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Mississippi judge strikes down state abortion ban

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From judge Carlton Reeves's opinion:

The fact that men, myself included, are determining how women may choose to manager their reproductive health is a sad irony not lost on the court. As Sarah Weddington argued to the nine men of the Supreme Court in 1971 when representing "Jane Roe", "a pregnancy to a woman is perhaps one of the most determantive aspects of her life". As a man, who cannot get pregnant or seek an abortion, I can only imagine the anxiety and turmoil a woman might experience when she decides whether to terminate her pregnancy through an abortion. Respecting her autonomy demands that this statute be enjoined.

No, the real reason we are here is simple. The State chose to pass a law it knew was unconstitutional to endorse a decades-long campaign, fueled by national interest groups to ask the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade.
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The entire opinion is here: https://www.reproductiverights.org/...t/files/documents/Jackson-v-Currier-Order.pdf
 
FreezePeach

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That judge is a literal badass of badassery. In Mississippi.

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Zenithysis

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The judge's heart is in the right place but 'men can't get pregnant' is some next level transphobic shit.
 

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On the one hand, yay.

On the other hand, this case, or one like it, is going to end up in front of the Supreme Court.

Good luck.
 
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I mean, it's never been perfect, but has anyone else's appreciation for the judiciary increased over the past two years?
 

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Zenithysis said:
The judge's heart is in the right place but 'men can't get pregnant' is some next level transphobic shit.
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...I don't follow. Men cannot get pregnant, full stop. It's a factual statement.

Edit - Oh Thank God, I'm not the only one. For a moment I felt like I imagine what most Republicans feel, ignorant and confused in a land they don't understand.
 
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Steel said:
... Not really? More like so peripherally transphobic as to be irrelevant?


Think they're talking about transgender men.
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Are we talking about cis-females becoming trans-gender men ( I don't believe it's possible for them to become pregnant after transition ) or men who transition to females ( at that point, I don't believe they would like to be called men/male anymore )
 
Steel

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data said:
Are we talking about cis-females becoming trans-gender men ( I don't believe it's possible for them to become pregnant after transition ) or men who transition to females ( at that point, I don't believe they would like to be called men/male anymore )
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The former, and it's both possible and has happened. That being said it's so damn peripheral that that poster was being waaaaaay hyperbolic.

Just to clarify, CIS implies identifying with the sex you're born with, so a trans-man by definition is not CIS at any point in their life.
 
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Steel said:
The former, and it's both possible and has happened. That being said it's so damn peripheral that that poster was being waaaaaay hyperbolic.

Just to clarify, CIS implies identifying with the sex you're born with, so a trans-man by definition is not CIS at any point in their life.
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Got it. Thanks for clarifying. Thought cis was just an adjective for which gender you were identified with when you were born.

Also it's suprising its possible considering I would think they would remove / prevent the parts from your previous gender from working.
 

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An Obama appointee. Judge appointments are the most important thing a President does but often goes ignored.
 
MayorSquirtle

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data said:
Are we talking about cis-females becoming trans-gender men ( I don't believe it's possible for them to become pregnant after transition ) or men who transition to females ( at that point, I don't believe they would like to be called men/male anymore )
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Not all trans people transition or even have a desire to.

Yes, saying men can't get pregnant is transphobic, to a degree, because it erases men who literally can and have gotten pregnant. That said, calling it "next-level" transphobia is a bit much. Most people who say things like that are simply ignorant, don't know any trans people, and have spent their entire life with the view that gender = sex and have never really had that view challenged. It's generally a pretty innocent mistake to make.
 
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Lets move on from that comment. Background story via AP / NBC News.

AP: Federal judge strikes down Mississippi's controversial 15-week abortion law

JACKSON, Miss. — A federal judge on Tuesday struck down a Mississippi abortion law that bans most abortions after 15 weeks, one of the most restrictive in the United States.

U.S. District Judge Carlton Reeves ruled that the law "unequivocally" violates women's constitutional rights.

"The record is clear: States may not ban abortions prior to viability," Reeves said, citing Supreme Court rulings.

The only abortion clinic in Mississippi sued when Republican Gov. Phil Bryant signed the law March 19, and Reeves issued a temporary restraining order the next day to keep the state from enforcing the law.

The Mississippi law and the responding lawsuit set up a confrontation sought by abortion opponents, who are hoping federal courts will ultimately prohibit abortions before a fetus is viable outside the womb, the dividing line that the U.S. Supreme Court set in its 1973 ruling saying that women have the right to terminate pregnancies. An Iowa law, also challenged in court, bans most abortions once a fetal heartbeat is detected.

The Mississippi law would allow exceptions to the 15-week ban in cases of medical emergency or severe fetal abnormality. Doctors found in violation of the ban would face mandatory suspension or revocation of their medical license.

A national abortion-rights group, the Center for Reproductive Rights, helped represent the Mississippi clinic.

"Our victory today means that women in Mississippi will maintain the ability to make their own decisions about whether and when to terminate a pregnancy," Nancy Northup, president and CEO of the center, said in a statement Tuesday. "Today's decision should be a wake-up call for state lawmakers who are continuously trying to chip away at abortion access. Such bans will not stand in a court of law."​
 
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Zenithysis said:
The judge's heart is in the right place but 'men can't get pregnant' is some next level transphobic shit.
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I sympathize, but I think you're splitting hairs. This is legalese. I am pretty sure we all know what he meant.

Back on topic, I read this from the entire opinion:

In that spirit, this Court concludes that the Mississippi Legislature's professed interest in 'women's health' is pure gaslighting.
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This judge does not pull punches. I want to subscribe to his newsletter.

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He has damn fine taste too. That's a nice ass watch.
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Looks like a Skagen. My favorite brand. Thin and lasts forever.
 
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Critch said:
...I don't follow. Men cannot get pregnant, full stop. It's a factual statement.

Edit - Oh Thank God, I'm not the only one. For a moment I felt like I imagine what most Republicans feel, ignorant and confused in a land they don't understand.
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I'll reply to this one. Transmen are men. Transmen can get pregnant. Ergo men can get pregnant.
 
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JaredG said:
Not all trans people transition or even have a desire to.

Yes, saying men can't get pregnant is transphobic, to a degree, because it erases men who literally can and have gotten pregnant. That said, calling it "next-level" transphobia is a bit much. Most people who say things like that are simply ignorant, don't know any trans people, and have spent their entire life with the view that gender = sex and have never really had that view challenged. It's generally a pretty innocent mistake to make.
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But this wasnt about gender, it was specifically about the differences between the sexes

In that one has a uterus and the other doesnt. therefore the latter has no say in telling those who bear children what to do with their bodies


Edit: kudos to the judge, tho seeing as hes a black man going against the religious right I also hope he stays safe
 
Steel

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data said:
Got it. Thanks for clarifying. Thought cis was just an adjective for which gender you were identified with when you were born.

Also it's suprising its possible considering I would think they would remove / prevent the parts from your previous gender from working.
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The procedure for female to male is exponentially more expensive than the opposite. Not to mention it has a higher failure rate. Additionally, it basically just makes a phallus out of forearm tissue. So many either can't afford it or are hoping for advancements in it.

Anyway this derail has gone waaaay too far.
 
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Cryptosporidium said:
But this wasnt about gender, it was specifically about the differences between the sexes

In that one has a uterus and the other doesnt. therefore the latter has no say in telling those who bear children what to do with their bodies
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I was merely clarifying for the people couldn't understand why it may be transphobic.

That said, an argument could be made that if it wasn't about gender and was specifically about the differences between sexes, the more proper thing would be to not use gendered language at all and instead say "As someone without a uterus" rather than "As a man." But again, it's pretty unrealistic to expect anyone to think of that sort of thing unless they've done a lot of reading on social justice and trans issues. And that's the last I'll say on it since the thread's already off-track enough.
 
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JaredG said:
I was merely clarifying for the people couldn't understand why it may be transphobic.

That said, an argument could be made that if it wasn't about gender and was specifically about the differences between sexes, the more proper thing would be to not use gendered language at all and instead say "As someone without a uterus" rather than "As a man." But again, it's pretty unrealistic to expect anyone to think of that sort of thing unless they've done a lot of reading on social justice and trans issues. And that's the last I'll say on it since the thread's already off-track enough.
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Thats fair
 
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Zenithysis said:
I'll reply to this one. Transmen are men. Transmen can get pregnant. Ergo men can get pregnant.
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Your injection of transphobia into the judges statement is imo dishonest. It's clear the judge was trying to strike a contrast between the biological characteristics between cis-men and cis-women to strengthen the argument of his opinion on this case on an unjust abortion law. The statement can be construed as being transphobic but let's not pretend that intent doesn't matter in communication.
 
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