I think it's her main outfit that bothers me the most. When she was in her ball gown she looked nice because you can actually see her figure. Her main outfit looks so unflattering and ungainly. She looks like a pear.
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I've yet to see that but so far I think they made her legs too thick and her head too small. That's been bothering me the most so far.
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I just finished watching this show. It was definitely enjoyable and better than I expected. The story was a little bit up and down, and I can't see the main "up" (the Adora/Catra/Shadow Weaver dynamic) continuing in season 2, but somehow I feel confident that the writers will be up to the task of writing for season 2.
Some critiques, mostly animation, spoilered because negativity.
Some critiques, mostly animation, spoilered because negativity.
First up, I don't get/didn't like what they were going for with the age of the characters. They seemed to waver between like... 12 and 20, and I never really got a sense of how old anyone was supposed to be. Like, when Adora meets Frosta, Adora sees something totally shocking which I clearly do not see, and Adora asks if Frosta is 10. Frosta says that she's 11, almost 12. At which point I said to myself "Wait. I was only half-joking when I asked myself if Adora is 12 or 20. But this actually matters now, because that thing Adora sees but I don't means something entirely different depending on Adora's age here. If Adora is 12 and Frosta looks ten but is "almost 12", then that's different from Adora being 20. And then Frosta dismisses Adora with "teenagers" and I almost laughed because that means 13 to 19. My crude estimate got narrowed by one year in each direction. Very helpful.
And then there was the size change between Adora and She-Ra. This really did not work for me. I sort of started to suspect it was happening, but it kind of was and it wasn't, until Mermista said that She-Ra was 8 feet tall, and I'm like "Uhh, no." Maybe she is sometimes, but this just seems like a bad idea that didn't work out. This seems related to the age problem, and I don't know if it's a budget thing or if the animators just have a bit of weakness in this area.
Which brings me to She-Ra's overall design. Basically, I hate it. The new sword's got nothing on the old one. That bike shorts + useless skirt combo is terrible, as are the ugly mud-stomper army boots. The armor and gauntlets are great, but she shouldn't be sleeveless with those arms (go slender, muscular, or wear at least partial sleeves). And then her hair somehow makes her look as bald as Aang from ATLA, while wearing a hair-cape. How can someone with that much hair look bald? Bow looks like he has better hair than She-Ra.
Adora meanwhile, looks great (everyone looks fine at least, it's only She-Ra who looks bad, IMO). Maybe a little too much 80's in the shoulderpads, but that's not a bad thing at all. Minor complaint but, why is she still wearing her Horde uniform after rejecting the Horde outright, with them even saying in the second episode that her Horde clothes freak people out? I get that she wouldn't enjoy princess dresses, but she could totally find her own new outfit, like how she changed her bed from princess to something more her style. Perhaps she could've defected wearing legit Horde armor, and then moved into the red/white outfit as her everyday not-Horde-specific clothes?
Final complaint for now, but I didn't like the opening or the transform scene.
These are mostly just surface-level complaints though. Show's good. Hopefully some of these things can be improved. I'm looking forward to season 2.
And then there was the size change between Adora and She-Ra. This really did not work for me. I sort of started to suspect it was happening, but it kind of was and it wasn't, until Mermista said that She-Ra was 8 feet tall, and I'm like "Uhh, no." Maybe she is sometimes, but this just seems like a bad idea that didn't work out. This seems related to the age problem, and I don't know if it's a budget thing or if the animators just have a bit of weakness in this area.
Which brings me to She-Ra's overall design. Basically, I hate it. The new sword's got nothing on the old one. That bike shorts + useless skirt combo is terrible, as are the ugly mud-stomper army boots. The armor and gauntlets are great, but she shouldn't be sleeveless with those arms (go slender, muscular, or wear at least partial sleeves). And then her hair somehow makes her look as bald as Aang from ATLA, while wearing a hair-cape. How can someone with that much hair look bald? Bow looks like he has better hair than She-Ra.
Adora meanwhile, looks great (everyone looks fine at least, it's only She-Ra who looks bad, IMO). Maybe a little too much 80's in the shoulderpads, but that's not a bad thing at all. Minor complaint but, why is she still wearing her Horde uniform after rejecting the Horde outright, with them even saying in the second episode that her Horde clothes freak people out? I get that she wouldn't enjoy princess dresses, but she could totally find her own new outfit, like how she changed her bed from princess to something more her style. Perhaps she could've defected wearing legit Horde armor, and then moved into the red/white outfit as her everyday not-Horde-specific clothes?
Final complaint for now, but I didn't like the opening or the transform scene.
These are mostly just surface-level complaints though. Show's good. Hopefully some of these things can be improved. I'm looking forward to season 2.
Episode 4 was quite the step down from the first three, mainly due to the incredibly generic plot (Group of people who rely on hero/heroine too much learn to fend for themselves). There was some cute stuff here and there like the little kid clutching to She-Ra's arm, but other than that I didn't feel too invested on this episode.
Also, it's incredibly dumb that Adora is still wearing her Hordanian uniform now that she has joined the good guys. Come on, it has the big, red logo in the back of her shirt. Surely that's not going to cause any trouble, right?
Also, it's incredibly dumb that Adora is still wearing her Hordanian uniform now that she has joined the good guys. Come on, it has the big, red logo in the back of her shirt. Surely that's not going to cause any trouble, right?
Just finished it. As a big fan of MOTU this was done well. Better than I thought it was going to be. The love/hate relationship between Catra and Adora is interesting and I like how they portrayed the secret jealousy and animosity of Shadow Weaver towards Hordak like in the original. Queen Angella was the only thing I didn't really like. I liked the nods to the original series. I hope we get more than a cameo from Grizzlor next season. Hopefully Mantenna will show up as well.
DreamWorks becoming the master of 80s cartoon reboots, I really enjoyed this. Best part is undoubtedly the characters, they're all unique, compelling, and fun to follow. Of course, the friendship between the trio is a highlight but the dynamic between Adora and Catra is the beating heart of the series and I'm excited to see that continue to evolve as the show goes on.
I think the show's artstyle doesn't do She-ra's appearance justice. It looks sooooo much better when done in other styles. The show doesn't capture the dynamic elements of it, so it comes off extremely flat.
After thinking about it, Adora was a really terrible friend, she left her Best friend who she has known since childhood with her abuser, and it was only until episode 11 when it came back to bite her in the ass was when she started to show regret, throughout the series she didn't show signs missing her or her other friends that she knows are brainwash as well, and she barely even made the attempt to make Catra switch sides.
I'm about 4 episodes in and I'm really liking it. Netflix does a great job with it's animated original shows.
Logistically speaking I agree with this, but the reality of it is that it's a kids show, and they've pushed pretty hard on
Catra's insecurities leading her down the not-really-redeemable path (at least in the short term.
The only possible angle I can see is that she's secretly so invested in being leader of Hordak's forces is to usurp him or something, but that last series of episodes with her rejecting pretty much anything to do with Adora doesn't leave a lot of leeway for her being 'forgiven'.
The only possible angle I can see is that she's secretly so invested in being leader of Hordak's forces is to usurp him or something, but that last series of episodes with her rejecting pretty much anything to do with Adora doesn't leave a lot of leeway for her being 'forgiven'.
That being said, I can absolutely see how from Catra's side that Adora threw everything in her face by befriending Glimmer and Bow so quickly, and that Adora's 'offer' to switch sides was really weak the first time around, and too little too late the second.
I think the key thing, though, is
Adora 'breaking' her promise to Catra about never leaving/not being there for her - that, and it got twisted/perverted by Shadow Weaver
That being said, it is kind of amusing (in a dour way) to see Catra try to re-affirm her decision as being 'stronger' despite her continual failures, and the fact that She-Ra is pretty much unstoppable.
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Yeah, that's something that bothered me about Adora. She took such a high and mighty stance against Catra but she never seemed to realize that she switched sides and loyalty within such a short span of time.
Catra still does really evil things, but you can see how her mission to destroy the princesses carries a personal vendetta to it.
Someone also mentioned it earlier but Adora really needs to ditch her Horde uniform.
Nah.
Whole series spoilers
They made it clear in the episode 11 flashback that Catra and Adora stick together for mutual support, but Shadow Weaver thinks that Adora is everything and Catra is garbage. Shadow Weaver says outright that she only tolerates Catra's presence because Adora wants Catra to be there, and that if Catra ever jeopardizes or endangers Adora, Shadow Weaver will kill Catra, in spite of Adora's wishes.
Catra could run away. Shadow Weaver wouldn't care. She would be glad to be rid of Catra.
Adora and Catra went out on a bit of an adventure as Adora's apology to Catra for being Shadow Weaver's favorite (as if that's anything to be envied). Catra livened their adventure up, as Catra is wont to do, and Adora got lightly injured. Catra: "Oh no, Shadow Weaver will kill me."
Later that evening, the Sword was messing with Adora's head, so Adora tried to sneak out to look for answers. Catra noticed and tried to tag along, but Adora insisted on going alone to protect Catra, because that way Catra couldn't be blamed for Adora's mischief. Adora wasn't abandoning Catra, she fully expected to be back before people started waking up. Catra's grudge here is that Adora didn't let her join in the latest adventure and risk getting killed by Shadow Weaver. But it's not like Adora was in any position to stop Catra from tagging along if she really wanted to.
Adora got captured, and spent the night having adventures, and wasn't back in time for breakfast. Shadow Weaver lightly pressed Catra for information which Catra didn't have, and which Shadow Weaver didn't need (because Shadow Weaver was tracking Adora). Then Shadow Weaver heavily pressed Catra to make herself useful and go pick up Adora.
Catra then willingly shot up a village full of civilians with a tank, and met up with Adora. Adora explained that her eyes had been opened and the Horde were evil, and asked Catra for help in fighting the Horde and protecting the village. Catra chided Adora for believing anything Shadow Weaver said. But... Catra has no issue with the revelation that the Horde is evil. "Evil is fine as long as we're together." Catra asks Adora to come home. Adora says that she can't go back to the Horde (and Shadow Weaver). Asks Catra to join her in running away from/resisting the Horde. Catra gets upset that Adora is going to throw "everything" away for strangers, and hits Adora with a tazer, twice (and threatened a third), intending now to drag Adora back to the Horde/Shadow Weaver by force.
Catra says it's because Adora abandoned her, and that she's afraid of going back to Shadow Weaver empty handed, but neither of those is really true. The truth is, Catra hates Adora. She hates being protected by Adora (like when Adora went off without her), she's jealous of anything good that happens to Adora (like the promotion to Force Captain, or becoming She-Ra), and she doesn't really give a shit about the bad things that happen to Adora (like Shadow Weaver's abuse).
By the end, Catra realized that she doesn't need Adora's protection anymore, and that was the only reason she stuck with Adora as long as she did, for their mutual protection alliance. And coming to terms with the fact that she's always hated Adora seems to have given Catra clarity and purpose.
Catra could run away. Shadow Weaver wouldn't care. She would be glad to be rid of Catra.
Adora and Catra went out on a bit of an adventure as Adora's apology to Catra for being Shadow Weaver's favorite (as if that's anything to be envied). Catra livened their adventure up, as Catra is wont to do, and Adora got lightly injured. Catra: "Oh no, Shadow Weaver will kill me."
Later that evening, the Sword was messing with Adora's head, so Adora tried to sneak out to look for answers. Catra noticed and tried to tag along, but Adora insisted on going alone to protect Catra, because that way Catra couldn't be blamed for Adora's mischief. Adora wasn't abandoning Catra, she fully expected to be back before people started waking up. Catra's grudge here is that Adora didn't let her join in the latest adventure and risk getting killed by Shadow Weaver. But it's not like Adora was in any position to stop Catra from tagging along if she really wanted to.
Adora got captured, and spent the night having adventures, and wasn't back in time for breakfast. Shadow Weaver lightly pressed Catra for information which Catra didn't have, and which Shadow Weaver didn't need (because Shadow Weaver was tracking Adora). Then Shadow Weaver heavily pressed Catra to make herself useful and go pick up Adora.
Catra then willingly shot up a village full of civilians with a tank, and met up with Adora. Adora explained that her eyes had been opened and the Horde were evil, and asked Catra for help in fighting the Horde and protecting the village. Catra chided Adora for believing anything Shadow Weaver said. But... Catra has no issue with the revelation that the Horde is evil. "Evil is fine as long as we're together." Catra asks Adora to come home. Adora says that she can't go back to the Horde (and Shadow Weaver). Asks Catra to join her in running away from/resisting the Horde. Catra gets upset that Adora is going to throw "everything" away for strangers, and hits Adora with a tazer, twice (and threatened a third), intending now to drag Adora back to the Horde/Shadow Weaver by force.
Catra says it's because Adora abandoned her, and that she's afraid of going back to Shadow Weaver empty handed, but neither of those is really true. The truth is, Catra hates Adora. She hates being protected by Adora (like when Adora went off without her), she's jealous of anything good that happens to Adora (like the promotion to Force Captain, or becoming She-Ra), and she doesn't really give a shit about the bad things that happen to Adora (like Shadow Weaver's abuse).
By the end, Catra realized that she doesn't need Adora's protection anymore, and that was the only reason she stuck with Adora as long as she did, for their mutual protection alliance. And coming to terms with the fact that she's always hated Adora seems to have given Catra clarity and purpose.
I'm pretty sure you can see the exact same moment she realizes this though, in the ball episode when Catra enters the joint. I actually liked the scene a lot, but I might be reading too much into it.
"Trust me, Bow isn't the type to leave his old friends, and neither am - " - This is when she notices Catra - "..I..."
Adora is supposed to be like 16/17 similarly to the 2002 MOTU show where Prince Adam was 16 at the start, I think Glimmer's like 14 while Bow's probably 15/16. Apparently the vagueness of their ages was intentional which...
While I'm not high on the She-Ra design and the shoulder pads are silly I like the overall outfit but there's fan art that IMO took the character design and improved upon it IMO, the shorts+skirt combo is fine though, the shorts exist to resolve the upskirt issue the original show had so they can freely animate the skirt and are as long as they are to show that they're shorts and not underwear, I would've been fine giving her pants too without the skirt but whatever. I'm 100% okay with the sword, it's not as if it's the first time the sword has been redesigned at least on the He-Man side and it's got that tech influence that the 2002 show brought to it, it's kind of got a data key look to it that it could be inserted somewhere. I do wish there was more to finding it than it just being planted in the ground in the Whispering Woods. I've said it before but the transformation leans way too heavy on the Sailor Moon influence than She-Ra but at least they don't over use it, it's really minor. I also wasn't crazy about the song and found it boring comparing to the original intro song but it grew on me when it was playing with the actual intro which I also started to dig after seeing it a few times.
Like the issues with the sword being on Adora's back there's a lot of inconsistencies with She-Ra's size and scale to where it got kind of annoying and it's something that should've been worked out. Having She-Ra with more hair to animate might be too much for the group that did the animation, I get the idea is that the tiara is holding it down but yeah, it's a splotch of yellow that might as well be a helmet. Hopefully that gets worked out and improves as the show goes on.
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This is a great write up/explanation on the relationship though IDK if I'd go that far to say Catra always hated Adora, resented but not outright hated and I don't think she does yet either, feelings are complicated.
I'm expecting... On Catra's future.
Catra almost certainly tries to do what Shadow Weaver has been planning and eventually attempts to usurp Hordak probably to find out how much she (and Shadow Weaver) underestimated him. Coincidentally (though probably not) Catra was originally meant to be Adora/She-Ra's primary nemesis but that changed when it was decided to move Hordak to She-Ra so it's fitting that Catra is being positioned to be that this time around.
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Love the show.
If the writers take the same path that similar shows have, then the story, characterization, and animation should catch up quickly enough that I do not think it worth complaining about.
For now.
Sea Hawk, Glimmer, and Catra are currently my MVPs. Especially glimmer. I am shocked with how much I lover her as a character.
If the writers take the same path that similar shows have, then the story, characterization, and animation should catch up quickly enough that I do not think it worth complaining about.
For now.
Sea Hawk, Glimmer, and Catra are currently my MVPs. Especially glimmer. I am shocked with how much I lover her as a character.
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This feels like a significant oversimplification, judging by what Noelle Stevenson has said in interviews.
Catra definitely holds a lot of resentment towards Adora and I'm sure a fair chunk of hate is present in that dynamic. But to say that's all it's ever been or is the only thing there as far as Catra's opinions and feelings for Adora go is inaccurate. There is some level of love and friendship there still, I think. But it will probably be a long time before that side of the coin wins out again.
Watching it now. Can't get over heart guy's voice reminding me of Dane Cook. It's causing a disconnect that I'm sure I'll get over.
Same. Her design really throws me off and for some odd reason just takes me out of the show whenever she is on screen. Everyone else is great but she is awful.
So I basically watched this within 24 hours lol. I was 3 episodes deep when I first commented and then watched 3 more yesterday afternoon and finished the rest last night. It was just light and fun enough to hook me in the same way as something like Steven Universe or Adventure Time and I'm looking forward to more. Hopefully it DOES follow Voltrons lead and we get 6 episodes or something in about 6 months. Having watched the entire thing now I can see where some of the animation quality complaints are coming from , it didn't really ever bother me that much but there are some spots that look like they've been keyframed at 1's (perhaps just drawn right over a storyboard shot) and then the in between frames were simply after effects shots. Not sure what the overall budget here was but I can only assume it's much lower than Voltron (which generally is on par with Korra/Avatar work from that studio). This is more comparable to a cartoon Network show or something like Samurai Jack and all I can hope for going forward is , since the wonderful women responsible for this show have all gotten their feet wet now , they can push the limits of what they're allowed to do budget wise going forward. Someone above pointed out the She-Ra character design problem , she's supposed to be a hulking lady , 8 feet tall and nigh on invulnerable and for the first half of the series , she is huge when paired with other characters. The second half of the show there are more inconsistencies though , and often times she appears no bigger than Catra. TLDR - I liked this show more than I thought I would , look forward to season 2 + and hope future seasons have most consistent animation and/or a bigger budget.
I don't know, basically every time you see Catra fight She-Ra (not Adora) She-Ra is just towering over her. That last battle is like the Hulk trying to smash Spider-Man
While this is true, I feel it's at least somewhat oversimplifying things.
I think there's a part of Catra that for sure resents Adora, but I think that resentment has festered alongside the friend/shared support system Adora offered from Shadow Weaver. If anything, Shadow Weaver's constant abuse tactics probably left Catra with an utterly fucked view of self-importance and never being 'good' enough.
And not being 'good enough' is what led her to her current state of affairs - with Adora gone (and now an 'enemy'), she's free to finally be the 'best' - or at least, she thinks so.
I imagine there's still some underlying confusion about if she wants to go through with things, but for now I think she's firmly in the villain camp.
The entire crux of the flashback segment in the ruins of Greyskull, before Catra's 'betrayal' of Adora via cutting the spider goop, can be seen as two ways - When young Adora promises to always be there for Catra, it's both showing that Adora did (at one point) care, but also that Catra was never strong enough to be on her own
And not being 'good enough' is what led her to her current state of affairs - with Adora gone (and now an 'enemy'), she's free to finally be the 'best' - or at least, she thinks so.
I imagine there's still some underlying confusion about if she wants to go through with things, but for now I think she's firmly in the villain camp.
The entire crux of the flashback segment in the ruins of Greyskull, before Catra's 'betrayal' of Adora via cutting the spider goop, can be seen as two ways - When young Adora promises to always be there for Catra, it's both showing that Adora did (at one point) care, but also that Catra was never strong enough to be on her own
Yeah, I think this is accurate - I think/imagine that having Catra go more firmly down the 'villain' path is being done as (somewhat less important) version of Adora's heroic transformation, and we'll maybe see a payoff at some point.
Hooray, I'm not the only one :D
The soundtrack is fantastic once you pay attention to it.
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Catra to Adora in ep 11: "Growing up in the Fright Zone wasn't all bad, was it?" Adora thinks Catra is questioning Adora's friendship, and reiterates that her defection had nothing to do with any sort of cracks or weakness in their friendship, it was entirely based on her inability to stomach the Horde's evil. But there's a second meaning to that line, because Catra is really the one questioning her friendship with Adora. Catra seemingly had some fun times with Adora, but Catra's life was mostly bad, and Adora was a tool to make life "less bad". Catra thought that was friendship.
Catra outgrew her need for Adora, but she was still clinging to Adora.
When they were kids, Catra picked a fight with a random superior enemy, and then Adora went out and threw down with that superior enemy with no hesitation, because any enemy of Catra is automatically Adora's enemy too (Adora seems to be doing this out of actual friendship, and not a selfish defense pact). But when Adora is blindsided by the Horde's evil and is forced to make an enemy of the Horde, Catra does not come to Adora's aid. Catra would rather beat Adora into submission and throw her to Shadow Weaver, for whatever miniscule rewards Catra might get for that. Catra doesn't love the Horde. She has no loyalty to them. At this point she still wasn't favored by Shadow Weaver or Hordak. She has no lingering attachments to leave behind. She just refuses to move to accommodate Adora's obvious need.
It's because Catra is outgrowing her need for Adora. The Catra/Adora dynamic has changed/is changing. Catra isn't afraid of Shadow Weaver anymore, nor anyone else. Adora's need to run from the Horde comes at the cost of another inconvenience to Catra, on top of the prices that Catra feels that she regularly needs to pay for Adora's friendship/alliance.
Catra was initially confused by her newfound separation from Adora (actually initiated by Catra, despite Adora's technical defection), but later she released Adora from capture, not because of their residual friendship, but because she wanted Adora gone. Catra likes who she's become in Adora's absence, and doesn't want Adora slipping back into her life.
The magic castle showed Catra these things, and showed Catra who she really was. When the spider grabbed Catra, she briefly tried to call out for Adora again, until she realized that she was capable of freeing herself. And then Adora runs in to try and save Catra, but Catra is disgusted by Adora's attempt to help, and the implication that Catra is someone who needs help.
Which results in Catra grinning like a sociopath as she drops a freaking-out and begging/apologizing Adora off a cliff, before making her move against Shadow Weaver, and having a totally contented look on her face as she watches the world burn. And then she finds out that Adora is still alive, and she says she's glad, because it means she hasn't lost the opportunity to kill Adora with her own two hands (she says while sadistically taunting Adora with the idea of torturing her new friends).
Adora wasn't a bad friend and she never betrayed Catra. She said or did nothing that demanded an apology, but she offered apologies regardless, and asked what she could do to try and preserve their friendship. Catra's the one with issues here, not Adora, and if Catra actually does have some genuine love or affection for Adora, it's buried so deep as to be unrecognizable. One could probably make a better case for Shadow Weaver loving Adora.
Catra outgrew her need for Adora, but she was still clinging to Adora.
When they were kids, Catra picked a fight with a random superior enemy, and then Adora went out and threw down with that superior enemy with no hesitation, because any enemy of Catra is automatically Adora's enemy too (Adora seems to be doing this out of actual friendship, and not a selfish defense pact). But when Adora is blindsided by the Horde's evil and is forced to make an enemy of the Horde, Catra does not come to Adora's aid. Catra would rather beat Adora into submission and throw her to Shadow Weaver, for whatever miniscule rewards Catra might get for that. Catra doesn't love the Horde. She has no loyalty to them. At this point she still wasn't favored by Shadow Weaver or Hordak. She has no lingering attachments to leave behind. She just refuses to move to accommodate Adora's obvious need.
It's because Catra is outgrowing her need for Adora. The Catra/Adora dynamic has changed/is changing. Catra isn't afraid of Shadow Weaver anymore, nor anyone else. Adora's need to run from the Horde comes at the cost of another inconvenience to Catra, on top of the prices that Catra feels that she regularly needs to pay for Adora's friendship/alliance.
Catra was initially confused by her newfound separation from Adora (actually initiated by Catra, despite Adora's technical defection), but later she released Adora from capture, not because of their residual friendship, but because she wanted Adora gone. Catra likes who she's become in Adora's absence, and doesn't want Adora slipping back into her life.
The magic castle showed Catra these things, and showed Catra who she really was. When the spider grabbed Catra, she briefly tried to call out for Adora again, until she realized that she was capable of freeing herself. And then Adora runs in to try and save Catra, but Catra is disgusted by Adora's attempt to help, and the implication that Catra is someone who needs help.
Which results in Catra grinning like a sociopath as she drops a freaking-out and begging/apologizing Adora off a cliff, before making her move against Shadow Weaver, and having a totally contented look on her face as she watches the world burn. And then she finds out that Adora is still alive, and she says she's glad, because it means she hasn't lost the opportunity to kill Adora with her own two hands (she says while sadistically taunting Adora with the idea of torturing her new friends).
Adora wasn't a bad friend and she never betrayed Catra. She said or did nothing that demanded an apology, but she offered apologies regardless, and asked what she could do to try and preserve their friendship. Catra's the one with issues here, not Adora, and if Catra actually does have some genuine love or affection for Adora, it's buried so deep as to be unrecognizable. One could probably make a better case for Shadow Weaver loving Adora.
Binged this with my daughter this weekend.
It's not bad, but it is *really* held back by its flat coloring making it look cheap. That and I find it impossible to take the Horde seriously when all its commanders are literal children. I guess there's an argument to be made for it being some sort of Ender's Game-esque battle school scenario, but that's undermined by everyone shown being a complete goofball.
It's not bad, but it is *really* held back by its flat coloring making it look cheap. That and I find it impossible to take the Horde seriously when all its commanders are literal children. I guess there's an argument to be made for it being some sort of Ender's Game-esque battle school scenario, but that's undermined by everyone shown being a complete goofball.
Only on the second episode, but this is pretty enjoyable so far, even if I think most of the character names are incredibly stupid.
Also, the English captions are particularly bad. It's common for some words to be missing here and there, but I'm not exaggerating when I say that a full quarter to a third of the spoken dialogue is edited out of the transcription here.
Also, the English captions are particularly bad. It's common for some words to be missing here and there, but I'm not exaggerating when I say that a full quarter to a third of the spoken dialogue is edited out of the transcription here.
Forgot to mention, but one thing I'm definitely not a fan of is how everyone (and I do mean EVERYONE) among the rebels knows that Adora is She-Ra, yet for some reason it's supposed to be a secret for the Horde. It definitely doesn't work, because there's way too much compromise and high chance of the secret getting leaked. So far until where I am in the series (Episode 6), the only one who knows form the bad guys is Catra, and it makes sense she won't spill it since she likely doesn't want to throw Adora under the bus, but then we get a scene with Shadow Weaver watching fighting footage of Adora and She-Ra and not making the connection they're the same person... it just looks stupid.
I liked how in the original series, only a few selected people knew the secret, like the animal companion (Battlecat/Swift Wind), someone with a high power (Sorceress/Light Hope), someone close to the hero/heroine (Mat-At-Arms/Madame Razz), and the comedy relief character (Orko/Kowl), plus Loo-kee in the episode where he broke his gimmick. It made the secret identity thing more special and allowed the writers to challenge themselves on certain scenarios. Now Adora just goes around transforming in front of everyone, and as I said, it just doesn't work.
I liked how in the original series, only a few selected people knew the secret, like the animal companion (Battlecat/Swift Wind), someone with a high power (Sorceress/Light Hope), someone close to the hero/heroine (Mat-At-Arms/Madame Razz), and the comedy relief character (Orko/Kowl), plus Loo-kee in the episode where he broke his gimmick. It made the secret identity thing more special and allowed the writers to challenge themselves on certain scenarios. Now Adora just goes around transforming in front of everyone, and as I said, it just doesn't work.
My six-year-old is so into it that we've jumped right into the old show after finishing the new one.
Just finished the season. It's....alright. I think the characters are fun and I like how they play off each other but the overall story and plot details don't feel that strong. There are some definite highlights though like episode 11 (which deals with a lot more personal character relationship stuff) and I think Shadow Weaver is a pretty interesting and strong villain that I want to know more about.
I think the biggest strike against it is the animation which seems to be a common complaint. Some really rough spots throughout (Those plant attacks in Perfuma's episode = yikes) and I can't think of any highlights. The action and staging all felt really flat and boring too. I hope this is something that really improves in season 2.
I think the biggest strike against it is the animation which seems to be a common complaint. Some really rough spots throughout (Those plant attacks in Perfuma's episode = yikes) and I can't think of any highlights. The action and staging all felt really flat and boring too. I hope this is something that really improves in season 2.
Just finished the first 13 episodes. Enjoyed every minute of it! Most of the characters felt pretty engaging, though Frosta and those last two princesses introduced didn't get much screentime relative to the others though I'm certain that can be resolved in the next season.
The characters are fun and the basic plot is sort of engaging but for an action show it's not so good in that regard. Even basic animation looks extremely low budget.
Why does Netflix insist that all these animated shows have the budget of like one episode of Avatar?
Why does Netflix insist that all these animated shows have the budget of like one episode of Avatar?
Seen up to Ep 11, so apologies if the succeeding episodes already address this.
Would Catra benefit from a power up to make her an equal to She Ra? Obviously this show isn't DBZ, and doesn't need to be obsessed about power levels, but I do wonder if making Catra stronger would help raise the threat the heroes have to face.
Despite being among the main antagonists, the narrative seems to imply that on a good day, Catra would at best have a 40:60 win rate against Adora. Against She-Ra, she's a non-issue, at least insofar as being a physical threat.
Would Catra benefit from a power up to make her an equal to She Ra? Obviously this show isn't DBZ, and doesn't need to be obsessed about power levels, but I do wonder if making Catra stronger would help raise the threat the heroes have to face.
Despite being among the main antagonists, the narrative seems to imply that on a good day, Catra would at best have a 40:60 win rate against Adora. Against She-Ra, she's a non-issue, at least insofar as being a physical threat.
No. There are a host of other enemies in the Horde. Season 1 was mostly about establishing the princesses, and subsequent seasons will focus more on establishing the Horde as a legitimate threat.
Plus there are always plenty of plots to take Adora's powers/sword away from her.
Seen up to episode 10. Like most people, I enjoyed Catra a lot.
I think it is a budget show, the animation is shabby and faces go out of model a few times, unlike something like Avatar for example.
It does not make any sense.
I think it is a budget show, the animation is shabby and faces go out of model a few times, unlike something like Avatar for example.
It does not make any sense.
Entrapta gets taken, big deal! They spent the whole plan to save ONE princess, they could come back to save another but they gave up as soon as it's not the main character.
The sea princess said "being together makes us weak", but it was because they were together, they were able to save Glimmer.
The sea princess said "being together makes us weak", but it was because they were together, they were able to save Glimmer.
I'm going to get around to start watching Avatar today but from what I understand it was pretty much the end of the era of animated shows having a relatively high budget and I do imagine this show is on the lower end for a modern animated TV series. Hopefully it improves.
I think you're over looking that they think Entrapta died in the explosion that happened right after the door closed behind her and the demoralizing effect of it. Mermista isn't really a source of positivity in a hesitant alliance.
They thought she died in the explosion, it´s pretty clear when Bow says she´s really gone
Somehow I only remembered the door closing.
With no death so far it is hard to feel there's risks to what they do.
Entrapta joining the Horde makes sense. She's a poster child of True neutral alignment.
Entrapta joining the Horde makes sense. She's a poster child of True neutral alignment.
I don´t know if I agree
About the risk, I hate using death as a way to raise stakes, most of times it feels cheap. The final battle for me had all the stakes it needs for a children show without needing to kill characters that still have room to grown
And Entrapta joining the Horde is a node to the original show where she was a straight up a villain
And Entrapta joining the Horde is a node to the original show where she was a straight up a villain
Catra can hiss, that's so cute. I remember she purrs at the beginning of the show too.
What happens in this universe when two different species consummate? I don't think I've seen any furry mix race characters, only one of each type so far.
What happens in this universe when two different species consummate? I don't think I've seen any furry mix race characters, only one of each type so far.
Fair enough. I will get to the final episode soon. I liked how Ep11 ended.
I tried. I really tried to come at it with an open mind. There were some bits of animation I liked. But a whole lot of it just feels flat and forced. I realize it isn't meant for me and if some kids get into, that's great... but at times it just felt like they wished they were making a different show.
Also the shipping illustrations of 12 year olds can stop.
Also the shipping illustrations of 12 year olds can stop.