fastest growing cosmetic surgery in 2017 was "vaginal rejuvenation," which is basically surgery intended to make the vulva look better. But breast surgery dwarfs them both. It's not even close:
https://www.isaps.org/medical-professionals/isaps-global-statistics/
There's no definitive proof that porn caused the uptick in those type of surgeries, but where else would you even see a vulva to compare yours to? The cosmetic industry purports to support body positivity by giving people the look that they want, but they can only profit from people who are unhappy with their natural looks.
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This is straight out of the sex recession article and it supports the idea that porn is making people hate their junk:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/12/the-sex-recession/573949/
https://www.isaps.org/medical-professionals/isaps-global-statistics/
There's no definitive proof that porn caused the uptick in those type of surgeries, but where else would you even see a vulva to compare yours to? The cosmetic industry purports to support body positivity by giving people the look that they want, but they can only profit from people who are unhappy with their natural looks.
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This is straight out of the sex recession article and it supports the idea that porn is making people hate their junk:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/12/the-sex-recession/573949/
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I'm glad fashion and ideal body image is no longer about becoming the skinniest thing possible, but at the same time I think there's just as much media pushing people to be unsatisfied with how they currently look and that's still disappointing. Body positivity is very important and so many people write it off as "fat people trying to excuse their fatness" when it effects way more than just overweight people.
I feel so conflicted regarding plastic surgery, on the one hand I feel like I should support people that want to have plastic surgery, in a same way I would support other aspects of someones appearance. But on the other side I do feel it is a very extreme form of alteration that often involves insecurities and most definitely is steered for many by societal pressure. It feels like a wrong reason to do so, but at the same time I can't deny it as a valid reason. I don't really think anyone is really swayed by arguments such as that they should not care about what other people think or that there are people with other preferences.
Placing less importance on beauty would be great, but seeing that it is important to so many people I can't really deny plastic surgery as an option no matter how I feel about it. Until most of society starts valuing other things more it problably becomes more of a problem as plastic surgery becomes more accesible and popular causing the pressure to increase.
Placing less importance on beauty would be great, but seeing that it is important to so many people I can't really deny plastic surgery as an option no matter how I feel about it. Until most of society starts valuing other things more it problably becomes more of a problem as plastic surgery becomes more accesible and popular causing the pressure to increase.