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TimeFire

Avenger
Nov 26, 2017
9,625
Brazil
Do review bombs even do anything? Seems like a waste of energy that could be spent playing/re-playing your favorite Pokémon game instead if you're that unhappy with the direction the series is going.
 

Coricus

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,537
Like I'm speakin' with my wallet as much as the next person, but let's just say if even half this kinda pent up energy was put into banging on Nintendo's door for an Uprising sequel instead of acting like a bunch of embarrassments on the internet maybe I'd actually stand a chance of getting one and when you put it that way really I'm even more disappointed in everyone involved than I would be in a vacuum.

All the defense people have been rising up to give genwunners as of late makes knots in my stomach though, I've seen multiple fandoms worth of that entity of raw hate and they've earned all the pushback they get and then some. And if we're going to resort to metaphors that make anyone who disagrees look bad, attempting to provide anything resembling defense to that subculture is like both sidesing the Alt-Right and that's way more on the nose than it should be.
 

TimeFire

Avenger
Nov 26, 2017
9,625
Brazil
Like I'm speakin' with my wallet as much as the next person, but let's just say if even half this kinda pent up energy was put into banging on Nintendo's door for an Uprising sequel instead of acting like a bunch of embarrassments on the internet maybe I'd actually stand a chance of getting one and when you put it that way really I'm even more disappointed in everyone involved than I would be in a vacuum.

All the defense people have been rising up to give genwunners as of late makes knots in my stomach though, I've seen multiple fandoms worth of that entity of raw hate and they've earned all the pushback they get and then some. And if we're going to resort to metaphors that make anyone who disagrees look bad, attempting to provide anything resembling defense to that subculture is like both sidesing the Alt-Right and that's way more on the nose than it should be.

Hey, I'm game if you're game, Coricus. I can bring the torches! Uprising deserves a sequel!
 

Mr G

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
219
Netherlands
If just seeing a non-gen one Pokémon in online multiplayer (which Let's Go doesn't even have besides friends) is enough to ruin your experience, that sounds like a personal problem.


If you want to put these people that are stuck in 1999 on a pedestal, go ahead I guess, but I don't see anything particularly admirable about wanting to throw away all the progress the series has made because "muh nostalgia".

The Let's Go hate is less of a symptom of a lack of faith in Gen 8 and more of a cause.

The Let's Go announcement changed things because it took what were generally viewed as two of the larger problems with recent mainline Pokémon, the increasingly easy difficulty and incessant Gen 1 pandering to the point it's been overshadowing the new content, and doubled down on them so hard that a sizable contingent of people just sort of lost all faith that Game Freak might actually course correct. Before that there were actually some positive steps being taken, as Sun and Moon, despite their flaws, were somewhat of a step in the right direction. Like I said around when Let's Go was announced, it was like it was engineered to be the most disappointing possible announcement for the core Pokémon fanbase.

I'm sorry but this really is a fanboy entitlement problem, this game was meant for new players, people who played pokemon and for people who remember the first gen.
They never said this game is for the core pokemon players.
I also started with blue, played every game that came after it and i really enjoy this title.
Being able to replay the first game without having to grind like crazy is a godsend, i'm not hoping the next mainline is like this but it's a breath of fresh air to play like this.
 

Black_Red

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,929
Well, at least his thread has been very insightful. I see something like a game being review-bombed for being too accessible to new players, and I think "what kind of fucking loser would do something like that? What's their mindset?" And then I can just read here and have my questions answered. So thanks to all the suspiciously overly defensive people in this thread for teaching me something today.
Ive seen NO ONE complain about the game being accesible , in fact Pokémon games have always been accesible and have 0 difficulty until after you beat the game.

Then you have optional "Challenges" (battle Frontier) and Mulliplayer.

People complain about this game removing content and options and cathering exclusively to one group of players instead of everyone.


I learned to play videogames with Pokémon without understanding english, my sister did too.
And suddenly the games can't have ítems or ranked battles because that might confuse some people
 

AppleKid

Member
Feb 21, 2018
2,543
All it tells GF, is there is a small vocal minority when this ships millions upon millions of units and that they made a good decision.
Eh, it is still telling them there are people really unhappy with this game in a way that hasn't been expressed before (and there have been a handful released now since "review bombing" has been a thing for valid comparison). The points you have listed are much more important and likely all that will matter in the end, but there is a chance they will pay a little more attention to the criticisms this time. (Shrug)

For the record, I am enjoying the game. Just wish it wasn't so damn easy and that I didn't have to run with a fully unevolved team to make it a challenge. All Pokémon games are relatively easy, but this one has been an extreme for me.

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In before the usual suspects

Lolol don't even know which side is considered the salty one at this point. Have been so many arguments made by both to justify and discredit this game
 

Deleted member 8674

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
5,240
But why?

I mean harsh criticism (not trolling) on ERA is that person opinion and I harshly criticized the game but people review the game and giving it 0? Aside from quality it's a functional game so 0 score doesn't make any sense.
 

NiteJohn

Member
Oct 25, 2017
255
No REMAKE has ever been missing the ability to have all prior Pokemon in it. If you are counting Sapphire and Ruby, they were missing 45% of all Pokemon at the time of its release, Let's Go is missing 81%, it's not even comparable.

No
The Pokemon were in the game in Gen 3
They just werent as easy to obtain.
You coul trade Pokrmon from Emeral or from FRLG back to RS.
And from then on you transfer them to every following generation
So this isnt the same.
The Point was that there was a game where you couldn't get every Pokemon released at the time.
And say " Well you just need to buy FRLG and Colosseum to get Pokemon like the Pokemon you grew up with" is really weak. Waiting two year to get every Pokemon also is weak.

Yes, but in both cases you had the option to trade in all your favorites in the postgame. In FRLF I could've evolved my Globat to a Crobat, or a Scyther to a Scizor. In Let's Go I can't do that, and Masuda has openly stated they won't add that feature in a future update.
Even If they said they won't, they still can. The couldn't with RS.

I not even saying that people can't be upset about there being only 151(tech. 153) Pokemon shouldn't be upset. I was upset too. But don't pretend something like this didn't happen before. Like I could say it always happens every Gen since Third Gen, especially after Fifth. The Bank always doesn't work for a year. So really this has been a thing for years.
 

Keyouta

The Wise Ones
Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,198
Canada
I don't really like Let's Go much. I haven't played it, but looking at footage it's not where I want the Pokemon franchise to go in the future, since this is under the core series umbrella. There are good parts that I think should be taken but I hope next year's games are the true step forward.
Which is why this is ridiculous. I don't know why people were expecting a new generation game two years after S/M's launch. And we know they're coming next year. No surprised. Pretty sad to get mad to the point of mass fake reviews
 

Skux

Member
Oct 26, 2017
2,942
I've said it before, I'll always condone review bombing and mass disliking/downvoting as a form of consumer protest, whether it's for restrictive DRM, shoddy performance and bugs, poor workforce practices, bad behaviour by the developers, the inclusion of pay-to-win microtransactions, or anything else. Some people are disappointed in the direction of the franchise and this gives them an outlet to express that. Is it misusing the platform of user reviews for an unintended purpose? Yes, and that's the whole point.
 

MisterHero

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,934
I've said it before, I'll always condone review bombing and mass disliking/downvoting as a form of consumer protest, whether it's for restrictive DRM, shoddy performance and bugs, poor workforce practices, bad behaviour by the developers, the inclusion of pay-to-win microtransactions, or anything else. Some people are disappointed in the direction of the franchise and this gives them an outlet to express that. Is it misusing the platform of user reviews for an unintended purpose? Yes, and that's the whole point.
Lmao Let's Go is none of the things listed

Maybe the non-users are wrong
 

KillstealWolf

One Winged Slayer
Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
16,099
The Point was that there was a game where you couldn't get every Pokemon released at the time.
And say " Well you just need to buy FRLG and Colosseum to get Pokemon like the Pokemon you grew up with" is really weak. Waiting two year to get every Pokemon also is weak.


Even If they said they won't, they still can. The couldn't with RS.

I not even saying that people can't be upset about there being only 151(tech. 153) Pokemon shouldn't be upset. I was upset too. But don't pretend something like this didn't happen before. Like I could say it always happens every Gen since Third Gen, especially after Fifth. The Bank always doesn't work for a year. So really this has been a thing for years.

The big difference however since Gen 3 is they released Pokemon Bank. An annual subscription service that can store all your pokemon in and comes with pokemon transfer let you transfer your pokemon between games and generations. Let's Go does not have Bank Support at the moment. When or If it does get Bank Support, it will not allow transferring pokemon from other generations. So if you did pay for Bank earlier this year expected to transfer your pokemon into this game, they would be frustrated that they can't.

It's the same with Go itself. Go is up going through the Sinnoh Dex at the moment, yet despite being advertised as a game for Go players, you can't transfer over any Johto, Hoenn or Sinnoh Pokemon you have caught to this game because of simplifying things. Yeah Shedinja isn't going to work without abilities, but one questions why abilities were cut in the first place when more complex mechanics like Mega Evolutions were kept in.
 

NiteJohn

Member
Oct 25, 2017
255
The big difference however since Gen 3 is they released Pokemon Bank. An annual subscription service that can store all your pokemon in and comes with pokemon transfer let you transfer your pokemon between games and generations. Let's Go does not have Bank Support at the moment. When or If it does get Bank Support, it will not allow transferring pokemon from other generations. So if you did pay for Bank earlier this year expected to transfer your pokemon into this game, they would be frustrated that they can't.

It's the same with Go itself. Go is up going through the Sinnoh Dex at the moment, yet despite being advertised as a game for Go players, you can't transfer over any Johto, Hoenn or Sinnoh Pokemon you have caught to this game because of simplifying things. Yeah Shedinja isn't going to work without abilities, but one questions why abilities were cut in the first place when more complex mechanics like Mega Evolutions were kept in.
My point and argument is that, it has happen before so you can really say it didn't. That the thing I called out. When RS released there was no way to get a lot of Pokemon. And most people didn't know about FRLG's existence.

Being upset that they're not let people transfer Pokemon from Go or the Bank is valid. But keep Pokemon locked away is a old tradition of Game Freak.

I can just point to my avatar. Not in XY(even though its opposite was), and the Bank wasn't available for months.
 

dean_rcg

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,270
I've said it before, I'll always condone review bombing and mass disliking/downvoting as a form of consumer protest, whether it's for restrictive DRM, shoddy performance and bugs, poor workforce practices, bad behaviour by the developers, the inclusion of pay-to-win microtransactions, or anything else. Some people are disappointed in the direction of the franchise and this gives them an outlet to express that. Is it misusing the platform of user reviews for an unintended purpose? Yes, and that's the whole point.

If you haven't consumed it, you're not a consumer.
 

HotHamBoy

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
16,423
This is the type of things that kind seriously pull me away from gamers. That's why we gamers can NEVER be taken seriously. This is so shameful !!!
Well, arguably the term "gamers" these days is a label for the subset of people who take video games far too seriously, especially anyone who ascribes that label to themselves.

Video games are enjoyed by pretty much everyone these days and the industry rivals Hollywood. Almost as common as watching a movie and we don't call people who like movies "filmers."
 

KillstealWolf

One Winged Slayer
Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
16,099
My point and argument is that, it has happen before so you can really say it didn't. That the thing I called out. When RS released there was no way to get a lot of Pokemon. And most people didn't know about FRLG's existence.

Being upset that they're not let people transfer Pokemon from Go or the Bank is valid. But keep Pokemon locked away is a old tradition of Game Freak.

I can just point to my avatar. Not in XY(even though its opposite was), and the Bank wasn't available for months.

They did it once, every generation from Gen 4 onwards has let you transfer pokemon from previous versions of the game, and also had GTS to help those who skipped out on the previous games get pokemon from them.

I would not call it an "Old Tradition". If there's old pokemon you wanted, you could reasonably get it through either Transfers/Banks or GTS.

Bank was 2 months after X/Y Release initially before it got delayed another 2 months. But we knew long in advance before the game launched that was how it was going to be handled. We haven't had any confirmation for Bank support for LGPE at all.
 

Sho_Nuff82

Member
Nov 14, 2017
18,444
Right now the system is too unbalanced in which negative trolling can have a much higher weight than over hyping. You can give 1s if you're strolling which will bring down the average by 6-7-8 points, but you can only hype it to 10 which will only only bring it up 1-2-3 points. What I'm suggesting is already applied in statistical science in the form of outlier removal.

You're banned and can't see this, but removing 100s of data points that don't fit your hypothesis of what the data *should* be isn't outlier removal, it's gaming the data.
 

shan780

The Fallen
Nov 2, 2017
2,566
UK
Well, arguably the term "gamers" these days is a label for the subset of people who take video games far too seriously, especially anyone who ascribes that label to themselves.

Video games are enjoyed by pretty much everyone these days and the industry rivals Hollywood. Almost as common as watching a movie and we don't call people who like movies "filmers."

I know lots of people that call themselves movie buffs
 

NiteJohn

Member
Oct 25, 2017
255
They did it once, every generation from Gen 4 onwards has let you transfer pokemon from previous versions of the game, and also had GTS to help those who skipped out on the previous games get pokemon from them.

I would not call it an "Old Tradition". If there's old pokemon you wanted, you could reasonably get it through either Transfers/Banks or GTS.

Bank was 2 months after X/Y Release initially before it got delayed another 2 months. But we knew long in advance before the game launched that was how it was going to be handled. We haven't had any confirmation for Bank support for LGPE at all.
The person I first replied to said it never happened before. I called that a lie because it did happen before. No matter how easy or hard its been to transfer since. You couldn't trade between GS and RS.

My point with the Bank is that, for both of the most recent Gens they've arbitrarily made it impossible to get Pokemon for months. That not even getting to having to pay for them.
 

Pablo Mesa

Banned
Nov 23, 2017
6,878
Personally I not thrilled by the concept of LG, but the counter reaction to it (even counting several people here) has been utterly ridiculous, several folds over when its was stated day 1 this was not the next gen Pokemon but a bridge to lure in PGO players into dedicated hardware rather than just mobile.
 

shan780

The Fallen
Nov 2, 2017
2,566
UK
The person I first replied to said it never happened before. I called that a lie because it did happen before. No matter how easy or hard its been to transfer since. You couldn't trade between GS and RS.

My point with the Bank is that, for both of the most recent Gens they've arbitrarily made it impossible to get Pokemon for months. That not even getting to having to pay for them.

you couldn't transfer from gen 2 to 3 because of technical limitations, not because GF decided to just remove content

the bank stuff is really dumb too, but at least you can get your Pokemon over eventually
 

HotHamBoy

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
16,423
I know lots of people that call themselves movie buffs
Movie buffs are just pepple who knoe a lot about the trivia and BTS knowledge of films and tend to be enthusiastic about technical filmmaking.

"Gamers" are, more often than not, just people who play a lot of games. Most people watch a lot of movies, they aren't film buffs.
 

OrangeNova

Member
Oct 30, 2017
12,669
Canada
This whole thing has been silly for me, I'm sitting here enjoying Fallout 76 and Pokemon Lets Go, and they're getting review bombed by people upset that it's not exactly what they want.
 

HotHamBoy

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
16,423
This whole thing has been silly for me, I'm sitting here enjoying Fallout 76 and Pokemon Lets Go, and they're getting review bombed by people upset that it's not exactly what they want.
Fallout 76 is getting shredded by critics as well.

It's not because it isn't what people wanted, it's because the game is a total piece of shit. Comparing the reception of 76 to LetsGo is ridiculous.
 

OrangeNova

Member
Oct 30, 2017
12,669
Canada
Fallout 76 is getting shredded by critics as well.

It's not because it isn't what people wanted, it's because the game is a total piece of shit. Comparing the reception of 76 to LetsGo is ridiculous.
It's honestly pretty fun to play with a group of friends, I haven't encountered any game breaking issues during my 30-ish hours of play.
 

HotHamBoy

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
16,423
It's honestly pretty fun to play with a group of friends, I haven't encountered any game breaking issues during my 30-ish hours of play.
You can make a lot of shit "fun with friends."

I think the criticism is well-deserved based on the product delivered but if you can find fun in it then more power to ya.
 

Weltall Zero

Game Developer
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
19,343
Madrid
Can you leave a review on Amazon for a product you didn't buy? User reviews on a site that has no way to know if you actually purchased the product are useless. Averaging these reviews is even more useless.
 

LunaSerena

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,525
Truly those guys need to get a life.

Being so salty over a game can't be healthy. Specially when the dev announced that a game catering to their tastes is coming next year.
 

NiteJohn

Member
Oct 25, 2017
255
you couldn't transfer from gen 2 to 3 because of technical limitations, not because GF decided to just remove content

the bank stuff is really dumb too, but at least you can get your Pokemon over eventually
There was some technical difficulties. But it was entirely possible to have the data from GS read by RS. Or have a On-site transfer stations at Gamestop or Toys-R-Us. It just wasn't worth trying so they didn't. Even if it wasn't possible, you still couldn't get all released Pokemon in RS for two years. Even post-game.

Again my point isn't that the exact same thing happen. It was that it not the first time it happened. If you don't like that all Pokemon are not going to be in Let's GO that fine. But saying that this is the first time you couldn't get all Pokemon is a bit silly.
 

Pokemaniac

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,944
I'm not too sure that many of the people with low expectations for Gen 8 agree with this.
While I'm somewhat giving my own perspective here, I do still stand by that things were considerably less bleak before the Let's Go announcement. The outlook wasn't exactly positive, but it certainly wasn't as bad as it is now.
That a lie. It happen twice. And the first time it happen it was a hard cut that people had to wait years to fix.

And this is just another reason why i hope Game Freak completely ignores the hardcore fanbase an just do their own thing.

Not only the review bombing is ridiculous, the whole Pokemon fanbase has been for a great while. Every new Pokemon game announcement becomes a big "How dare they" with Gen 8 being the epítome of it because it hasn't even been shown and there's already a preemptive "How dare they" coming out of every single hardcore "fan"'s mouth.

Edit: Pokemaniac didn't play gen 3 it seems...

There were no Pokémon missing in Gen 3. It took longer than normal for them all to become legitimately available because they had to cut backwards compatibility, but there were none missing.

Let's Go is decidedly the only time that it has been 100% impossible to have a particular released Pokémon via any means.
 

PCPace

Member
Oct 30, 2017
1,841
Alabama
Ive seen NO ONE complain about the game being accesible , in fact Pokémon games have always been accesible and have 0 difficulty until after you beat the game.

Then you have optional "Challenges" (battle Frontier) and Mulliplayer.

People complain about this game removing content and options and cathering exclusively to one group of players instead of everyone.


I learned to play videogames with Pokémon without understanding english, my sister did too.
And suddenly the games can't have ítems or ranked battles because that might confuse some people
It's extremely accessible in terms of setting your own difficulty and learning the systems of the game, but there are some valid complaints about physical accessibility for people with limited range of movement or an inability to hold a console perfectly steady, which would be remedied with toggles for gyro and enabling handheld type controls on docked mode.
 

Amiibola

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
2,255
There were no Pokémon missing in Gen 3. It took longer than normal for them all to become legitimately available

Longer and more money!

Look, man, if you want a full pokedex on any Gen 3 game you need

Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald
GBA Link cable
A gamecube
Pokemon Colosseum
Pokemon Gale of Darkness
A gba to gc link cable
Pokemon LGFR
Pokemon Channel (For Jirachi)

If you ask me, that's WAY Worse than limiting a game to the original 150, because at the very least the later is honest, while the former is monetization at its worse.

So yeah, say what you will, you Really haven't played Gen 3
 

Deleted member 873

User requested account closure
Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,463
nintendo fans can get really ugly when they don't get exactly what they were hyping based on nothing but fantasy and fake rumors
 

Mariachi507

Member
Oct 26, 2017
5,298
A bunch of entitled brats, the whole fucking lot of them.

I wasn't initially going to buy this game (because of a lack of time) but now it's a must have.
 
Nov 9, 2017
3,777
I always give a quick glance at user reviews. Helped me to learn to not buy anti-consumer products. IE I would have never known Bethesda had blocked user mods and sold their own for a profit in Fallout 4 without user reviews TBH.
 

Deleted member 35077

Self-requested ban
Banned
Dec 1, 2017
3,999
I not even saying that people can't be upset about there being only 151(tech. 153) Pokemon shouldn't be upset. I was upset too. But don't pretend something like this didn't happen before. Like I could say it always happens every Gen since Third Gen, especially after Fifth. The Bank always doesn't work for a year. So really this has been a thing for years.
Problem is they can't with this game as GF purposely only added models for 153 pokemon in this game + extra forms, and nothing more. It is explicitly clear that they won't add the rest as an update. This is even worst than back than as I could at least trade in my favorites from my brothers game, or get desperate and use my friends cheating device.