Because he doesn't just "read word for word".
https://www.resetera.com/threads/an...-and-other-rpgs-for-andromedas-failure.51735/
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YongYea & Jason Schreier to discuss Games Industry
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Because he doesn't just "read word for word".
https://www.resetera.com/threads/an...-and-other-rpgs-for-andromedas-failure.51735/
He's literally saying. Look at the comments and the people you attract. And there is nothing wrong with doing so. The comments Yong attracts and allows to foster and fails to do anything about definitely should be looked at. Jason isn't wrong for pointing that out.
Sure he attracts gamers that are angry at companies, but it's amazing how a lot of those comments also devolve into anti-semetic right wing talk. It's crazy how often those two groups overlap.
Did I say he was? I have no idea why you felt the need to write any of this.
Tbh I think the "gamer outrage" channels that are essentially "I'm not alt right but I'm #1 with the alt right" should be doing a good hard look at themselves and the atmosphere they foster with their content. Their toxicity leads to this. It's even possible to be a consumer advocate type channel without being alt right. See Angry Joe, or Jim sterling (as much as I dislike him). If those two can do it without attracting the alt right then the other channels who do attracting it should do a good long thinking about what they're doing and how they can do better. Assuming they don't want to attract the alt right, that is.
:) Pretty clear you're just a chickenshit that knows you're wrong and you're too much of a coward to deal with it like everyone else that was piling on her thinking the firing was 100% justified also in my time calling a stick a stick didn't count as insulting bb.
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The ArenaNet thing was this year so yea. I thought it was weird myself as I regularly watched his videos and then all of a sudden there's some misogynistic bullshit.
It's extremely important that I clear up some of the slander in this thread.
It was a New Jersey Nets hoodie.
You personally were not, but a lot of people in the thread have been implying that at least, what with calling him a GGer etc
I used your initial post about him being to blame for his fans as a jumping off point, apologies if that wasn't clear
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Except that pregnancy does have segments, they are called trimesters and theres a big difference between the first trimester and third just like theres a big difference between someone who treats Jewish people differently than someone who wants to eradicate every Jewish person from the planet. They are both horrible but one is definitely worse.
I'm not defending anyone. I dont know how I can make that more clear. I'm just saying that, like most things, there are gradiants to racism and theres a big difference between being a rascist and a nazi.
Are all Christians also Catholics? Are all muslims Christians? They all believe in a god so they just believe the same thing right? That's what your argument is and it's clearly wrong. Words have meanings and you cant pretend that's not true.
Moderating comment section manually would be impossible. He would need to hire someone else do it for him
Jim Sterling and Angry Joe also have alt-right fans and viewers who agree with them. Ofc there are moments too where those guys upset alt-right gamers because of their opinion.
Got through about 50mins of it, it's definitely worth the watch even though it's less of a discussion and more Yong posing industry problems to Jason, mostly as Yong is out of his league here. Jason handled things well and holds the same moderate positions I do on issues like micro transactions, it always baffled me how people on here made threads and flipped out when Nintendo included the most unobtrusive mxt's ever in some of their mobile games. Eventually people should come around to accepting that there are perfectly fine mxt's, just like people came around to accepting DLCs. Day one DLCs that should be free/included in the main game like Javik should still get rightly criticized, as should mxt's that are obtrusive like AC Odyssey. Those DLCs that don't hurt the main game from purposely being excluded and mxt's that aren't obtrusive don't deserve outrage being thrown their way, especially when the blowback is hurting those not responsible who just were wanting to make a good game.
Only thing I didn't like was Jason repeatedly talking about how all these great games are coming out so why rage when certain games/developers don't satisfy you. Not everyone has the money/time to play/try out these games, they find a genre/dev they like and feel secure in putting their hard earned money there so when they disappoint they express outrage, as it's easier on them to complain to the company in the hopes that they meet their demands then take a chance with their money on some other title. Beyond just monetary reasons people do grow attached to certain series/dev styles and want them to get back to making the games they love. It's a skewed perspective of someone who does this as their job.
Only thing I didn't like was Jason repeatedly talking about how all these great games are coming out so why rage when certain games/developers don't satisfy you. Not everyone has the money/time to play/try out these games, they find a genre/dev they like and feel secure in putting their hard earned money there so when they disappoint they express outrage, as it's easier on them to complain to the company in the hopes that they meet their demands then take a chance with their money on some other title. Beyond just monetary reasons people do grow attached to certain series/dev styles and want them to get back to making the games they love. It's a skewed perspective of someone who does this as their job.
I think a big reason you'll never see this is because these youtubers attract a sizable audience and make money
This is false. There are plenty of channels that DONT bring in the element. If most of his comments section is this group of people then you can disable comments. It's that easy.
Funny how every prominent female Guild Wars 2 player, including a highly respected all-women endgame guild, backed Deroir and not Jessica Price in that situation. The reality is she did something wrong and deserved to be reprimanded, whether she deserved to be fired or not. The influx of people who had never played Guild Wars, knew nothing about ArenaNet, read nothing about the concerns of the community regarding the incident, came in to grossly misrepresent the situation to try and spin it into Price being guiltless and wronged is still an embarrassment to this day.
It is a goddamn shame that sexist trolls hijacked that situation and harrassed her after the initial round of "what the fuck just happened" from the GW2 community, widely known as one of the friendliest you'll find online. But her being harrassed doesn't retroactively make her in the right with her comments that landed her in hot water in the first place.
On the actual topic of YongYea, however, I have not seen his ArenaNet videos, and will absolutely allow that he intentionally made them to stoke the GG fires against her because that seems like something he'd do.
imho, it is kinda silly to think a comment section as your audience overall. I looked at YY most popular youtube video that was created not long ago (6 months), it has 1.2mil views and has almost 10k comments, even if all those comments were toxic, it's less than 1%, and we all know toxic people are almost the most active/vocal one's. Kotaku's comment section ain't a saint too, it's also moderated, so there's that.
if he gave a shit there's a real easy way to.
he's just reporting the news, no need for user comments right?
LOL
I liked the video. I think both people expressed their feeling on the topics and led me to some more insight about their opinions. I think there was a pretty cool point where we kind of saw the line of what journalism in gaming (reporting) is and what youtube (reactions most of the time). I also kind of get where Schreier was coming from with some things in reporting and with sources that I had some misconceptions of and probably had been too critical about him when I should not have. Sorry about that. Anyhow I enjoyed it, gave me a new perspective to look at things.
I really dont think Jason was saying YY was those toxic types mostly that he seems to make content that plays up to or is strongly loved by them which is surely problematic? I would argue spreading misinformation in this age is a big deal as well.
I'm a bit sad SkillUp is getting all personally hurt by the association... he feels very strongly about consumer rights like YY but I feel he is the more level-headed version (for the most part)
In that very specific situation NO those two things were mutually exclusive. Your turn to end on someone's shitlist . bybye ...
So much to unpack here. But let's start here:
If it is only 1% of his overall viewer why let them continue to spew hate? Close off the comment section.
Have you check to see if the hate-filled comments in Kotaku are in favor of the article or against?
What do you think attracts toxicity? Here are a list of what I have observed: progressive/inclusive change, pro-consumer outrage.
I dont know where all this animosity is coming from with these 2. I havent really kept up with YongYea since Metal Gear, but back in those days he was doing a great job with his videos. He provided a great perspective on MGS that you didnt see anywhere else at the time. It looks like his channel has changed a great deal since then though lol...
It seems like these 2 got off on the wrong foot and things have escalated since. That Jason Schreier tweet though was probably just poorly worded. Telling Yong to think long and hard about the comment section is dumb. Of course those people in the comments are shitty, but thats Youtube these days.
Watching the video now, and yea YongYea does come off as "angry" in some of the videos ive seen. But I dont think its anywhere near as bad as someone like Jim Sterling. From what ive seen, it doesnt seem to be faux-outrage or overblown for views.
It seems like these 2 got off on the wrong foot and things have escalated since. That Jason Schreier tweet though was probably just poorly worded. Telling Yong to think long and hard about the comment section is dumb. Of course those people in the comments are shitty, but thats Youtube these days.
Watching the video now, and yea YongYea does come off as "angry" in some of the videos ive seen. But I dont think its anywhere near as bad as someone like Jim Sterling. From what ive seen, it doesnt seem to be faux-outrage or overblown for views.
I think as you said SkillUp just misunderstood Jason. Jason isn't saying YongYea is antisemitic, for example, but that he should look at why his videos attract so strongly these types of people. How are they constructed? What is their purpose? What is their goal? If the answer is "attention from disgruntled gamers" and nothing else then welp...
I'm well fucking aware that it's a real term.
Those words specifically can have other meanings. Use a different term. Christ.
I can't let this slip despite wanting to move on with this off topic shit but you can't just say "whether she deserved to be fired or not". That is the fucking main issue of it all.
The firing was undeserved as fuck given the companies original stance on how she handled her twitter. Also on the opposite end a ton of prominent game devs and any journo with some ethical backbone backed Price as well on how the firing was WAAAAAAAAY over the line as a reaction.
Imo I should stop here. That whole thread back then just made me not give a fuck about really joining social discussions on ERA and I'm fucking up here letting myself be wrapped up in it again.
The comment's on YY's video are a goldmine. Legit unironic circlejerking material for days. I wonder if these people realise that they're hilarious in the bad way.
I agree partly with Jason being a lil eh for giving YY more of a platform, but also it's nice to call him out on his BS.
I agree partly with Jason being a lil eh for giving YY more of a platform, but also it's nice to call him out on his BS.
Is removing ability to comment really best solution? Sure now you don't see those bad comments, but you also don't see good comments and can't discuss about anything. Sensoring everything doesn't really solve problem, it just hides it and fuels those alt-right and toxic gamers even more.
Didn't AJ try this and it didn't work?
I'm not YouTuber so I don't know what kind of automated stuff they have.
There is a disappointing tendency among YouTubers to stick up for one another. It's as if they feel targeting one channel that might be toxic could have a negative effect on theirs.
Not on most of the channels I follow be it in French or in English or in Flemish or heck even in Japanese .
Again whether you like it or not your comments section is reflection of your content .
If it is field with hatefull gators then you're not doing your part in telling them they're not welcome so to an extent you do agree with them.
"How far does the extent go ?" my answer would "Does it fucking matter we're talking about him hanging out with the scum of the earth here ..."
I'm just saying there are options. OR he could make a video calling out the toxicity in his comments. Instead of allowing it to just sit there unchecked while appeasing that base.
can you find me the productive discussions in the comment section of the video in question?
The company's original stance for her Twitter was based on her social activism. Being socially active does not give her a license to be an asshole to Guild Wars 2 players who don't deserve it. They are not the same thing.
Do I think she deserved to be fired? Based on how employment works in the US, yes. The initial thread on the topic had several people in HR, customer relations, and other positions of handling this type of situation universally agree that the standard response would be an immediate firing. Now, perhaps you can talk about how it's wrong to be so easily fired in the US and there's some merit to that, but on a basic level if the lowest bar of employment is "don't mock and insult a customer who isn't displaying even remotely the same level of hostility" then that is a bar I'm comfortable promoting as OK. Would I also be OK with a reprimand and apology? Yes. I wasn't someone calling for her head. Of course based on how she's handled herself since, it appears an apology was never on the table from her.
"With some ethical backbone" is just a No True Scotsman wherein the only industry responses that matter are the ones you agree with.
Edit: Sorry Wonderment, I'm done.
Yes, let's all move on from this and continue this topic. Thank you.
Again just because all you guys watch on youtube is nightmare fuelled dumpster fires doesn't mean all channels are like that , and again to the stance of "the comment section is just the dumpster fire of the internet don't pay attention to the comments they're irrelevant"
Answer from me "No dumpster fires do hold explosives and napalm sometimes so no I will pay attention I'd like the walls of my house to stay intact thank you very much..."
So no comments are relevant and when they reach that level of toxicity soemthing is off the channel holder like it or not.
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Yeah exactly, it feels that way at least. Consumers not getting screwed over is important and the industry needs it called out when it crosses a line but these people the way you read the comments they leave feel more like gamergate style of attack with no thinking involved before we are justified in saying and acting however we want because we are angry at X or Y. Its gamer circlejerking about how bad EA are or how fucked the SJWs have made the industry over and over.
I know that Skillup sure as hell doesn't act that way he can have strong opinions and often once it's crossed a line for him he won't give something a chance but he doesn't make 40+min reviews because it's easy he puts his thoughts out there very well I think.
Its funny the YY vids I started with where the long analysis videos of Death Stranding which I enjoyed a lot... I thought that was the sort of channel he was going for but its so much drama, surely he seems smart enough to see what Jason was trying to say.
You talk like anyone could benefit from his platform, you talk like his website is IGN or gamespot lol. Most youtubers like yong have a platform WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY bigger than Austin Walke site.
lol. as far as i'm concerned, they're all the same - regurgitating online posts except one has a british accent, and americans find that more legit, i suppose.
I am sorry my friend but you defend racism and racists even if you do -naively- think that there is grade to hate. There is none. Once you hate, you hate plain and simple.
Anyone that "treats Jewish people differently" because they are Jewish has flicked the switch. I will not congratulate them for their "mild" racism just because, at present, they do not wish all of them to be dead.
They crossed over therefore they are racists. They hate Jews, they are following the nazi path.
Nor do i not consider a pregnant woman as one because "she is on her second or third month", this is bullcrap. She is pregnant and as you probably know, decent people treat pregnant women with more care and tenderness than normal.
Also, there is a significant waste of time discussing any difference between racism and nazism in regard on the topic at hand. They are both excrement, green or red excrement does not make any difference at all.
If we were on discussing the expressions of hatred as perceived by the societies through the ages, we could have had that discussion just for passing time.
I mean I agree with that completely, but it is a gaming news talk show on Youtube in 2018...
For sure, he probably should put out something denouncing these people. It seems like to be successful on Youtube these days, you have to work 10x harder to get and maintain viewers, and make videos with shitty headlines to game their algorithm. Im not saying these people in his comments section are ok or reflective of his content. But it seems like a problem due to how YouTube works these days and it sucks.
Im not going to bat for Yong or his viewers, im just saying I think this is a problem for anyone on YouTube (in the US) creating content like his.
Good thing I'm not talking about most Youtubers then, and I'm specifically talking about the mindset of when to allow someone to benefit from your platform for anyone and not just for Austin.
And the size of a platform doesn't matter. It's the exposure it would give to people not currently aware of an individual.
Not quite sure what point your post is making as a direct response. A person with 1M followers would still be helpful to a person with 2M followers. Since I agree with the notion that Austin's following is smaller, but that doesn't change how he could help someone.
1. i agree, he should close his comment section for his news videos, thou that imho might hurt his views.
2. this is hard for me to answer as i'm not browsing trough Kotaku comments anymore. So yeah, that might be my mistake.
3. imo just simple controversial topic can bring you lots of haters, that's why there no hate in his trailer analysis, and theories videos.
what i don't get is how rereading some articles, tweets on video can bring you haters that represent who you are?
Its because YY feels about the same as Skillup on monetization but IMO Skillup makes better points and videos about it all. But yeah your right about the negative fallout they worry about im sure.
No I'm sorry I'm also watching US based ones and their comments section are again fairly clean .
YY just doesn't want to clean up because he thinks there is no cleaning to do. He agree with those fuckos to an extent
"How does the extent go ?"
Honestly I don't give a shit he's got homophobic gators in his community they're not called out on their BS
I was a viewer , I'll always be bisexual (because being bi is not a choice you're born that way) he doesn't want to clean then I'm out ...
It's that fucking simple really.
ok still not sure why you're replying to me like that when the implications from my posts are that he either doesn't care about the comments and won't touch them due to the chance of hurting his bottom line or that they're views he agrees with.
When I used to watch his channel regularly, he was the best place to go for Metal Gear talk. His channel was basically a Metal Gear show, and he really didnt discuss much of anything else accept Metal gear. After MGSV came out, and Kojima left Konami, his channel completely changed into what it is today.
So yes, he atleast was an actual gamer lol. Not sure about him these days. But back then, he really did put out some great content that you couldnt find anywhere else.
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He has streamed himself playing games like No Man's Sky and Deus Ex MD and he has a video review on Spider-Man. I haven't seen much else really.
Not gonna go and read 5000 comments, but maybe we could have productive discussion if if discussion was moderated?
I agree that he should make video where he calls out and separates himself from those alt-right and toxic people. And somehow try to moderate that comment section.