Just noting that what we are seeing in BFV is DXR. You mentioned RTX tech. I wasn't sure if you were using it as an umbrella term or not.
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DF: Battlefield 5 PC - RTX Ray Tracing Analysis and XBX Graphics Comparison
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Very good video Dictator.
I own a GTX 1080 and not about to put any money down for a 2080ti but I'm really interested in the ray tracing tech and how it will be affordable later on. Couldn't give a crap about the value proposition today.
Back in the day a new game meant a new GPU.
I own a GTX 1080 and not about to put any money down for a 2080ti but I'm really interested in the ray tracing tech and how it will be affordable later on. Couldn't give a crap about the value proposition today.
Back in the day a new game meant a new GPU.
This guy keeps posting these pictures and everyone tells him his copy is messed up or something and he keeps trolling and saying how bad the game looks.
It doesn't look that bad. He is either playing on low settings or his videocard is messed up. Looked better for me on high settings than that and now i'm playing on ultra and it looks far better. Doesn't look worse than BF1 at all.
So you're just going to go ahead and lie now I see? To my knowledge, I've posted this picture twice. Once in the Battlefield PC thread in response to another poster and once here. Secondly, both times I've mentioned that the game looks visually inconsistent praising some aspects of it and criticizing others. My criticism have been regarding asset quality and inconsistent texture quality. Both of those things are verifiable criticisms/complaints regardless of the version being played. Next time, try to do your due diligence first before making false assertions.
I just wanted to say, I'm glad I have had a chance to develop with ray-tracing from working in the film industry. It's good to see a final marriage of gaming and film. Future looks good!
Fantastic video by Alex, this might be the video I've enjoyed the most, ever, as far as DF's tech analysis go. It's really special, as is the content of the analysis itself, a deep steady look at what's coming in the near future and how big the jump will be. RT/DRX is going to change everything.
Well a subset of RTX stuff is utilized by DXR. I didn't want to type out 'raytracing hardware support' or something.
Imagine what DICE will do with a modern setting Battlefield on next gen hardware.
Well, I guess in many ways PC is next gen hardware.
Well, I guess in many ways PC is next gen hardware.
Mate, you might not be my favourite of the DF presenters, but don't let warz kiddies stop you from doing what you love. Immature agenda riddled children if ive ever seen them.
The overly long 7th gen and the 8th gen starting with very mediocre hardware really fucked with people's perception when it comes to high end graphical features. We got so used to just maxing everything and call it a day that we don't remember the times where ultra details crushed every PC without remorse, even the high end ones. I mean Crysis wasn't that long ago. And now people complain when they can't run an RTX game at 4k.
I have the FE 2080, it's hot, but that's more of the fan settings that it ships with it. I run BF5 without DXR at 1440p144 and temps are at 70C. With AIB cooling I'd reckon it's much much cooler. I haven't had to RMA personally, but then again I only know like 2 others who have RTX cards. And only one of them has the Ti which seems to be the one with the problems.
As someone who doesn't even PC game typically, I love your videos and you do a great job of taking these topics and making them exciting and interesting to me!
If software was programmed to support more than one GPU with DXR, it should work well.
For example in RDR2 falling leaves don't create these weird artifacts in SSR. Neither does having your character or a gun in front of water. In fact, it's been a long time since I saw SSR implementation with so many oddities and artifacts like they have in BFV.
To be blunt. No. Frostbite, idtech and many other engines include alpha on purpose into their SSR - RDR does not then. That is not usually seen as an artifact, rather a plus... since you can actually see big alpha particles in the SSR as well.
And any game that has a gun obscuring view will have that same SSR problem. To my humble knowledge, no game has ever shipped with deep g-buffer or multilayer SSR. Which then would only mask the gun view model for one layer, but still have occlusion SSR problems for every other object anyway.
You could argue the reason PC gaming has often been 'faster, higher, more more more!' in the mast ten years or so - i'd look at the rise of console gaming. As the technologies merged, the console market was much bigger than PC sonconaole became the lead. Engines were developed and assets produced around the lowest common denominator - console. That leaves PC nowhere to go except to run the same games at higher resolutions and frame rates.
In the early days PC gaming was very different to the 2D side scrolling old console games so they had their own separate evolution of engines and tech and often pushed the envelope
Yup
Consoles adopting oc like architecture has been a net positive fir both platform
Thanks for the article one of the best and probably more interesting to know about the technical challenge. And you are very kind to answer the attack.
Oh, certainly. I think another key factor were the poor CPUs in Xbox One and PS4 making it even easier to build a console beating PC cheaply even right at their respective launches. That wasn't always the case in the past.
If they get a solid CPU bump as rumored next time it might be a different picture at least for a while.
No worries mate, just wondered as it's been a while. Be sure and fire me a PM when it's ready. I won't mention it again :p
Thanks. I had a Chrome extension, on a new netbook for Youtube videos to help them play more smoothly on it but it had the side effect of making the Youtube options above 1080p on my main PC's Chrome not appear. Problem solved!
I'd love Dictator or someone else who has both versions to post one to one comparisons between Xbox One X's graphical settings and High / Ultra settings on PC. If the graphical improvements over settings are anything like previous DICE games I've played on PC then the differences will be minimal (and even less noticeable than normal) in a fast paced, multiplayer shooter.
If DICE felt like going with Medium settings over High was needed to hit 4k/60fps much more frequently on XB1X then I'm more than happy with that choice.
Someone needs to teach me how to multi-quote as I just copied all of this into Word first before copying back lol... I hit the multi-quote button on several posts but when I reply to the last one only the last quote I selected appears? Thank you to anyone who takes the time to explain it.
Perhaps the title of DF video when doing PC vs X should say High End PC and not making seem like any pc vs x would be a mismatch. It is silly to do a pc that most dont have to down talk the console best version. I mean really?
Well that's just absurd. The comparison isn't of PC hardware vs X hardware. It's a comparison of software, i.e. talking about the differences when comparing the PC version of BFV vs the console version represented at its best. Or would you rather have them also do comparisons for each PC setting vs each console version separately? The video itself has Alex compare each PC settings from low to ultra against each other regardless. And they are in the process of doing a console comparison video with each other as well. Secondly, and there is no "downtalking".
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The video itself has side by side comparisons of PC and X at ultra.
They aren't minimal in BFV's case. It's not enormous but it's still quite substantial even when you don't consider RTX.
The primary differences are shadows (on consoles the shadows turn blurry about 5m from you) and the effects setting which massively cuts back on the particles like rain/snow etc.
It's a rather silly and pointless approach. Consoles should be compared to each other, not a PC.
I'll have another look later, now I have the video in 4k. Shadow resolution is something that's never bothered me personally. There the first thing I drop to medium when trying to hit 60fps on PC.
RTX is a huge difference of that there's no doubt.
What a wonderful and promising technology. I was shocked when I saw the reflection of the player character in the scope of the rifle or the side mirror of the bus - feels like the true next step for in-game visuals
To me honestly this kind of implementation definitely does not make much of a difference to the overall picture frankly. I definitely appreciate what Nvidia has managed to do here, though. However I wonder when will ray tracing hit the "big time", especially when it's all but assured that the next console generation won't have any sort of ray tracing hardware.
Are you saying games such as BFV aren't using the tensor cores? And if DirectX ("DXR") doesn't support those things, then how are they gonna be used at all?
We need a return of the PhysX-style dedicated GPU for one effect. (Not really) (but maybe really)
Appreciate it :p
Tried again last night with DXR. I love that Dice have pushed it but any other game type than a fast paced MP.
The explosions reflected look so so good but you have to be near explosions!
I think it will happen on PC as a high end optional effect for a while ... idtech has ray tracing support. Not officially announced, but bill kahn said it does on twitter. That with frostbite, UE4, Unity in time too... it will be pc exclusive for a bit in the event that next gen consoles do not have it. Then the generation there after it comes out in full force as consoles can finally run it (under the assumption both consoles do not have it for PS5 and Xbox Two).
I disagree that it does not make a much of a difference to overall picture. It just depends where you are looking in the game - just the same as many other effects in games. Ultra especially as it touches almost all specularity. To say what I mean in plainer terms, the correctness and quality of volumetric lighting does not show up in scenes without volumetric lighting - but when it is there, it makes a big difference. Like the scenes of Destiny 2 on console - there its low res volumetrics rear its head. But in other scenes, you obviously do not notice it!
So any scene at all with water on any DXR setting looks dramatically different, and particularly as the camera moves or objects moves, always obscuring it. The game definitely has more water than it has pristine metals or glass.
BFV aint using the tensor cores. DXR does not know about their existence as it does not cover that. Just like anything vendor specific, if BFV wants to use them it makes driver calls outside of Direct X spec. That is how they are used, were they to be.
Thanks Chris, really. One redeeming part of reading feed back online for this is seeing who is actually sharing the article where. It is interesting to note how many people involved in real time rendering shared it and commented postively about it versus the amount of negative comments on forums or under the video itself which called my inegrity into question. It made me happy to see people who will probably be implementing ray tracing, being the ones who enjoyed that the interview could be done and those details could be shared.
I look at xboxonex comparisons academically. I am on one side curious as to what is happening in the black box that are consoles just out of curiosity. I also think it is a great starting point for users to guage their settings for midrange PCs.
Thanks :]
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