I'd have to agree. In a capital-driven marketplace the wallet is still your most powerful weapon as a consumer. Large publishers keep a close eye on their budgets, not so much on YT comments sections.
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YongYea & Jason Schreier to discuss Games Industry
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I'd have to agree. In a capital-driven marketplace the wallet is still your most powerful weapon as a consumer. Large publishers keep a close eye on their budgets, not so much on YT comments sections.
On the other silent boycott doesn't work.
For a boycott to work you have to voice out loud why is it that you peaced out of the offer.
Several studies have shown that when a product is silently boycotted slowly but surely the all line of that product is discontinued even and especially in terms of cultural creation industries.
So vote with your wallet AND your argumentation as to why the legs of your wallet will remain tightly shut this time around.
Otherwise the only signal that you send is that you're done with the franchise.
that's because the mass that era identifies as "gamers" it's just a noisy minority compared to the rest of the gaming community that still supports and nurtures the kind of bad business practices that that other part complains about...otherwise like you say thoe practices would take the way of the dodo really fast.
and even inside that noisy part of the community there are toxic people and people that are just there beause they care about their consumer rights, they care about the industry not going in a direction they don't like.
Mmm you have something to say go and say it
Edit: In any case if YY was a GGer his stuff and threads like this wouldn't be allowed here so...uh huh.
Uh huh indeed
Judging from the replies in this thread who aren't aware of Yongyea, good job promoting a YouTuber guy who rails against feminism and 'sjw' in video games, jschreier
Now we have to spend time warning the uninvited about his politics and his audience. Seriously reconsider what you are doing with the position and power you are using when you casually engage with the toxic elements of gaming culture.
Now we have to spend time warning the uninvited about his politics and his audience. Seriously reconsider what you are doing with the position and power you are using when you casually engage with the toxic elements of gaming culture.
Yeah, I agree with that. I don't like YY at all, he's like the equivalent of tabloids and makes money through sensationalism, as I said on this same thread.
Thought their talk was okay. Overall I agreed with Jason on most of his points, but there was a few I didn't. One of them being when he mentioned his twitter insults don't really matter, sorta hurts the argument about online toxicity. Of course there is a massive level of difference between his tweets that were brought up and a lot of the shit we see online. Just can't say I agree in general that "tweets don't matter" although he acknowledged he thinks he needs to change his perspective on that.
Yong didn't really have much to say, seemed a little out of his element and didn't have a great response against the argument that the kind of content he and other YouTubers create can contribute to toxicity. Dodged any problems with his audience when brought up and kind of just deflected with "gamers have a right to voice their opinion and that's just general internet culture" pointing out how he gets insulted sometimes too.
Yeah, if anything YongYea is the one who looks like he's coming off as "passive aggressive" here.
Yong didn't really have much to say, seemed a little out of his element and didn't have a great response against the argument that the kind of content he and other YouTubers create can contribute to toxicity. Dodged any problems with his audience when brought up and kind of just deflected with "gamers have a right to voice their opinion and that's just general internet culture" pointing out how he gets insulted sometimes too.
Yeah, if anything YongYea is the one who looks like he's coming off as "passive aggressive" here.
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TotalBiscuit's support of GamerGate never stopped people from making threads about him, so that's not really true.
For some reason he seems to completely avoid the fact that his community is kinda garbage and deflects by saying "well, not every comment is bad." Ironic, considering he just had a talk where the other person asked him to consider how his influence should be used to better the industry and its community. If he can't even acknowledge that there is a very real issue with the types of people commenting on his channel, then how can he grow as a person?
There are ways to moderate the comment section, but I imagine his viewers would cry censorship if he ever mentioned that, and he knows he needs them.
Jason just shot himself in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about toxic YouTube culture (I'm an expert), but YouTube comments are a huge part of it. It's not like it is on ResetEra where you can become successful by RISING UP. If you screw us all over by talking to a YouTuber, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is that Era posters, after hearing about this, are not going to want to read Kotaku, nor will they read any of Jason's Tweets. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Jason has alienated an entire forum with this move.
Jason, publicly apologize and renounce YongYea or you can kiss your career goodbye.
Yeah I don't know I think people in gaming haven't really grappled with the concept of responsible platforming or the fact that most people in the space don't even believe in the concept of public responsibility unless it cuts into their purse directly. Not sure maybe I'm also just too disillusioned about the concept of debate actually doing anything in our times. If only we come to the table and lay down all the facts for real people will be moved is a concept for me that died with watching what the political landscape is, what skeptic youtube is and what the anti sjw/centrist corner of gaming youtube is.
Austin Walker recently talked about how he would not debate with known insividuals so that they would not benefit from his platform.
I think that's a pretty solid approach. But I am also glad that Jason took the time to directly call out a bigoted fan base.
I think that's a pretty solid approach. But I am also glad that Jason took the time to directly call out a bigoted fan base.
Yeah no ResetEra is a big forum but this thread alone higlights how much we're not a homogenous blob and disagree and quite a looot of things.
If anything I find that Jason did the right thing by trying to shake up YongYea a bit because whether Yong like it or not yes he does have a responsiblity and that tripe that bile that poisonous sludge that plagues his comments section is in part the result of his content, and in part the result of his lack of rock solid moderation.
Try and make a thread about Colin Moriarty or JonTron or a true GGer, see how it goes
So yeah, that is really true.
I don't like YY but that does NOT make him a GGer
People should stop putting people they don't like for whatever reason on the GG truck to demonize them and bring them down.
Or please, go ahead and do it because that says more about the people that do that than their targets
I remember how the No Man's Sky community really turned on him, apparently he even received death threats all because he said the game would be delayed before it was stated officially.
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I didn't update it because there is a thread on the video, but I will update it anyway.
Your takes are always hot garbage but hopefully we won't have to see them again.
Ah that's what happened, I was browsing it while it got merged haha.
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Oh is that right? I updated the OP with the new video link and made it reflect that the previous video is seemingly unavailable now. Thanks.
YY cultivated a community filled with GG-ers. By pushing his own outrage agenda, while criticizing those who want meaningful social change within gaming, he brought toxicity to his own channel.
How hard is to ban certain words in your comment section? When has anyone added anything of value with the word sjw in their comment? Jew? Soy?
YouTubers love making excuses on why it is so hard to control their communities. Yes you are guilty of cultivating toxicity. It is not guilt by association. It is your fault and you can fix it if you wanted to.
How hard is to ban certain words in your comment section? When has anyone added anything of value with the word sjw in their comment? Jew? Soy?
YouTubers love making excuses on why it is so hard to control their communities. Yes you are guilty of cultivating toxicity. It is not guilt by association. It is your fault and you can fix it if you wanted to.
Going by YY's tweets, I'm thinking Jason got played.
He's not really taking anything he said to heart, and really just used him to grant himself more of an air of credibility.
Ron Howard's voice: "He didn't"
He's not really taking anything he said to heart, and really just used him to grant himself more of an air of credibility.
Ron Howard's voice: "He didn't"
I mean, this is his community:
He can pin as many neutral posts as he wants. As long as he doesn't do anything about the rest, they will remain part of his community and his responsibility.
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I've thought about all this GG stuff with Yea's comments and how his content brings the boys to the yard.
Married it with the fact that this is the only way in which Yong makes a living via YouTube. I think if he tries to make a change he will lose a lot of those types of follower effectively lessening the views he gets for his content.
I love that tweet because "OH HE'S JUST A JOURNALIST, NOT A GAMES JOURNALIST"
The dude had an account at LUElinks. Anybody remember that?
Going over the debate, this Yong guy definitely comes across as the higher intellect in the discussion. He has a clarity of thought and sticks to it. Jason's arguments seems to be easily picked apart and he concedes repeatedly.
No, I don't know these gents political stylings and seemingly have the luxury of coming in impartial and calling it as I saw it. Seems many on here made up their mind before the discussion even started which is unfortunate especially in the context of Jason calling for calm and unity from gaming fans.
No, I don't know these gents political stylings and seemingly have the luxury of coming in impartial and calling it as I saw it. Seems many on here made up their mind before the discussion even started which is unfortunate especially in the context of Jason calling for calm and unity from gaming fans.
100% agreed. Toxicity brings money. But he wants it both ways. To get the large views from toxic people and to claim he doesn't promote toxicity within his community.
Yup pretty much and as I said others with millions upon millions of sub when the new autofilters got released decided to use it to the fullest without restraint , and they still have millions of viewers these days. But their comments section is clean. Sooo if the "muh freeze peach" guys were so much believing their own tripe they should have gone by now ? Nope they're still around problem is for them they have to word what their comments in a civil manner. And despite that nobody engages them anymore cuz now that they have to spell it out rather than stay vague , all of a sudden their game is pretty clear ...
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Bingo, it'd be interesting to see how that all plays out after this. I wonder how long he can keep up trying to claim he doesn't promote toxicity while cultivating it at the same time.
The one thing I will say is never before have I ever seen YouTube comments given this much credibility
I have never once seen a single video with YT comments enabled that has had anything of value, and when you add gaming into the mix that probably goes doubly
Where are all the gaming videos with sensible YouTube comments that don't talk absolute fucking bullshit? I assume their must be some since the comments Yong gets are that much worse than the YouTube standard, apparently
Or are they par for the course when it comes to gaming YouTube comments?
If that is the case then maybe people should focus their criticism on his actual content, which is poor enough as it is. By focusing on the idiots in his comment section all it looks like is you're incapable of finding fault in his content/arguments/style
He reads back the news with a sprinkling of misinformation. I've never seen him encourage or endorse the attacking of minorities and women, but I've only seen a few of his videos, so maybe he is doing that, but maybe highlight all the times he's been an asshole alt right knobhead misogynist if he has indeed been an asshole alt right knobhead misogynist
Condemning someone via their YouTube comments is a weak argument
I have never once seen a single video with YT comments enabled that has had anything of value, and when you add gaming into the mix that probably goes doubly
Where are all the gaming videos with sensible YouTube comments that don't talk absolute fucking bullshit? I assume their must be some since the comments Yong gets are that much worse than the YouTube standard, apparently
Or are they par for the course when it comes to gaming YouTube comments?
If that is the case then maybe people should focus their criticism on his actual content, which is poor enough as it is. By focusing on the idiots in his comment section all it looks like is you're incapable of finding fault in his content/arguments/style
He reads back the news with a sprinkling of misinformation. I've never seen him encourage or endorse the attacking of minorities and women, but I've only seen a few of his videos, so maybe he is doing that, but maybe highlight all the times he's been an asshole alt right knobhead misogynist if he has indeed been an asshole alt right knobhead misogynist
Condemning someone via their YouTube comments is a weak argument
There is this massive debate over YT comments and I can honestly say that I have probably read the first comment on a YT thread maybe once or twice. I have not watched all of YY's content but the stuff that I have has never struck me as GG. I started watching his videos around the time SWBF2 was the talk of the town and he like most others were anti MTX. He reminds me of Jim Sterling but without the showmanship. I do think it is a little unfair to say that because his channel has toxic comments that he is toxic as well. I bet you that we could find some really wholesome gaming related YT channels and you would find some equally bad stuff in the comments.
Does YT allow channels to give permission to comment on a video but it not be public? I know a lot of videos ask for people to comment to give feedback so maybe this sort of option would eliminate the toxicity.
Does YT allow channels to give permission to comment on a video but it not be public? I know a lot of videos ask for people to comment to give feedback so maybe this sort of option would eliminate the toxicity.
Go watch any videos from Lazy Game Reviews and try to find a toxic comment.
One is related to the other. YongYea was being criticized for being a provocateur; Jason called him out for feeding on what he sees as the "gamer outrage machine". By constantly making videos about polemic topics without much research done and "just asking questions" YongYea is trying to get a rise of "capital G" gamers, and therefore views. The comments in his videos reflect that. His audience is filled with negativity, hatred towards what they perceive as "games journalists", SJWs and NPCs.
There was a time in my life when I spent nearly all my free time on LUElinks, so yeah. We were all young and dumb once. But it's kind of amazing how the same types of people who railed on Jason back then are still doing it now in the same ways, and don't seem to have matured at all.
My point wasn't about being young or dumb, but the fact that Jason had an account there. From an offshoot forum. From GameFAQs.
"B-but he doesn't care about games" my fuckin' ass. That site was a niche "elitist" forum for people who liked games. That's more "hardcore" than posting here considering how small and niche such a thing was.
Way to not even respond to my post. Care to explain why the fired ArenaNet employees went too far?
I made it to minute 27 before cringing out. I can't stand this attitude where people talk about like gamers are like an oppressed group. Jesus like the lack of self awareness I can't even fucking believe that this is something that needs to be defended. Gamers the same group that does not give a shit about online gaming being a toxic trashland of general human interaction and tell everyone to grow a thicker skin somehow need the "evil" gaming journalist(s) to PC their language or they're going to feel so slighted fucking unreal.
Maybe moderate your comment section more or disable comments altogether before you talk about the misuse of "petulant" is the only thing that flashes through my mind. surreal.
Maybe moderate your comment section more or disable comments altogether before you talk about the misuse of "petulant" is the only thing that flashes through my mind. surreal.
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You know why, it has been debated for pages and pages in this same forum.
At this point we've heard boths sides of the argument dozens of times. Why do you wanna drag me into that pointless discussion yet again?
The point of it, in this thread regarding YY is that supporting the firings doesn't make YY a GRer which is what you were arguing.
YY is not a GGr, even if you like to label him like that to smear him because you don't like his stance on the Arena Net firing.
PS: And, yes, i am a Male. So? Why are you bringing it up?