Lol, I thought you implied what I wrote was puzzling/didn't make sense.
It's all good. :)
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It's all good. :)
I couldn't give a tuppenny fuck about all this Jones and Moriarty business quite frankly so I've skipped most of the posts in here.
Lost in between all that shite was something about Huber's brother. What's happened there? Nothing serious I hope? The way he often talks about his brother when they were growing up reminds me very much of me and my brothers. Combining Christmas presents to get consoles and what not. Good times. I hope everything is fine there.
Lost in between all that shite was something about Huber's brother. What's happened there? Nothing serious I hope? The way he often talks about his brother when they were growing up reminds me very much of me and my brothers. Combining Christmas presents to get consoles and what not. Good times. I hope everything is fine there.
Colin has a habit of doing something problematic and then saying he didn't do it, when he clearly did. Take a look at these tweets, for example (and the tweets he's responding to):
https://twitter.com/notaxation/status/933509563071938560
https://twitter.com/notaxation/status/933511533665042432
https://twitter.com/notaxation/status/933512708112105472
https://twitter.com/notaxation/status/933524812391112705
Uses language that is used to ridicule and mock transgender people, when the people he is speaking to try to educate him on the matter, he says that he said nothing transphobic and the problem is with them.
I'm just saying as someone who enjoys their content, everything that needed to be said has - he's doing it and that's that. I don't support his involvement with it, so I'm not going to watch it. If others feel stronger about it, do what you need. The same discussion over and over isn't going to do anything at the end of the day. That's all I'm getting at from someone who at one time liked reading the thread. Guess I'll stay out for the next week or so until it cools down again.
we don't know and i wish him the best, but it's a private thing
Yep. That was the same exact reason in my case as well. I dropped my pledge because I didn't like the way he handled and replied to this whole situation in his video from yesterday.
I know it impacts the other Allies too and it sucks but I did what I felt was right and detailed it in the exit survey.
I'll continue to support the other Allies on Twitch and however else I can but until I see something has changed and reassess my feelings on the matter, that's just how it is.
I'm from Romania. If that rings a bell in any way for you you may already know how we have to deal with the same kind of stuff here in Europe as well. In general, Eastern European countries are not really viewed in a positive light. And as a woman I can tell you that sexism is something you encounter almost everywhere you go. It sucks, but that's a reality we have to deal with.
EZA was very much a place where I didn't have to deal with that kind of crap and that's also why it's very important to discuss it.
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Yeah, but that's not what I get from his comments in Reddit. I'm not American, but here where I live Asians are very often seen as "one of the good ones" even in the eyes of blatant racists. I witnessed this just today at work. "There's nothing wrong with Asians, they have done great here. But these muslims...." and then hateful shit comes out. So in Finland this is atleast somewhat true, Asians don't face similar discrimination than people from Somalia in example. I have no idea about America and it's not something I'm questioning here.
Reddit comment "If Colin is trying to argue that the success of Asian Americans means there's no systematic racism against blacks then that's pretty silly." And Colin responds "I have no idea where I ever even insinuated that, but I guess people can continue to argue against things I never said, if that's what they want to do." Also to another poster who cited the education level and unemployment rate of Nigerians in America he replied "Okay, so there's racism against Nigerians? I don't know where I denied that."
It was annoying as hell to read that discussion. Just be clear what you mean if you truly think you are being misunderstood and don't sidestep the issue. It's likely that you are right, he doesn't want to show how clueless he truly is. Either way, he isn't making himself look good. If he is intentionally playing the victim or he thinks that there is no systematic racism in the US at all.
Thanks for this. Has he ever apologized for anything? That's a really horrible and dismissive way to tell someone that they are accepted. Like just say "I support the rights of transgender people". Dude is huge fucking asshole, I really hope that in the future members of EZA consider bit more who they are associating with. Moriarty is not about L&R at all.
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vocal minority.
when GT closed, fans followed the guys over to EZA because they liked hearing them talk about video games. the personality and sincerity that would come across in GT Time, Final Bosman, Mandatory Update, and the other shows we what made people gravitate towards the people on those shows, and it was cool when glimpses of their beliefs would slide out in conversation, but no one ever clicked on a video on GT saying "I wonder what they think about [social issue]," they never had to take stances and there was no reason for them to. anyway, the Patreon shot up to 5000 people within weeks of it opening because people liked hearing them talk about video games and video game news.
now the Patreon's up to 6200something, and on that cup of jones post from last week there ~200 comments about being miffed with what Brandon's doing. so by my math those other 6000 people either don't care, or are happy with it.
that's the exact point of the model minority stereotype, trying to paint it as if asians don't face any type of discrimination at all because of perceived success. the quote you gave is a perfect example of it.
Personally I think the worst thing that could come from this is if someone starts calling Jones racist or sexist because he appears in the same show as Colin who's said some inappropriate things in the past. I think Colin's biggest issue is his superiority complex, which isn't to diminish whatever he may have said that came across as racist or sexist, I just think a lot of his expressions stem from that mantra of his of wanting to be "right", you know, "#ColinWasRight". I don't believe for a second the man is actually racist, he just says a lot of shit before thinking, and before he knows it he'll have said something that really crosses the line for people of certain demographics. Yes, that's not the kind of figure you'd want as a public voice in gaming, but I find it to seem people are denouncing this guy as if he's some kind of devil.
Believe me, I totally get how rude or insenitive Colin can be at times, but I just don't think he has committed some sort of crime, which y'all seem to imply when you say that Jones joining him in conversation is so wrong that we have the entire EZA patreon and this hangout filled with controversial discussion over it. I'm really trying to wrap my head around this, and maybe I'm less sensitive than some others here. I just feel like this guy, stubborn as he is, toxic as he can be, can't be so bad that it somehow taints all of EZA by being in their vicinity.
If it was just disappointment or concerns I'd feel you all, but I've seen so many try to persuade and almost beg Jones out of doing this on social media, and I think it's really rude and entitled, and it's come to the point where the Allies are posting all sorts of statements on Twitter to try and manage this. Even Damiani had to assert that he is very left-winged just because people are so distrustful. I guess this is the effect Colin has in this day and age. I saw a lot of shittiness coming from him and his toxic followings trashing KF and being obnoxious, but I can't help but feel everything is blown needlessly out of proportions over a simple conversation that hasn't even happened, which might not even be controversial in its subject.
Also, I like to think a person is more than a set of political beliefs. Colin may be pretty right-wing and you may not like it, just as I don't really agree with him on any political stance he's taken. It still doesn't mean Jones is an advocate of his beliefs just by talking to him on his video games segment podcast.
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I'm with this line of thinking. I watch podcasts and streams to hear about games or listen to personalities I like. I honestly could care less what individual Brandon Jones decides to speak to. I don't think people are wrong for being upset about something like this, but exactly like video games, listening to this kind of coverage is also a mini escape for me so I'm not going to get upset about who talks to who or what someone thinks about a certain subject. That's not why I'm personally here anyway.
Same for me, I use Easy Allies to listen and discuss videos games. I would imagine most of us understand where the Allies are on issues, but I would never want to force them to pick a side or go public on things if they don't feel comfortable with it. If they want to fine, but it isn't up to us at the end of the day.
No one is forcing anyone. Everyone is exercising their freedom. There is no camp that wanted to force Brandon to do anything he didn't want.
Maybe it is just a superiority complex, but I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt when he double downs every single time. I don't think Jones is racist or sexist for going on the show and most people here don't think he is, but it at least gives the appearance that he doesn't particularly care about those issues. I'm not going to claim that is the case, I don't know him, but his statements on everything so far haven't painted a great picture.
Jones appearing is basically advertising Colin's show to his followers and by extension the EZA community in general. Those who have been targeted by Colin's words and actions (highlighting critical tweets for his toxic followers) are of course going to be upset to see Jones go on his show. Brandon can of course do what he wants and is apparently friends with Colin, but that doesn't mean people can't be upset by the decision. Frankly it is a bit mind boggling he ever thought it was a good idea, whether he wanted to collaborate with someone or not. Anyone paying attention to the industry should be aware of the possible backlash of working with Colin.
This is a direct result of the Allies refusal to clearly state their position on recent issues. It's not true for all of them and I'm not sure why anyone would question Damiani, but this is the result of not taking any position and then going on Colin's show. People are going to make assumptions, fair or not.
I'm more referencing the recent Other Site / IGN / Naughty Dog thing on the podcast.
When I was walking home from work I was thinking about the Eastern European countries and that there for sure is racism there (I didn't really know about the sexism, but I guess they go somewhat hand in hand unfortunately). I am also not saying Belgium doesn't have racism/sexism because we sure do. I guess I just don't encounter it a lot. I am a 188cm/+-6 ft 2 inch 100kg/220 lbs ish white male and I work at a University as an IT guy which has people from all over the world. Most of the people I interact with there are professors or PhD's/Postdocs. I am not saying racism/sexism doesn't exist there, but most of them are used to work with people from all around the world. On the street people usually don't start shit with me and when I had long hair (years ago now), people tended to cross the street when I was walking on the sidewalk (not sure why).
I can't imagine how hard some people must have it probably almost every day and it is indeed important that things like this get discussed. I still think that going on a podcast won't change the way the EZA community thinks about those issues, but if you feel you have to drop your pledge because of what Brandon did or did not talk about, it' your money and you have the right to make a statement that way (and who knows, maybe I would do the same thing if I was in your shoes).
Their "refusal" huh? Maybe they don't particularly agree with this "issue" in the first place. It'd be one thing if they openly endorsed racism or something or if one of the allies started ranting on Twitter like Colin would do, to piss off or scare away fans, but this really just sounds like a neutral conversation with another well known person from the industry to me. I don't think the Allies owe it to us to apologize or cancel an appointment with Colin Moriarty because we don't like him. That's a level of control even a community should not have in my opinion.
I didn't say they owe us anything, but people will make assumptions if you are "neutral" when you work with people with a questionable history.
Edit: Just to clarify my own position. I think Brandon is just friends with Colin and didn't think it would be a big deal to be on his show. I think that was an incredibly naive belief, but I don't think for a second it was malicious or anything. The response from the chunk of the community who cares about these issues though was incredibly predictable.
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I am not sure if it is the correct assumption that 6000 of them don't care or are happy with Jones going on there. A lot of them probably don't know the specifics, they don't watch Cup Of Jones (or didn't watch it yet) or they just didn't respond.
But I am sure it is safe to say it is a vocal minority none the less (which doesn't make their points any less valid).
There definitely is that, the Roma (or Romani) people are sadly the best example for that kind of racist treatment all over Europe. It's an awful situation in a lot of countries, but what I was specifically referring to is that in Europe, discrimination generally targets one's ethnicity instead of the race. As a Romanian simply visiting another country on business trips, I was faced with that kind of stuff.
Anyway, this is a bigger discussion and I don't want to derail the thread.
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Yes, but that's not EZA's fault. It's not because your try to see both sides of an argument or you don't react to something that you agree with what is happening.
But you are correct in that this is a big problem in how the internet works the last few years. You are not allowed to not take a stance on anything (I recently saw a video about this, I think it was Boogie2988).
It's not because people don't say specifically that they are opposed to racism that they are racist. To be honest, imo it is common sense that most people are opposed to racism (I hope so anyway for the sake of the world, I hope I am not wrong in that).
Be that as it may. Believe me, I know this isn't all cut and dried. You have to manage your activities as a content-creator group/journalists as to not tread on anyone's toes. I personally find reactions to Colin's character in general to be blown out of proportions still but it might speak to my own life experience and perhaps lack of insight. idk. I think I've said what I could on this matter for now. I still do appreciate people speaking their minds here, however I hope in a week or two this breeze will be over.
The community that followed the allies toward the end of their tenure at GT was a fair bit smaller than EZA.
It is frankly strange to pretend these issues are being elevated due to a vocal minority. Ian, Elyse, and when Brandon had Amanda on received a lot of flack. The toxic part of the community was there and present, and the vocal minority in the community tried to push back against it.
The increased viewership and new community brought in by the patreon could have changed the dynamic within the community so a desire for the allies to become more socially vocal shouldn't be seen as derisive as some make it seem.
Trying to say that it's the vocal minority isn't really an excuse either, as it may be an issue that affects that minority. Their views aren't any less legitimate. Also others may agree with the vocal minority, but for one reason or another choose not to speak up. Just because the vocal part of the community is a minority does not mean that their views don't extend beyond them.
If love and respect means anything more than console warriors playing nice with each other maybe it should be exemplified in situations such as this. If it's just about video games then maybe the allies should clarify.
Not everyone will comment on the cup of jones either though. Depends on where they comment or give feedback and if they ever do at all. I know I didn't give feedback on the EZA patron page, but did here.
...but I did the math
i counted that all as "don't care"
and I don't think anyone's point isn't valid, it just appears that, if you hopped into this thread without context, the opinion of the entire community would be that Brandon's doing an awful thing, when in reality it's the opinion of a small percentage of the community.
Generally speaking, when you have a platform you can use to denounce elements of a community that are toxic I think it's better to do so than remain silent. They can disagree and that's fine, I won't personally judge them for that if they want to stick to video games (though others certainly will). If they don't do that though, their outside actions will have a much larger impact on how they are viewed and going on Colin's show regardless of the reason is going to paint a certain picture. Like it or not Brandon is the face of EZA and his actions whether personal or not will affect the brand.
I have no idea what Boogie said, nor do I particularly care. He is the worst when it comes to being "neutral" while pandering to the most toxic elements of the gaming community.
I think calling it a "vocal minority" might be incorrect. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of EZA's Patron's basically have no idea about any of this. Cup of Jones this week has just over 800 views and the last week has 1,400 views. Also, i'm sure the majority of their Patron's are lurkers or whatnot and probably do not comment on anything they do.
With that said, I largely agree that EZA has largely been apolitical. I think reading between the lines we all kind of have an understanding where they lie on the political spectrum, but that's not what they specialize on in their video game coverage. They don't ignore the issues completely by any sense, but it's not their focus. And that right there is what makes this CM thing so jarring for me. CM is basically the one person whose politics you can't separate his "gaming" coverage from. Jones is appearing with a guy who has a Patreon dominated about his political beliefs. I find a lot of the things CM has done abhorrent over the years and when faced with any type of backlash his response typically has been to double or triple down without ever admitting he did anything wrong. Jones appearing with him ever so slightly "legitimizes" his gaming coverage which sucks, in my opinion.
When I think "L&R," CM is basically the complete polar opposite of that. That we are even talking about CM and his politics in what has been a largely happy and apolitical community just is real disappointing. I'm still FAR from pulling my support/sub from them or anything rash like that, but I won't lie, this sucks.
Eh, Boogie isn't the best person to take advice from when he's "both side"ing a racist. Like, yeah, in some cases looking at both sides can be good and enlightening and there can be a middle ground. But when one side is "being mean to people is bad" and the other side is "let me be mean to people" then taking the middle ground or both sides approach isn't a good look. Now, in this case I admit I don't know a whole lot about Colin (outside of making some sexist jokes and those tweets posted earlier and some other stuff that has been covered here and previously on GAF) so I don't really know (or remember) much about what he's said or done so I don't know if there is anything redeeming with Colin, like if he's apologised for his past actions and learnt from them (though some posters earlier wonder if he has ever said sorry for anything he's said so I don't know).
Either way, even if the common sense answer is "racism, sexism and being mean to people is bad" sometimes you still need to take that stance in a public manner to make sure those followers of yours that do think it's fine to be a piece of shit know you don't stand with them. It's why I was disappointed in them when they didn't mention anything with the recent sexual harassment issues outside of an eventual "we're not talking about it because there isn't any point because we agree its bad", like, obviously any decent person thinks they are bad but when you're in a position like they are you kinda of take that opportunity to tell you community you won't stand for that sort of behaviour.
In terms of numbers, yes, but I'm not entirely sure what it has to do with much. No ones calling for a backlash or saying other people should drop support and boycott. A number of people, who are certainly not a minority in this specific community we're posting in, do not feel comfortable supporting them financially anymore. That's fine, it's a personal decision.
Wasn't meant as an insult or anything like that, I just couldn't find a better phrase from it. I was just wondering what a general public opinion on the matter was.
Yes it's big HERE, and that may bleed over to comments on Patreon, but was thinking overall with all viewers and fans.
That first part is pretty much what I was getting at, thanks for putting in more effort than I did.
Don't worry, I know you didn't mean it as such. I've seen people use the "vocal minority" sentence too many times before and I just think it's slightly misguided to emphasize it.
As I see it, the issue is not with Brandon going to another podcast and doing his thing, is not that he will turn in to a racist for collaborating with Colin and it is not that he is doing it even with people from the community expressing concerns about it, no it is not that, he is able to make his own decisions and do as he finds better.
The issue is how he pretty much didnt take a stance, it is in how he pretty much ignored how Colin sent his fans to harrass a member of the community who showed concerns about this on twitter, and how he also ignored how Colin himself either mock or enjoyed another person ripping off one of the Allies in public.
This is the issue, he is willing to ignore all of this just to get into a big platform, like Colin's show, and do a collaboration.
Colin always act the same way, offends as much people as he can and then denies that he did it intentionally. A clear example was how he quoted the tweet from the guy showing concerns about a possible collaboration. He know who his followers are and how they act, because they have done things like this before, yet he quoted the tweet without censoring the name or handle, he knew exactly what he was doing and the poor guy had to closed his account thanks to Colin.
So for anyone who think we should be ok with these kind of things, with people like that joining a community we've been part of since day one, well think again. I wont be part of that.
The issue is how he pretty much didnt take a stance, it is in how he pretty much ignored how Colin sent his fans to harrass a member of the community who showed concerns about this on twitter, and how he also ignored how Colin himself either mock or enjoyed another person ripping off one of the Allies in public.
This is the issue, he is willing to ignore all of this just to get into a big platform, like Colin's show, and do a collaboration.
Colin always act the same way, offends as much people as he can and then denies that he did it intentionally. A clear example was how he quoted the tweet from the guy showing concerns about a possible collaboration. He know who his followers are and how they act, because they have done things like this before, yet he quoted the tweet without censoring the name or handle, he knew exactly what he was doing and the poor guy had to closed his account thanks to Colin.
So for anyone who think we should be ok with these kind of things, with people like that joining a community we've been part of since day one, well think again. I wont be part of that.
Yuppppppp. Agreed. Nothing more to add. There are a million issues at play here but this is the one that keeps getting pushed aside the most and it pissed me off. The allies shouldn't be working with people who actively attack our community. Funniest thing is that I don't think they are going to see any sort of noticeable boost from going on colins show so all of this drama will have no tangible gain for the allies.
Just watched CoJ. It was definitely...interesting.
It was nice that he gave airtime to different perspectives. But all in all, it was a long winded way to say "i hear you. I get it. I'm totally doing it anyways so oh well. "
Which personally I'm totally fine with. I really don't have a problem with Colin like a lot of people. But either way I'll be happy for all this controversy to blow over so we can just get back to games
It was nice that he gave airtime to different perspectives. But all in all, it was a long winded way to say "i hear you. I get it. I'm totally doing it anyways so oh well. "
Which personally I'm totally fine with. I really don't have a problem with Colin like a lot of people. But either way I'll be happy for all this controversy to blow over so we can just get back to games
There isn't any "just get back to games" in the real world and Jones even said as much, saying they would probably be more political in the future.
Hm, I'd even be more comfortable with Jones doing whatever with Colin, if Jones and EZA in general would just take a clear stance on these matters. It's far easier to interpret this collaboration as an attempt at something positive, as I'm sure Jones sees it that way, if you're willing to speak up against certain actions of Colin and members of the community he has cultivated that folks in the EZA community are concerned about.
I know there has been a desire on some of the Allies' end to remain apolitical. It's not something I particularly agree with, but it's a desire I understand to a degree and it tends to work for the most part. But if you're going to collaborate with someone like CM, a man that has shaped his entire public personality around his political beliefs, silence becomes far more of an issue. Jones touched briefly upon these concerns in the latest CoJ, and some of the things he said in regards to this did give me some hope EZA might improve in this department in the future, but at the same time he was seemingly trying to skirt around these issues with his avoidance of addressing certain concerns. Not the vibe I wanted to get from him at this point.
I mean, I get it, it's not within his personality to be confrontational in the slightest. And I actually do appreciate this about him. But in this day and age you just need to say something.
I always see some concerns about the mood whenever these threads aren't all jolly vibes and I do get why it might hurt to see the thread this way, but really it's a pretty silly concern. Of course people will "move on". I'm very much in the anti-Colin camp and I definitely don't think people will be forgetting about this anytime soon, but if you're worried about the discussion in this thread, don't be. When we have something new to discuss that'll still happen. PSX and the Game Awards are coming up soon, that's big. It'll get talked about. But of course that podcast episode will release too, so you can except more of this discussion then. That's normal. And it won't fracture this community, I'm not seeing a lot of heated disagreement here except for that one person who got banned. If anything it's good we're having the discussion.
I know there has been a desire on some of the Allies' end to remain apolitical. It's not something I particularly agree with, but it's a desire I understand to a degree and it tends to work for the most part. But if you're going to collaborate with someone like CM, a man that has shaped his entire public personality around his political beliefs, silence becomes far more of an issue. Jones touched briefly upon these concerns in the latest CoJ, and some of the things he said in regards to this did give me some hope EZA might improve in this department in the future, but at the same time he was seemingly trying to skirt around these issues with his avoidance of addressing certain concerns. Not the vibe I wanted to get from him at this point.
I mean, I get it, it's not within his personality to be confrontational in the slightest. And I actually do appreciate this about him. But in this day and age you just need to say something.
I always see some concerns about the mood whenever these threads aren't all jolly vibes and I do get why it might hurt to see the thread this way, but really it's a pretty silly concern. Of course people will "move on". I'm very much in the anti-Colin camp and I definitely don't think people will be forgetting about this anytime soon, but if you're worried about the discussion in this thread, don't be. When we have something new to discuss that'll still happen. PSX and the Game Awards are coming up soon, that's big. It'll get talked about. But of course that podcast episode will release too, so you can except more of this discussion then. That's normal. And it won't fracture this community, I'm not seeing a lot of heated disagreement here except for that one person who got banned. If anything it's good we're having the discussion.
I haven't actually read his tweets in a while and that twitter thread is unbelievably frustrating to go through. I'm legitimately disappointed that Brandon reads those comments of his and then thinks Colin is worth anybody's time. The person speaking with Colin was being as respectable and informative as possible and Colin's massive ego and disgusting lack of empathy shows its face in every written exchange and he just behaves like an absolute piece of shit. The dude just refuses to listen.
C'mon Brandon...
This is the biggie. It feels like Jones is throwing Allies under the bus for a shot at a different audience.
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If jones was doing this for a big audience he could have done a lot better than Colin
It is frustrating to read indead. That said, while I agree he is wrong, It seems to me he at least tried to have a conversation and I am not sure he wanted to attack anyone in those 4 posts. He should probably learn to phrase his thoughts better for sure as the first part of the first one doesn't come over well at all. How I read the last one is him getting angry about not being able to make himself understood like he wants to.
He shouldn't do this and he probably should have stayed out of Brandon's post to begin with, but I am not 100% sure he meant harm (I can't be sure of course, maybe he did, I don't know him).
Again, I am not defending his behavior, but it is possible it comes over worse than he means it to be.
I hope I am not getting in too deep as I don't know a lot about it myself and don't know the correct terms/way of saying this so I hope nobody feels attacked (and I don't make too much of an ass of myself): I myself am not always sure how I should address some people of the LGBTQ community/nonbinary people. To be honest, I don't think I have seen anything about this before joining this community, so I am quite new to it.
It makes it difficult to address people sometimes because I am not sure how they want me to address them. I am not saying this is wrong to want this (I don't mind doing so either), but for somebody who isn't used to that, it is difficult to do the right thing.
I want to learn more about this and I have seen some posts by Noah pointing to some websites and read them a bit, but still it is difficult to remember for me. It is quite possible it is the same for other people who aren't used to the prenouns.
Again, I hope I didn't offend anyone, If I did, let me know what I did wrong so I can learn. It is honestly something I was pondering over a few times before.
Fair point, and that actually makes it worse. At least burn your bridges for someone with more clout.
Yeah, it was! No moles, multiple moles, all moles. I think that'd all work.
The problem is that that conversation started with this:
https://twitter.com/gray_north/status/933495092874067968
So he was already aware that his behaviour was offensive. That individual and one other person went into detail to explain why that kind of behaviour (comparing nonbinary genders to inanimate objects) is transphobic and hurtful to nonbinary people. He then went on to say "Cool. I think you should be able to identify as an oak tree if that's what makes you happy. Or a stop sign. Or a woman." If you don't think Colin knows what the impact of his words are here, you're basically saying he is unable to pick up on social cues and has no reading comprehension, because he was literally just told that was offensive, and yet he did it again anyway. Because he doesn't care. If someone was talking to a minority and they explained how a certain phrase or word is used in a racist way against them, would any empathetic and decent person immediately use that word against them? He was asked to listen to transgender people, and basically just dismissed them instead. This is why people say that dialogue with Colin goes nowhere.
Yeah, ok. There is no excuse for that type of reaction. I didn't see the beginning of that thread, just the few posts that were posted here.
That's not really a way to react when you obviously hurt someones feelings.
Yeah, and it's why reading that twitter thread always makes me really upset. As a heterosexual and cisgender person, I can't imagine ignoring LGBTQ people when they try to explain why something is hurtful or harmful towards them. It's just incredibly arrogant and cruel to pretend that you know more about these issues than them, or that you have a better grasp of what they have to go through on a daily basis. Sadly from what I have seen this is how Colin reacts in every kind of situation that is similar to this.
I 100 % agree with this comment. Nothing more to say. Do we know for sure that no one posted this ( EZA fan had to close account due to CM fan-base abuse) to Brandon's Twitter and or/messaged him about this specifically on Patreon?
I know some have expressed that we aren't doing enough to defend Ian and Damiani, but I'm honestly not sure what that looks like to you. It seems out of place to interrupt a regular show to make a statement along those lines, and as I mentioned, I do clean up YouTube comments and respond to people there from time to time. I also think it's clear that we stand by them as we've never considered taking Ian off the podcast or anything as some people demand.
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