Yep. Neither am I. I understand bringing up past behavior to prove sometimes scum does this or something to that affect. But using it as a defense for being scumread or to townread someone is lazy and weak.
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BREXIT MAFIA PHASE 2 | Border-Line Insanity!
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You
Nin
Grizzy
Pretty much the only three my sideeye isnt focused on
Hmm, okay.
Why do you suspect Faddy (as you said above)? Sorry if I forget if you've said it already or not. my brain is kinda frazzled atm
Since I didn't say it in my last response to you, I'll say it now. I am very very sorry for making you not want to play the game anymore. I actually do feel really fucking bad about that. Sorry Sophia ;_;
When I get to laptop I need to directly post it but basically just voting habits and letting shit slide
Gorlak kind of just disappeared off the radar towards the end of day. Switching off ET to Gorlak would have been dumb because I don't think anyone else was voting there are were even saying they thought he was scum.
Today I have Gorlak in the same place as Grizzly in that I like some of their vote analysis even if I don't agree with the conclusions. I said yesterday I didn't think Donna was scum and I still don't. Chuggernaut isn't raising any alarms either. I think he could still be scum but I think there are stronger targets for today. He is definitely not in my town though. I think the push on Donna and the push on you are both trying to poke for inconsistencies in your play.
His brief push onto melon was pretty strange as well but then I not sure where melon is at either as is his brown nosing to nin.
It's fine dude, don't worry about it.
But why didn't you push for Gorlak earlier on in the day? You were clearly feeling bad about him because you said so multiple times. I'm just trying to figure out like why you didn't move from ET in the earlier phases of the day.
Me again. Sorry to have been pretty sporadic with my posting today - I've really struggled to get reads. Having a big incident kick off at work in the usually quiet first hour where I'd hoped to have a nice chance to catch up threw off my concentration and I've barely picked up since. Hopefully I'll be on better form tomorrow.
Read-wise, I'm largely the same as earlier - feeling good about nin, better than I was about Grizzly and still cautious about GP and Kalor. Between lies a big cloud of 'I'll come to that later' which doesn't help me move things forward.
Read-wise, I'm largely the same as earlier - feeling good about nin, better than I was about Grizzly and still cautious about GP and Kalor. Between lies a big cloud of 'I'll come to that later' which doesn't help me move things forward.
How would you compare those two? I have Pat as town lean at the moment, but that's mostly due to his vote yesterday and gut.
Because ET did absolutely nothing and refused to engage me at all. I asked him for 1 scum read and he couldn't give it. The ET vote was as much of a prod vote as anything else when I did it. Gorlak was contributing.
Re: Donna-naut.
I'm not sure if Donna's justification-post makes her scum, but it does ring some alarm bells - trying to justify past behaviour in order to seem as innocent as possible is definitely noteworthy. I do have to admit that I always have hard time reading her though, her playstyle is something I have hard time to analyse. But I'll try to look at her posts next, when Chuggernaut hasn't chimed in yet. I agree with nin that suspicions on Donna-naut shouldn't be dropped just because she got replaced.
I'm not sure if Donna's justification-post makes her scum, but it does ring some alarm bells - trying to justify past behaviour in order to seem as innocent as possible is definitely noteworthy. I do have to admit that I always have hard time reading her though, her playstyle is something I have hard time to analyse. But I'll try to look at her posts next, when Chuggernaut hasn't chimed in yet. I agree with nin that suspicions on Donna-naut shouldn't be dropped just because she got replaced.
Of this group I have played with Kalor, Stuart, Absolutbro, nin, melonrabbit, Coolestspot, B-Dubs, and Faddy.
A post I want to highlight since it's something I definitely agree with:
It's lot easier for scum to be very wishy-washy and not make hard stances and reads on something. It's usually lot more towny when a player has a stance, and sticks to it (although that can lead into tunneling, which I feel Stuart's read on Zeke kinda is right now).
It's lot easier for scum to be very wishy-washy and not make hard stances and reads on something. It's usually lot more towny when a player has a stance, and sticks to it (although that can lead into tunneling, which I feel Stuart's read on Zeke kinda is right now).
Noted. I'm re-reading over your posts now. Good to see you've caught up pretty fast with (at first glance) some solid reads.
This is kind of the hard part about replacing. You can't really do anything about how the previous person was playing. I see where you're coming from though, and I would be lying if I said I hadn't used the play of someone that was replaced to justify going after the replacement. It's just how the game is. I would probably scum read Donna too, if we're being real
Fantomas' post on gorlak
He thought the push on faddy felt fake. Says he let it turn to dust and let Sophia distract him away from faddy(on purpose) starts at post #567.
Mentions gorlak calling Stu out at *624*
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*my own comment* I think she mentioned gorlak calling Stu out because we both scumread Stu.
I will be home tomorrow and can properly dig into the rest of fantos posts. They were wordy/meaty.
He thought the push on faddy felt fake. Says he let it turn to dust and let Sophia distract him away from faddy(on purpose) starts at post #567.
Mentions gorlak calling Stu out at *624*
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*my own comment* I think she mentioned gorlak calling Stu out because we both scumread Stu.
I will be home tomorrow and can properly dig into the rest of fantos posts. They were wordy/meaty.
Said it already. I feel he is coasting by. The way he kept throwing shade at ET but dropped ET from his scum list later on without much acknowledgement/commentary on ET besides "The case against ET is the usual D1 stuff" (paraphrased)
I'm also unhappy I admit with him calling me vote on him yesterday and OMGUS vote when that was not what it was and he knows that. Screams to me of scum not liking having a vote on them. (yeah yeah I know "why would scum do that". Well scum aren't perfect.)
Nah, I think you got the right idea here. I'm thinking this is the way to go today
I'm currently working with my Donna read, but in the meantime I want to highlight this post from ET again.
Just kinda fluffy nothing? Or is there something more to it in terms of agenda?
Just kinda fluffy nothing? Or is there something more to it in terms of agenda?
I personally just think that was him trying to think of something to contribute now.
giant panda:backs down from pressuring Zeke midday, suspicious of CS claim, Stu his top scum followed by CS and nin. Votes for CS. Calls out Stu as a OMGUSer, continues scumreading nin. He defends ET against nin, stu and CS. "Jesus man it's day 1. Nothing you've posted today will end up mattering in all likelihood either. "<-This just looks fun in retrospective :p. Some common sense points on the hipotetical third party.Brings Gir to attention on the grounds of Fantoghost reads. Some vote analysis on Kalor and Nin, they both voted for Bear and CS. Wants to keep an eye on Stu(noting defensiveness) and Faddy(noting Bear's suspicious on him), doesn't likes absolutbro's vote on CS. Votes Faddy. Ask bdubs about his doubt on Bear. Believes The Chat happened but not that it clears Zeke, but feels good about him. Plays some defense.
When GP said something like "if ET does the same on D2 or D3 he will go up on my scumreads" that set off some alamrs to me as an attempt at protecting him without taking compromises. But today he said
Comes to me as he usually is thinking on the next moves and makes me a little less worried about the previous comment.
Although I disagree on Bear and GP doubts on Faddy, feels like they are punishing him for being the first vote on scum and not moving from it. I am not saying Faddy is suretown but there is noting out there yet to put a vote on him.
So far I don't get big scum vives from him, although I feel he tries to avoid taking hard stances on some players
Giant Panda what are currently your opinions on Kalor, Sophia, nin, chuggernaut?
When GP said something like "if ET does the same on D2 or D3 he will go up on my scumreads" that set off some alamrs to me as an attempt at protecting him without taking compromises. But today he said
Comes to me as he usually is thinking on the next moves and makes me a little less worried about the previous comment.
Although I disagree on Bear and GP doubts on Faddy, feels like they are punishing him for being the first vote on scum and not moving from it. I am not saying Faddy is suretown but there is noting out there yet to put a vote on him.
So far I don't get big scum vives from him, although I feel he tries to avoid taking hard stances on some players
Giant Panda what are currently your opinions on Kalor, Sophia, nin, chuggernaut?
Mostly a hunch so far
Berserk was our first game, I was town, he scum, according to my fallible memories he managed to reach the late game with a good balance of enough activity to just fly under the radar.
In buffy he was town for the first time. Scum Sorian bullied him into roleclaiming on day 1 lol
That isn't much to go off then really.. (in terms of town-pat at least).
Empressdonna Day 1
Initial reaction to Nin's claim. Thinks it's a gambit.
Filler
Pushing again the angle that nin is doing a gambit. It's consistent with her first post, but this stance is pretty NAI. In general I don't think we are going to find many scumtells from how people reacted to nin's vanilla claim in general. Still, I don't remember many pushing the "it's a gambit" idea as much as Donna did.
Easy NAI stance.
First posts with more substance. Some stuff to point out:
- "Stu's play doesn't seem town nor scum Stuart" is a really wishy-washy stance to make. It's D1, and early D1 at that so it might be excused, but this wording is still odd.
- Here is the "ET sets off alarm bells" thing Gorlak mentioned. There isn't much here... Donna doesn't iterate here on what meta makes ET set off alarms. The stance on Dubs is kinda weak too.
- Town read on Fantomas, Fantomas was widely town-read on D1.
First paragraph is where she talks about ET. Justifies meta read here with "well I saw them play scum there". The implication seems to be that ET played similarly in Marvel and in here, and that's why they set off alarm bells?
Here she mentions about not feeling 100%. IRL reasons are ok. Comment on Zeke's shrugging is nothing.
Her inactivity was called out, she responds with apologetic "yes I know" and then tries to change the subject to CoolestSpot instead. I find this post somewhat suspicious, not that calling out CS is a bad thing, but tonally it comes off us "please don't pay attention to me, look at CS instead please."
More push to CS with a vote. First vote to CS, but I don't think Donna was trying to create a lynch wagon here. It is connected to that previous post of "please pay attention to CS instead".
Justification to CS vote after already making said vote. Why didn't she say this earlier?
Pretty sure this is first time Donna mentions Zeke, yet now she is scum reading him. Also more apologetic responses to people calling out her inactivity. Also more weak justification to her vote.
This post is fine - the forum seemed to be glitchy at that time. Not sure if it's really alignment indicative though - either town or scum could have posted it.
Slightly interesting post - asking for someone to justify their townread on her. Not sure what to make of that.
NAI
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(Skipping the CS-Donna misunderstanding, even though it's amusing it's not relevant)
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Kind of wishy-washy stance post on CS.
Finally gives some justification to why she scumreads Zeke. I do agree that Zeke has been widely reactionary in this game, even after this post, and it gives me some pause.
Some more justification to the Zeke read. This post is kind of weak to me – using shrugging by itself as scumread is kind of dumb, heh.
This is a weird post. The last sentence does not seem to fit with the first one at all, and is not really that consistent with her previous posts about CS. This was posted close to end of day, when ET vs CS was burning hot. She makes no comment about ET, in fact she hasn't mentioned him at all for a good while.
Onwards to Day 2…
Initial reaction to Nin's claim. Thinks it's a gambit.
Filler
Pushing again the angle that nin is doing a gambit. It's consistent with her first post, but this stance is pretty NAI. In general I don't think we are going to find many scumtells from how people reacted to nin's vanilla claim in general. Still, I don't remember many pushing the "it's a gambit" idea as much as Donna did.
Easy NAI stance.
First posts with more substance. Some stuff to point out:
- "Stu's play doesn't seem town nor scum Stuart" is a really wishy-washy stance to make. It's D1, and early D1 at that so it might be excused, but this wording is still odd.
- Here is the "ET sets off alarm bells" thing Gorlak mentioned. There isn't much here... Donna doesn't iterate here on what meta makes ET set off alarms. The stance on Dubs is kinda weak too.
- Town read on Fantomas, Fantomas was widely town-read on D1.
First paragraph is where she talks about ET. Justifies meta read here with "well I saw them play scum there". The implication seems to be that ET played similarly in Marvel and in here, and that's why they set off alarm bells?
Here she mentions about not feeling 100%. IRL reasons are ok. Comment on Zeke's shrugging is nothing.
Her inactivity was called out, she responds with apologetic "yes I know" and then tries to change the subject to CoolestSpot instead. I find this post somewhat suspicious, not that calling out CS is a bad thing, but tonally it comes off us "please don't pay attention to me, look at CS instead please."
More push to CS with a vote. First vote to CS, but I don't think Donna was trying to create a lynch wagon here. It is connected to that previous post of "please pay attention to CS instead".
Justification to CS vote after already making said vote. Why didn't she say this earlier?
Pretty sure this is first time Donna mentions Zeke, yet now she is scum reading him. Also more apologetic responses to people calling out her inactivity. Also more weak justification to her vote.
This post is fine - the forum seemed to be glitchy at that time. Not sure if it's really alignment indicative though - either town or scum could have posted it.
Slightly interesting post - asking for someone to justify their townread on her. Not sure what to make of that.
NAI
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(Skipping the CS-Donna misunderstanding, even though it's amusing it's not relevant)
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Kind of wishy-washy stance post on CS.
Finally gives some justification to why she scumreads Zeke. I do agree that Zeke has been widely reactionary in this game, even after this post, and it gives me some pause.
Some more justification to the Zeke read. This post is kind of weak to me – using shrugging by itself as scumread is kind of dumb, heh.
This is a weird post. The last sentence does not seem to fit with the first one at all, and is not really that consistent with her previous posts about CS. This was posted close to end of day, when ET vs CS was burning hot. She makes no comment about ET, in fact she hasn't mentioned him at all for a good while.
Onwards to Day 2…
Uh, yea it's there. You've pointed out the 3 times. Hard to miss.
Donna Day 2
Before getting to her posts, some more comments on nin's argument of Donna trying to get scummate ET involved with the game with the zeke-shrug comments: I mean, it's possible? But it does seem like a weak argument, that whole thing doesn't feel very alignment indicative outside Donna trying to look like he is contributing while commenting on a pretty tiny point (and yes, I made a comment about the shrugs too on D1).
Initial response to nin. I can't really get much out of this.
IRL reasoning, won't question that.
The last part rings slightly hollow since her vote to CS was kind of weak-ish, and later she didn't have hard stances on CS until the sudden "scummy af" comment.
About her interaction with ET. I don't think her interaction with ET on it's own is especially scummy.
This is the other post Gorlak pointed out. Yeah... her only real comments on ET really were "rings alarm bells" and now retroactively it changed into "Well I thought he was town". Why didn't she ever state she was townreading ET before this? It's odd..
Before getting to her posts, some more comments on nin's argument of Donna trying to get scummate ET involved with the game with the zeke-shrug comments: I mean, it's possible? But it does seem like a weak argument, that whole thing doesn't feel very alignment indicative outside Donna trying to look like he is contributing while commenting on a pretty tiny point (and yes, I made a comment about the shrugs too on D1).
Initial response to nin. I can't really get much out of this.
IRL reasoning, won't question that.
The last part rings slightly hollow since her vote to CS was kind of weak-ish, and later she didn't have hard stances on CS until the sudden "scummy af" comment.
About her interaction with ET. I don't think her interaction with ET on it's own is especially scummy.
This is the other post Gorlak pointed out. Yeah... her only real comments on ET really were "rings alarm bells" and now retroactively it changed into "Well I thought he was town". Why didn't she ever state she was townreading ET before this? It's odd..
Donna - a summary.
Donna has been somewhat scummy, but not due to nin's argument really. It's more that she didn't contribute much at all in the game, and seemed to do more 'fake' contributions more than anything. Her stances were weak, or justified only afterwards (like with her scumread on Zeke). But more than that, she seemed to try to do damage control in her posts, like how Gorlak pointed out. It's not a great look.
Donna has been somewhat scummy, but not due to nin's argument really. It's more that she didn't contribute much at all in the game, and seemed to do more 'fake' contributions more than anything. Her stances were weak, or justified only afterwards (like with her scumread on Zeke). But more than that, she seemed to try to do damage control in her posts, like how Gorlak pointed out. It's not a great look.
I was pressuring Zeke? Do you mean I backed down from pressuring ET?
As for Kalor, Sophia, nin, chuggernaut:
I think Kalor is a good lynch. The accidental vote for CS is interesting, and as others have mentioned he could have been considering voting CS to try to save ET, decided against it, but then forgot to remove the vote from his post. As I also noted, he was the last voter to join the Grizzly lynch, and there was a time Grizzly and ET were in contention. ET didn't have a ton of votes by this point though, so it's not clear that he'd be voting Grizzly to save ET. Additionally, Kalor doesn't seem to be giving us many reads or taking many stances on things. The biggest stance he's taken today for instance is that he thinks nin is town. Could be scum not wanting to get backed into a corner contradicting themselves later. Or could be a overwhelmed townie. Overall though, I think the chance for scum is high enough to lynch Kalor.
Sophia, I haven't really noticed anything too scummy in my opinion. There was her switch from CS to ET to CS. And she did express willingness to vote ET again to break a tie. But her explanations of trying to save Grizzly and avoiding ties make enough sense to me that I would not push for her lynch at this time.
nin, well I have a history with nin. I didn't mind his claim of VT too much, but his post claiming that scum would never claim VT on day 1 seemed scummy to me because that's just not true. Nin didn't put himself in that much danger with that claim, a scum nin could have totally done that. He had a late vote CS. You could argue scum wouldn't do that, but not sure. nin might have been expecting more movement at EoD to make that vote look better.
chuggernaut/empressdonna, I agree that empressdonna had some strange interactions with ET in hindsight. chuggernaut hasn't really done anything to change my opinion much, he's been a null read since coming in. I think this is a decent lynch.
Coming in late, but what Stuart said. The OMGUS screamed overreactive, especially from someone who looked like they were hiding until hoping to get a lynch train on me with a sudden pop up vote on me.
Seems like the vote on ET was to not raise supspicion and at worst get trust when things go possibly the worst way.
I know it looks a certain way since Panda slighted us both though.
hmm, I think at this point, I'll switch my vote back to GP. Only other person I'm willing to vote for today is Kalor (out of the people who seem like possible lynch targets today) so we'll see what happens but I'll place my vote here for now:
Vote: Giant Panda
Vote: Giant Panda
Fuck it. I'm role claiming because everyone is already super on edge about me and this is role is probably going to get me killed at some point if I don't say something.
I'm a town sleepwalker. I randomally visit another player at night. I have no idea who it actually is. I feel like this will be easily verifiable unless I visited scum/Fanto last night unless a switcher is fucking around.
I'm a town sleepwalker. I randomally visit another player at night. I have no idea who it actually is. I feel like this will be easily verifiable unless I visited scum/Fanto last night unless a switcher is fucking around.
Wait so you cant even aim it?
Also roleclaiming is a bit much laddie. But first actual roleclaim of worth, so hey, you got that.
Right, I've had a bit more time to catch up.
I can see where the panda stuff is coming from because they did seem like anything addressed to ET was sort of a just in case so they wouldn't seem totally opposed because it felt a little dismissive.
Want to hear more from Chug.
I can see where the panda stuff is coming from because they did seem like anything addressed to ET was sort of a just in case so they wouldn't seem totally opposed because it felt a little dismissive.
Want to hear more from Chug.
Yup. Can't aim it and I don't know who I wandered over to. I'm basically a fruit vendor that's just randomally throwing fruit around
Which means there is probably a tracker around I'd assume.
Otherwise that role would be useless I'd guess.