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melonrabbit

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
3,103
Nowhere
This Faddy/Stuart thing is starting to remind me of Sorian/Faddy. I'm not a fan of Sorian/Faddy

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Oct 27, 2017
2,240
I started my weekly commute and will be following per phone. Won't be able to dig back as much. And i will suffer the pain that is called German mobile net.

Faddy stu was your top town a while ago?
 

Android Sophia

The Absolute Sword
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
6,090
It was the greatest example of town vs town.

Sorian even said how he would feel so vindicated when Faddy flips scum and it would be his greatest moment more or less. Then Faddy Flipped town.

It was funny to watch.

Sorian and Faddy both made like 100 post each in a day phase tunneling each other. Turns out they were both town. We're not quite there yet, but I'm getting the vibes.

Oh, so it was like Darryl and Flux in the original Werewolf. Interesting.
 

Faddy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,124
I started my weekly commute and will be following per phone. Won't be able to dig back as much. And i will suffer the pain that is called German mobile net.

Faddy stu was your top town a while ago?

He wasn't my top town but he was on my town list. I thought he was less likely to be mafia for the way he tried to steer the lynch off of ET. But the arguments he is pushing here are not good. The fact he brought up that I learned from Grizly to bus partners early is a weird thing to say and is possibly TMI that he learned to hard defend his partners in monopoly and he did it here.
 

Faddy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,124
btw my theory now is that chat creator is scum, made the chat, saw fantoma's read list and then decided to kill Fantomas based on that.

No idea if Zeke made it rather than a 3rd party. but I believe it's a scum power and Fantomas was killed because of his reads.

So if they had come forward, I'd want to go for them.

Could I be wrong? Sure, I'm not even sure if the 3rd party could see the chat that they made between Fantomas and Zeke. But if it WAS a 3rd party and they CAN see the chat, I'm guessing that's why he died.

Stuart also started the day saying the reason Fanto died was because of reads but now he is pushing that I am scum despite being one of Fantomas top town. And he no longer seems interested in Fantos reads now that zeke keeps pushing them.
 

Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,068
Stuart also started the day saying the reason Fanto died was because of reads but now he is pushing that I am scum despite being one of Fantomas top town. And he no longer seems interested in Fantos reads now that zeke keeps pushing them.

lol, if you actually read my last posts, you'll see that I said, I think it's odd how Zeke is continuing to post reads that he already paraphrased at the start of the day. He should be giving his own reads and opinions now instead of spending all the time on a dead persons reads who he has already posted and paraphrased and it was early enough into the day that anyone that wants to can go and find them in seconds lol.
 

Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,068
Always the possibility that you wanted a good defense for Fanto being killed. And what better way to defend yourself than to say "why would I want him dead when I was his top town"

Prettttttty sure I've seen that play in the past.
 

absolutbro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,628
Just in general.

But I guess for specifics. What do you think of:

Faddy
Zeke
GP

And any other thoughts/insights you might have but curious of your opinion on the above.
Zeke I'm in a holding pattern on. We'll see what else comes of the chat claim, if others come forward, etc. We've already been over the mechanical aspect of it.

GP I leaned scummy early on. I always find it a little suspicious when I see posts like "I'm suspicious of A and B" without much reason and then one of them turns out to be scum. Those always feel like CYA posts where you have the ability to both bus ("I was suspicious of B in post ###") and try to build town points when you're off vote on a town lynch ("I didn't want to lynch A, see post ###"). There is absolutely the chance of an innocent post getting really unlucky, but early posts like that always feel like building block posts. That said, today GP has seemed more town to me, asking a few decent questions and calling out a few things. Nothing super great, but better than my scum gut feeling from last day phase.

Faddy is kind of a toss up. He's seemed super defensive about small things, but I find myself agreeing with his views on other players. I'd say burned out town more than anything.

Honestly, the player who a reread has done the worst for is nin. His early claim should have been an almost nonissue, but I do have to admit it worked somewhat to get discussion going. His tunneling isn't completely unusual, but tunneling a replacement player does seem to be. He's been really aggressive about meaningless things like early joke votes, was weirdly defensive of Gorlak early on, and had a bunch of fluff agreement type posts while coming down on others for fluff. Not saying he's scum, but it looks bad.

I mean, this is coming from me so take with a mountain of salt.
 

nin

Asked Politely
Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
7,159
Stuart also started the day saying the reason Fanto died was because of reads but now he is pushing that I am scum despite being one of Fantomas top town. And he no longer seems interested in Fantos reads now that zeke keeps pushing them.

you are regarded as town by my standarts if that makes you feel any better
 

Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,068
It was, and thanks by the way. I just think you were grinding up behind faddy's rump a bit too much is all.

Just now or last night? Because I don't think I pushed him much before now.

I'm pushing him now and his reactions makes me feel he is a nervous scum. Town Faddy wouldn't be so nervous sounding nor would I expect him to do what is essentially an OMGUS vote right after I started pushing him.

It feels extremely telling and I'm becoming more confident the more I see from him.
 

Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,068
;__;

Also, why do you lean town on Sophia?

Oh man, sorry Grizz ;_; you're firmly in my town camp though.

As for Sophia, I felt her posts earlier about claims (mines, nins, chuggs) felt very genuine and like an annoyed townie who doesn't like other people claiming since it's not too helpful for town. That's my main reason.
 
Oct 25, 2017
23,200
Yeah, I wasn't opposed to Sophia before, but her recent posts have made me feel better about her. I'm still not sure if I'm town reading her though. Regardless, I still think Panda is the way to go today
 

The Bear

Forest Animal
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
4,192
Not sure what to make of this recent Faddy/Stuart interaction. Faddy's reactions are kind of over-the-top, but on the other hand I don't know if scum-faddy would react like this.

Kalor is still coasting hardcore.
 

CoolestSpot

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
17,325
Just now or last night? Because I don't think I pushed him much before now.

I'm pushing him now and his reactions makes me feel he is a nervous scum. Town Faddy wouldn't be so nervous sounding nor would I expect him to do what is essentially an OMGUS vote right after I started pushing him.

It feels extremely telling and I'm becoming more confident the more I see from him.

I think pushing onto him answering me right now is crossing the line a bit, is all. It's not even that big a deal, I'd be fine if you took out a gun and shot him in game honestly. Just a minor bug in how you were painting his protrait as scum in that instance.
 

The Bear

Forest Animal
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
4,192
We still have three hours, so I will start to take a deeper read on Giant Panda now.
 

EzekelRAGE

Member
Nov 3, 2017
16,033
Not sure what to make of this recent Faddy/Stuart interaction. Faddy's reactions are kind of over-the-top, but on the other hand I don't know if scum-faddy would react like this.

Kalor is still coasting hardcore.
plz can we stop doing the ikd if scum so and so would do something.

If it's scummy call it out and see what happens.
 

The Bear

Forest Animal
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
4,192
If anything, Faddy being over the top kind of makes me think he's town even more

I mean, he could be nervous scum, aggressive reactions from scum aren't uncommon. But in experience I feel scum try to act all cool and detached to the suspicion/votes casted on them, especially if they are experienced players, which is part of the reason why I'm still pretty confident on Sophia.
 

Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,068
Not sure what to make of this recent Faddy/Stuart interaction. Faddy's reactions are kind of over-the-top, but on the other hand I don't know if scum-faddy would react like this.

Kalor is still coasting hardcore.

I think Town Faddy would react more calmer, and not give out a vote so soon after like that. Feels very nervous imo.

I just don't think Town Faddy would be reacting like this.
 

Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,068
I'm also reminded of me doing the same thing to Muffin in a previous game. He had never been scum before. I pushed him, his reactions were nervous and over the top. He was scum in that game.

Faddy hasn't been scum AFAIK and I'm doing the same thing as I did on Muffin, pushing him to see his reaction and his reaction makes me feel similarly that he's scum acting out.
 

malus

Member
Oct 30, 2017
2,947
Didn't have nearly enough time to really dig into the thread, so my vote will be mainly based on voting patterns for now.

People I don't feel bad about:
gir, turmoil7

People I don't feel terrible about:
alexem

People I don't feel good about:
Sophia, Kalor, CoolestSpot, Stuart444

I don't really feel qualified to place a vote but whatever so:
vote: Kalor

Just as a heads up: As I said already in the OT I'm still quite busy this week, so I won't be around for day end and day start. I also won't be very active next day phase and again miss the eod. Next week should be better though.
 

DCPat

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,170
I've cooled off a bit on Stuart after reading everything. I was annoyed by him yesterday, but it seems he is/was in a dark place. I don't feel like bothering him with that now and I hope (and it seems like) he feels a bit better now. He is still on my rader and I certainly do not townread him, but I can't justify it to myself to vote Stuart now when he seems so legit annoyed with some things + Positive about him is that he kept reads coming and kept questioning people. I'd want to look elsewhere for todays lynch.

My top two scum at the moment are Kalor and Alexem. Alexem more than Kalor, but

Alexem - Comment on Nin, but no stance. He does that multiple times day 1. Then the only other real thing he does on day 1 is call out Donna and Kalor to contibute more. I've already questioned him about this. Mainly because I thought the choices of Kalor and Donna where weird considering there were a lot more people to choose from and/or add to that list. Overall his posts are pretty empty to me. I think there are a lot of lazy and easy reads in there and that bothers me. Also his vote on Panda is lazy and weak since he said he isn't sure.

Kalor - He didn't really do anything day 1. I do not like his vote on Grizzy there, because it's also a lazy easy vote, without any commitment. For day 1 it isn't that bad, but adding his post #954 makes it suspicious to me. He is switching of Grizzly like he doesn't want to, but there isn't a good reason he was on there in the first place. Add to that he thought it was weird with his vote on Grizzy who wasn't there, but then switched to ET, who also wasn't there.

The thing that annoys me the most atm is his post #1744. Kalor normally isn't the high post person, but normally has a great clear idea of who he wants to lynch and not. This game is one of the most active I've been in and yet he has no clue.

Since Alexem lynch is not going to happen today, I'm happy with my vote on Kalor now

VOTE: Kalor

Stuart I've talked about. Panda, Sophia and Faddy I will read back a bit about and post what I think.

My top town are Grizzly and Gorlak.
 

Kalor

Resettlement Advisor
Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,620