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User banned (1 month): Child pornography isn't "adults only," it's illegal and attempts to downplay this will not be tolerated here.
I assume almost everyone agrees to at least some degree of censorship though. I don't think most people here would consider child pornography as acceptable, and I wouldn't consider banning that as the start of slippery slope.

Child pornography is AO. It wouldn't get published on consoles anyway.
 

HotHamBoy

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I'm sorry, but I fully support this censorship. One character (you know who) looks and acts underage. The less sexualization of that character, the better.
While I agree that it's gross, i think the deeper concern is with Sony regulations getting in the way of games like Catherine

Also, why is 2018 so fucking regressive in so many ways?
 

Crossing Eden

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So when parents start getting offended by children getting access to increasingly more hyper realistic violence will you also defend Sony when they take a hatchet to The Last of Us 2 or Mortal Kombat?
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WOULD YOU LIKE TO ACTUALLY DISCUSS VIDEO GAME VIOLENCE??? Here's a link to the start thread page.
 

Oregano

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Regardless of whether you think Nintendo, or eventually will, do the same the fact is they are not. It's irrelevant.

Just as when people said Microsoft or Nintendo would refuse crossplay if they were on Sony's position.

I assume almost everyone agrees to at least some degree of censorship though. I don't think most people here would consider child pornography as acceptable, and I wouldn't consider banning that as the start of slippery slope.

Child porn would be refused classification by the independent ratings boards which have consistent standards. That is why ratings boards exist. A lot of rating boards did in fact refuse classification to Omega Labyrinth Z.

The majority of people(myself included) are taking specific umbrage with Sony's overreach.
 

VodkaFX

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I'm very sad to read people defending arbitrary censorship and a "I don't like it so it shouldn't exist" way of thinking. Just look at what that brought to Europe less than a century ago.

Once you start arbitrary censorship there's no stopping. If they are okay with censoring boobs, why stop there? Why don't censor certain words in the dub for example? Why don't censor moans too? And when you've done with that there will be something else.
Yup.

The very same people will be the ones who will come and whine and defend once their preferred genre of game gets affected.

Luckily this type of anime fanservice games don't typically require top end graphics and power. As in they should be relatively simpler to port or develop on other platforms. And since other platforms are not implementing such censorship at this time. Over time if things don't change with Sony, people will just purchase these games on other platforms.
 

HotHamBoy

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I don't really give a fuck about DOAX but I wonder about two things:

How will these regulations affect DOA6?

Does this mean DOA6 might come to Switch?
 

deepFlaw

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Catherine is going to get torn to shreds by this policy and it's gonna suck
Is this a policy that was made before or after Persona 5 came out? There's some very weird sexualisation and very dodgy relationships going on in that game.

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Surely that's the job of the ratings board? I appreciate Sony is the platform holder but if they have a problem with that kind of content shouldn't they take it up with the BBFC and ESRB instead. Very bizarre move by Sony, I'll be livid if they fuck with Catherine.
Yeah, I think that's the thing I'm worried most about, outside the whole generalized idea that forcing a developer/publisher to censor anything is OK.
Ah fuck I just remembered there making a Kill La Kill game.


That's getting gutted isn't it?
Oh ffs... what platforms that on? That and Catherine are probably the two at the moment I'm worried about... I can't believe I'm going to be begging for switch ports as someone that has been a PS4 main this gen.
That's my biggest worry right now, all other games that have been affected I didn't care about but Kill La Kill IF I was even planing on buying a collectors edition if it got announced and I don't even buy phisical games anymore.

Guys, please just take a few minutes and actually think about what's been censored before you start panicking over other games.

Here's what's most likely to be censored in Catherine given what we've seen be censored so far:
  1. The fanservice photos Vincent gets sent on his phone.
Aaaaaaaaaand that's probably it. Nothing else in the game is explicitly dedicated to fanservice; nothing that's been censored so far is because of just having sexual themes or situations or just generally being "sexy". It's all been fanservice directed at the player. They have the preorder glasses thing, I guess, but that's not even on this level.

Meanwhile unless Kill la Kill adds some mode to oogle the girls or whatever the fuck, the revealing outfits alone probably aren't gonna be touched.

Wait, people on ERA are up in arms becauss Sony didnt allow fucked-up over the top objectification of female characters in a game that already has way too much objectification any way?

What is wrong with you folks? I thought ERA was progressive. This almost looks like a reddit thread.

Sex in games is fine. Sexual objectification is not. This game is one of the worst culprits of that with its golden fan and softening gel shit.

Some people apparently have no understanding that they're different things! According to them, sex scenes and discussions of sexuality in other games are the same thing as fanservice pictures/features for the player to masturbate to, and they seriously argue about the supposed double standard that's happening...

ERA never stops to amaze me.
If you complain about anime trash you are right-wing looooooool
No need. I just find ridiculous to put polítical tags on people because they complaint about sexual censorship, and aside of links to other forums you may have no way to support your finger pointing.

Adding to that the fact that in these forums being right winged is the equivalent of being human trash.

I would say "right wing" isn't very accurate.

But most people rioting over this elsewhere are certainly channer/gamergate garbage, so I'm fine with there being some bad connotations about being so hilariously overly passionate about this. There's already been people here who showed their ass while complaining about this in other topics because they couldn't stop themselves from
whining about Californian "SJWs" controlling Sony.

Ehh, I think I'm gonna have to bail on the PS4 at this point.

I bought my PS4 for a lot of niche jrpgs and smaller games, and since the guidelines are so vague, I can see a lot of those games being pushed back against, or simply unwilling/able to deal with contacting Sony US just to release their game on the PS4 in the first place. A lot of those games are on steam/get ported to steam, or are day and date with the Switch, so I'll just migrate more actively, which is a shame bc I haven't really touched my PS4 in ages.

If Sony is going to continue to be incredibly vague about it and keep rejecting games, or all the games I bought a PS4 for migrate to other platforms, then I may as well too, since I have no interest in Sony's first party games

What PS4 game that you would play has been censored so far? Unless you exclusively play games like this and SK, you'll be fine.
 

Gold Arsene

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I don't give a shit about game violence.

I just wonder how many of these Sony knows best posts would agree with them if they started deciding more of what's appropriate on their console.

To be more specific someone sayed this is because Sony doesn't want to be associated with content like this or else it'd cause them trouble.

Well it seems like whenever a new Last of Us or Mortal Kombat trailer comes out we get a new batch of articles questioning game violence. And we still get news about parents blaming video games for peoples problems every now then.

So as we get better graphics and more immersive gameplay, I do have to wonder if that won't revive scrutiny from Sony as well.
 

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Regardless of whether you think Nintendo, or eventually will, do the same the fact is they are not. It's irrelevant.

Just as when people said Microsoft or Nintendo would refuse crossplay if they were on Sony's position.



Child porn would be refused classification by the independent ratings boards which have consistent standards. That is why ratings boards exist. A lot of rating boards did in fact refuse classification to Omega Labyrinth Z.

The majority of people(myself included) are taking specific umbrage with Sony's overreach.

I don't see Sony reversing their decision on this to be honest, unless they see a huge decline in sales, but these tend to be niche products in the first place. It is true that ratings boards would refuse it, but I don't think SIE would go much further than what they're already doing. Of course only time will tell.
 

Firima

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Leave Sony alone, guys. Koei Tecmo isn't a large developer/publisher, either, so Sony has a lot of leverage in discussions. They're actually fairly small, if you squint your eyes and ignore how big they are.
 

Gold Arsene

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Guys, please just take a few minutes and actually think about what's been censored before you start panicking over other games.

Here's what's most likely to be censored in Catherine given what we've seen be censored so far:
  1. The fanservice photos Vincent gets sent on his phone.
Aaaaaaaaaand that's probably it. Nothing else in the game is explicitly dedicated to fanservice; nothing that's been censored so far is because of just having sexual themes or situations or just generally being "sexy". It's all been fanservice directed at the player. They have the preorder glasses thing, I guess, but that's not even on this level.

Meanwhile unless Kill la Kill adds some mode to oogle the girls or whatever the fuck, the revealing outfits alone probably aren't gonna be touched.

Ok and? I don't want Catherine changed period.
 

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Guys, please just take a few minutes and actually think about what's been censored before you start panicking over other games.

Here's what's most likely to be censored in Catherine given what we've seen be censored so far:
  1. The fanservice photos Vincent gets sent on his phone.
Aaaaaaaaaand that's probably it. Nothing else in the game is explicitly dedicated to fanservice; nothing that's been censored so far is because of just having sexual themes or situations or just generally being "sexy". It's all been fanservice directed at the player. They have the preorder glasses thing, I guess, but that's not even on this level.

Meanwhile unless Kill la Kill adds some mode to oogle the girls or whatever the fuck, the revealing outfits alone probably aren't gonna be touched.
It's not a matter if I care for what's being censored but more of a it's being censored at all. I hate losing content no matter if I cared what it is. I remember not buying Yakuza 3 because the removed a mini game from the arcade, I understood that it was going to be a lot of work translating it but is still lost content.
 

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You know what, talking about version differences makes me nostalgic for the days where the various ports of games would be completely different from each other, it would actually make it worthwhile buying different versions of a game.
 

Redcrayon

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You know what, talking about version differences makes me nostalgic for the days where the various ports of games would be completely different from each other, it would actually make it worthwhile buying different versions of a game.
As an Amstrad owner in the 80s, I have no nostalgia for that period :D
 

Famassu

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If that were true, violence wouldn't exist. Violence is based on the belief that you're stronger than the other person, and even if not, that you have stood your ground.
GENERALLY, not every human being everywhere. Violence exists because of different reasons (drunk people, anger management issues, toxic masculinity, bullies at school with shitty childhood taking their crap on others etc.) that generally has nothing to do with violent entertainment. Sexual harassment & assault exists, in big part, because women have been (and still are) portrayed as sex objects for men to conquer on many fronts of society. The entertainment we consume has a big part in that (it's not the only reason these things happen, obviously, but you can't deny its significant part in all of it). This is especially true in this day & age where a lot more people have more time & money for leisure and entertainment is widely available to people on all walks of life.

I think you're completely on the wrong track here. The games you wrote are outliers. They are much less popular than other violent games because they show "dirty", unjust violence, and that doesn't appeal to many people.
I know they are outliers. I just brought them up as examples of violent video games that can have some negative qualities to their violence that I'm personally not all that ok with. It's not just violent, it's violence with a deliberately hateful ideology behind them. You aren't fighting Nazis in WWII or other more fantastical settings, you aren't protecting your life from modern day pirates or mad-men in control of a bloodhungry mercenaries who will shoot you on sight.

All this said, I DO NOT think someone who plays Hatred is going to go out to the world and start shooting people just because they played Hatred. It can kind of feed into some psychopaths sense of joy they get from merciless killing of innocent people, but all in all a lot more needs to be wrong with a person for them to go shoot people.

Games with a heroic protagonist on the other hand who is shown to defeat his opponents with violent means are the most common story setting of all. No one who uses violence in real life thinks he's the bad guy. Like you say, one or two of these kinds of fantasies don't make much of a difference at all, but if this stuff is around us all the time in every type of media, I wouldn't be so quick to rule out an influence on our way of thinking.
Yes, and a vast majority of people will never be in those situations nor do most people possess the level of skill to pull of anything like what is done in movies/fiction, so there's really nothing in those games to take much example of. They are generally extreme situations that very few people will find themselves in.

99,9999% of people who play these games are not going to be fighting against criminal overlords in real life. They aren't going to be stranded on a remote treasure island that has modern pirates after the same treasure they are searching for that they'd need to fend off. The scenarios are so far removed from real life. No one is taking any influence from Uncharted's form of violence. Some men may be a bit too quick to resort to violence when push comes to shove, but the average man who uses violence still needs a reason for it.

Just because Bond defends himself against bad guys in a movie through violence doesn't mean someone is going to start going all James Bond on every man and woman they see on the streets. There still needs to be something to instigate that violent behaviour, whether that's something as dumb as perceived insults to their character or actual need for self defense. Very few people act violently for absolutely no reason.

On the other side of the isle, sexually motivated interactions with people you are attracted to are a common part of most humans' lives and as such people get more changes to act on what they've been influenced by in entertainment. People see Bond being "determined" getting the girl, people see Bond being charming, suave, and that can have much more of an influence in how men think women should be wooed IRL than any violent piece of entertainment has on violent behaviour. These are situations men can easily (try to) replicate in real life. The women fell for Bond's insistince, not taking the first few nos for an answer and "charm" in the movie so it MUST work for them too.

Again, a lot of men who sexually harass women do not even see it as sexual harassment because that's how they've been taught to think by society at large for their whole life (entertainment being a big culprit in that). They are just "paying a compliment" or think that them hitting on women "should be taken as a flattering suggestion." Women in fiction aren't complaining about sexual harassment on screen even when that is clearly happening, so a lot of men don't interpret it as such and go on to copy that kind of interaction IRL.
 

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Regardless of whether you think Nintendo, or eventually will, do the same the fact is they are not. It's irrelevant.

Just as when people said Microsoft or Nintendo would refuse crossplay if they were on Sony's position.

Child porn would be refused classification by the independent ratings boards which have consistent standards. That is why ratings boards exist. A lot of rating boards did in fact refuse classification to Omega Labyrinth Z.

The majority of people(myself included) are taking specific umbrage with Sony's overreach.

The entire story is especially bizarre because the changes aren't really meaningful, are slipping through cert anyway or look worse than before. The games still feature underage or underage-looking girls in highly sexual positions and scenarios. Sony is applying a bandaid to a gushing wound when they probably have enough clout to affect some real change with the ratings boards.
 

kpaadet

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I don't give a shit about game violence.

I just wonder how many of these Sony knows best posts would agree with them if they started deciding more of what's appropriate on their console.

To be more specific someone sayed this is because Sony doesn't want to be associated with content like this or else it'd cause them trouble.

Well it seems like whenever a new Last of Us or Mortal Kombat trailer comes out we get a new batch of articles questioning game violence. And we still get news about parents blaming video games for peoples problems every now then.

So as we get better graphics and more immersive gameplay, I do have to wonder if that won't revive scrutiny from Sony as well.
Sony already censored TLOU MP and GoW: Ascension in Europe so you can stop with all the "what if's" and ask how big of a deal it was back then. And to answer that question: it was kinda annoying but we all got over it, wished they would stop doing it.
 

kribwalker

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WOW, as a huge Playstation fan, I get most of my fighting games on a Sony platform but with censorship from Sony, I think I'm getting it for the Nintendo platform this time. I love this DOA series and censorship to this game is a no no.

the way sony is using their censorship policies you're probably going to start getting more and more games on competitors platforms if you want to get the game the way the artist/devs wanted them played. It's crappy Sony is pushing you away as a loyal customer...
 

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If it's children or its rapeish like Senrans "intimacy" mode where you slap around characters then yeah that shit should be scrubbed.

You sad fucks who want to get your rocks off to minors in games can go be child pervs on the PC or Nintendo devices if you want.

As Dead or Alive seems to use of age characters then I would say in this case however pervy it is this move does seem to be the classic "American prudes overreacting because religion and morals".
 

ghostcrew

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The sexualisation of minors is not tolerated here, and discussions like this one invariably end poorly and please no one. We do not believe this thread will be different, and so it has been locked.
 
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