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Piecake

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Oct 27, 2017
2,298
Something is wrong: In the midst of the worst drug overdose crisis in US history, the price for a life-saving drug has increased sixfold.

Kaleo has hiked the price of its naloxone drug by 600 percent — from $575 to $4,100 — over the last four years. According to a new investigative report from Sens. Rob Portman (R-OH) and Tom Carper (D-DE), the drug company wanted to "capitalize on the opportunity" presented by America's opioid crisis. More than 70,000 people died of drug overdoses in 2017.

Thankfully, EVZIO isn't the only version of naloxone — which quickly reverses the effects of an opioid overdose, saving thousands of lives over the years — available. There is also a nasal spray lay people can use as well as generic versions of the drug.

Still, this is the story of a company that set a debut price twice as high as outside experts recommended. Then, when the market didn't materialize as it hoped, didn't course-correct — instead, EVZIO hiked the price even more.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...61/opioid-overdose-naloxone-evzio-drug-prices
 

Deleted member 23850

Oct 28, 2017
8,689
Medicine is the FIRST thing that should be commodified or be made easy to obtain and cheap when needed. Fuck Big Pharma.
 

Kernel

Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,889
Late stage capitalism.

Cause the crisis and then jack up the price of a cure.

It's like the plot of MI:2
 

leder

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,111
Massively jacking up the price of life saving drugs, brought to you by the same fuckers who engineered the opioid crisis.
 

Brakke

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
3,798
This drug stories get complicated. This is shitty but the company isn't endangering lives,

Some commercial health plans were expected to keep covering the drug, but under the new model, Kaleo would cover any copays, and for patients whose insurance didn't cover the drug, Kaleo would provide it to the patient at no charge.
Shkreli was the same model. "The price" is a messy term in healthcare, because patients generally don't pay it, if they pay anything. This is *looting*, not extortion. Exploiting the system, not patients.

This is a wild way to end the story though, without any follow-up,

According to the company, they have never turned a profit on EVZIO.
That doesn't seem like the sort of thing they could just lie about, but I'm not especially inclined to believe them. This seems like a crucial detail for understanding this story, but I'm not surprised Vox didn't report it out.
 

Stinkles

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
20,459
Literally someone in a room saying, "we calculated police departments, fire departments and paramedics would rather eat the cost and pass it down to taxpayers than let people die, and taxpayers will accept that even though they hate taxes, because they don't want people to die either. But we're golden. Some people will read about it and hate us but we will change our name in three years and everyone will forget because some new outrage will be along any minute.
 

Kirblar

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Oct 25, 2017
30,744
Didnt work here because of market competition.

The issue has been when this is done when the drug is either limited (small market, no copyright, naturally creates a single supplier) or w epipens where the brand name is so ridiculously strong.
 

danm999

Member
Oct 29, 2017
17,132
Sydney
This drug stories get complicated. This is shitty but the company isn't endangering lives,

Some commercial health plans were expected to keep covering the drug, but under the new model, Kaleo would cover any copays, and for patients whose insurance didn't cover the drug, Kaleo would provide it to the patient at no charge.
Shkreli was the same model. "The price" is a messy term in healthcare, because patients generally don't pay it, if they pay anything. This is *looting*, not extortion. Exploiting the system, not patients.

This is a wild way to end the story though, without any follow-up,

According to the company, they have never turned a profit on EVZIO.
That doesn't seem like the sort of thing they could just lie about, but I'm not especially inclined to believe them. This seems like a crucial detail for understanding this story, but I'm not surprised Vox didn't report it out.

According to the article, they're making their money off of Medicare and Medicaid.

That does end up hurting patients, because those resources could be going elsewhere instead of to companies who are artificially raising the prices.
 

turtle553

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Oct 25, 2017
2,227
They were on 60 minutes yesterday. Seemed like an issue with insurance middle men not covering it when it was prescribed along opioids. So they make money on the plans that cover and give it free to everyone else. A broken system.
 

jb1234

Very low key
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Oct 25, 2017
7,232
Seems like a really bad business decision when a generic is available.
 

danm999

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Oct 29, 2017
17,132
Sydney
They were on 60 minutes yesterday. Seemed like an issue with insurance middle men not covering it when it was prescribed along opioids. So they make money on the plans that cover and give it free to everyone else. A broken system.

Essentially.

Nobody wanted to buy their drug at $600. Now, if the free market worked in the way it does in fairy tales, a lack of demand would see the price of the drug drop.

But instead they jacked up the price to $4000 knowing Medicare and Medicaid would still be on the hook.

They sort of also give away the game that they mightn't be the only ones doing this;

The rationale for that first increase, as described in the Senate report, is telling: A company executive asserted "such post-launch price increases were 'standard' in the pharmaceutical industry."

Of course this still fucks patients over, just not those on insurance, but those on Medicare and Medicaid, because the money that could have gone to other places in those programs goes to Kaleo.
 

WarLox

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Oct 30, 2017
574
The research, development, and trial testing of this drug was probably made possible by raising the price of a different drug. Now this going to fund other things.

It's easy to point fingers and criticize, but I dont see anyone donating to nonprofit pharmaceutical companies. Lol
 

turtle553

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Oct 25, 2017
2,227
The research, development, and trial testing of this drug was probably made possible by raising the price of a different drug. Now this going to fund other things.

It's easy to point fingers and criticize, but I dont see anyone donating to nonprofit pharmaceutical companies. Lol

They didn't actually develop the drug, just the voice guiding injector.
 

danm999

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Oct 29, 2017
17,132
Sydney
The research, development, and trial testing of this drug was probably made possible by raising the price of a different drug. Now this going to fund other things.

It's easy to point fingers and criticize, but I dont see anyone donating to nonprofit pharmaceutical companies. Lol

By their own admission they made no money off of it and all they seemed to have done is basically bilk hundreds of millions out of the government, so nah.
 

Juturna

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Oct 27, 2017
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The research, development, and trial testing of this drug was probably made possible by raising the price of a different drug. Now this going to fund other things.

It's easy to point fingers and criticize, but I dont see anyone donating to nonprofit pharmaceutical companies. Lol

Naloxone has been around for decades. It's not a new or novel substance.
 

Tetrinski

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May 17, 2018
2,915
It reminds me of that report by a big pharma recommending to invest more in cancer research but remove funding from AIDS. Their reasoning was that cancer shows up "randomly", ergo curing it will always be a profitable business. However, if you develop a cure for AIDS, eventually there´ll be no more patients because people infected are needed to spread the disease and make money out of it. I think of whoever wrote that shit quite often, frankly. They are doing pure evil, sentencing millions of people to death, and they are doing it for money that doesn´t even land on their pockets but the pockets of a corporation. I find it fascinating that someone can live their lives like that.
 
Jul 3, 2018
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User Banned (5 Days): Inflammatory drive-by posting; previous infractions
Hopefully drug addicts will think twice before getting high again
 

DavidDesu

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
5,718
Glasgow, Scotland
Everyone has to mutually agree that living in a society where this is a thing is not good for us. Can we at least all agree on that.. hello republicans?! There is no excuse for this. Supply and demand should not be a feature of STOPPING PEOPLE FROM DYING.

Now fuck off.
 
Oct 27, 2017
7,695
The solution: welfare state capitalism, otherwise known as social democracy. This shit doesn't happen because government exerts some level of control over pricing (via price controls) and financing for these essential services (I.e., healthcare, education, etc.).