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Deleted member 4976 · Nov 29, 2017

DrMario said:
Oh, I'm perfectly aware of the "blanket ban" and how fringe /extreme this entire board is. It's a great place to get gaming news and have some good intelligent discussions with many good people. But yea, once things get political then the crazy starts to seep out of the cracks.

The extremism is referring to colin as an "outspoken racist. " but it's 2017, so you can't try to make a nuanced point without someone —who hasn't watched the content—labeling you a racist.

Luckily for the rest of us, Brandon can sift through the nonsense, realize the accusations has silly, and agree to go on his show. When even the chill love and respect touting Brandon jones doesn't agree with you....you're probably doing it wrong.

We know he's a racist. Some of us have interacted with him and have confirmed it. He doesn't have nuanced points. He's a "but both sides" Trump supporter.

And I thought you were leaving? Door hit you on the way out?

Go be merry with your other communities.

Joqu · Nov 29, 2017

Mole stream definitely is a lot of fun, good job Tregard. I really hope they do more of this!

Deleted member 5086 · Nov 29, 2017

DrMario is trying to get a rise out of the community, so it's probably best to just ignore him.

Joqu said:
Mole stream definitely is a lot of fun, good job Tregard. I really hope they do more of this!

I keep hearing good things about the group stream. I'm looking forward to watching it later. Congrats again, Tregard !

DrMario · Nov 29, 2017

Primethius said:
We know he's a racist. Some of us have interacted with him and have confirmed it. He doesn't have nuanced points. He's a "but both sides" Trump supporter.

And I thought you were leaving? Door hit you on the way out?

Go be merry with your other communities.

Well if you guys are gonna keep quoting me with nonsense, I'm gonna keep responding.

"We know he's a racist. "

Exhibit A of "the extreme crazies never think they're the extreme crazies. "

Also, he's been a vocal anti trump guy. So there's that.

Stowaway Silfer · Nov 29, 2017

Good riddance.

Diplo · Nov 29, 2017

Easy Allies is my favorite gaming coverage site there is, I actually was primarily a Kinda Funny fan until I realized how much of a piece of shit Colin is. I haven't really watched Kinda Funny since Colin left though, I do love Greg but feel like he needs a better support cast when with EZA, there's a ton of good gaming personalities.

Believe me, there is nobody in the world that hates Colin Moriarty more than me, I've been blocked by him on twitter 4 times, but I literally have no issue with Brandon being on Colin's show. Colin was in the industry long enough, I'm sure he still has his fair share of acquaintances in the gaming press and that is fine. I don't look at Brandon any different, now if he came out and shared the same views as Colin, than I would definitely have an issue with it.

Even though I'm not a patreon supporter (I'm poor sorry), the fact that people are dropping support because of this is crazy to me. Colin is not going to be on EZA, nothing about EZA is changing, he is just having a conversation with an old acquaintance in his free time. Seems like a total non-story to me.

With that said, I don't really understand what Brandon has to gain being on Colin's show. Isn't Colin's show only about politics? Or is it video games too? Like I said if Brandon is there to talk politics and agrees with Colin's views than I'll have a complete different opinion on it

Deleted member 4976 · Nov 29, 2017

I hope we get a Huber reaction to the Infinity War trailer. That's the kinda hype I'm feeling right now.

ShadyK54 · Nov 29, 2017

Primethius said:
I hope we get a Huber reaction to the Infinity War trailer. That's the kinda hype I'm feeling right now.

"You guys know I always talk about 'culmination'... but AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR is THE culmination of culminations!"

ThanksVision · Nov 29, 2017

i know it's disappointing for many supporters here, but i ended up pulling my pledge. it wasn't entirely due to brandon's upcoming appearance, but that was definitely the straw that broke the camel's back. I enjoy paying to support the guys (especially bosman--love him), but the reward tier of getting a podcast a couple days early (i.e. when a timely news podcast should be coming out anyway) hasn't really felt worth it to me for the last couple weeks.

But yeah, Brandon going on that show is gross enough for me to pull the pledge. CM is just such a weasel--the countless tweets, talking smack about members of gaming press, crawling back to the games industry after denouncing it because his patreon numbers are decreasing... Brandon going on that show is a small legitimization of CM's return to games, and I don't like it. We know Brandon is a good guy, but sitting down with someone like CM is just straight up condoning the latter's behavior for me. And I just don't like the idea that members of EZA will follow Brandon over to that discussion and be exposed to someone like CM. It's just not a good look

Tetsujin · Nov 29, 2017

Meanwhile I try to avoid trailers for movies I'm hyped for...I'm being tested right now.

Deleted member 4976 · Nov 29, 2017

ShadyK54 said:
"You guys know I always talk about 'culmination'... but AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR is THE culmination of culminations!"

Ha, I read that in his voice. Works for me.

Axass · Nov 29, 2017

Silfer said:
Good riddance.

I get what you mean, but I hope we can be better than that.

As Ian said, let's try to be open to discussion, even when we feel strongly against something. There's no other way to try and live with each other. Stifling others' ideas won't make them go away, we should try to change their minds if anything.

Just my humble opinion.

I hope the situation gets a nice closure one way or the other, because it's always bad to feel the community fighting itself due to opposing views.

L&R

Alucrid · Nov 29, 2017

Diplo said:
Easy Allies is my favorite gaming coverage site there is, I actually was primarily a Kinda Funny fan until I realized how much of a piece of shit Colin is. I haven't really watched Kinda Funny since Colin left though, I do love Greg but feel like he needs a better support cast when with EZA, there's a ton of good gaming personalities.

Believe me, there is nobody in the world that hates Colin Moriarty more than me, I've been blocked by him on twitter 4 times, but I literally have no issue with Brandon being on Colin's show. Colin was in the industry long enough, I'm sure he still has his fair share of acquaintances in the gaming press and that is fine. I don't look at Brandon any different, now if he came out and shared the same views as Colin, than I would definitely have an issue with it.

Even though I'm not a patreon supporter (I'm poor sorry), the fact that people are dropping support because of this is crazy to me. Colin is not going to be on EZA, nothing about EZA is changing, he is just having a conversation with an old acquaintance in his free time. Seems like a total non-story to me.

With that said, I don't really understand what Brandon has to gain being on Colin's show. Isn't Colin's show only about politics? Or is it video games too? Like I said if Brandon is there to talk politics and agrees with Colin's views than I'll have a complete different opinion on it

it's not just him going on the show, it was also his underwhelming response to comments and concerns about it on his (patreon exclusive) cup of jones video yesterday in addition to other reprehensible behavior (from within the community and outside it) revolving around this issue that i don't believe was adequately addressed. obviously we have no control over what they do within EZA and especially outside it however if i feel that other avenues of making my point have been ignored or overlooked what other choice am i left with? if they acknowledge the misstep and show plans to better prepare themselves to deal with issues like this within the community in the future i'd be glad to pledge again, until then...

ShadyK54 · Nov 29, 2017

Axass said:
I get what you mean, but I hope we can be better than that.

As Ian said, let's try to be open to discussion, even when we feel strongly against something. There's no other way to try and live with each other. Stifling others' ideas won't make them go away, we should try to change their minds if anything.

Just my humble opinion.

I hope the situation gets a nice closure one way or the other, because it's always bad to feel the community fighting itself due to opposing views.

L&R

I can see that. Then again, it was clear from the guys initial post that it was not going to go that way whatsoever. It is what it is.

In schedule news, I'm so excited for next week! PSX (and now TGA's!) should be a good time filled with good vibes.

MrMette · Nov 29, 2017

Axass said:
I get what you mean, but I hope we can be better than that.

As Ian said, let's try to be open to discussion, even when we feel strongly against something. There's no other way to try and live with each other. Stifling others' ideas won't make them go away, we should try to change their minds if anything.

Just my humble opinion.

I hope the situation gets a nice closure one way or the other, because it's always bad to feel the community fighting itself due to opposing views.

L&R

I totally agree with this. I didn't like reading this stuff here a few days ago and it's the same thing right now.
Hopefully it will be over after that podcast gets released.

The arguing about the whole topic seems to do more damage to this fantastic community that EZA built the last almost 2 years than Jones will do by actually going to that stupid podcast.

Alucrid · Nov 29, 2017

MrMette said:
I totally agree with this. I didn't like reading this stuff here a few days ago and it's the same thing right now.
Hopefully it will be over after that podcast gets released.

The arguing about the whole topic seems to do more damage to the community than Jones will do by actually going to that stupid podcast.

why do you think the arguments cropped up in the first place?

Servbot24 · Nov 29, 2017

MrMette said:
I totally agree with this. I didn't like reading this stuff here a few days ago and it's the same thing right now.
Hopefully it will be over after that podcast gets released.

The arguing about the whole topic seems to do more damage to this fantastic community that EZA built the last almost 2 years than Jones will do by actually going to that stupid podcast.

It's not the community's fault for having a discussion about it.

Deleted member 4976 · Nov 29, 2017

MrMette said:
I totally agree with this. I didn't like reading this stuff here a few days ago and it's the same thing right now.
Hopefully it will be over after that podcast gets released.

The arguing about the whole topic seems to do more damage to this fantastic community that EZA built the last almost 2 years than Jones will do by actually going to that stupid podcast.

What damage is being done to the community?

It seems fine to me.

Asbsand · Nov 29, 2017

ShadyK54 said:
"You guys know I always talk about 'culmination'... but AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR is THE culmination of culminations!"

No, no, you're getting too cute with it. Gotta respect it!
Simply "Culmination" is just right. It has to be pure.
"I wanna talk about, The AVENGERS. INIFINITY. WAR... Culmination!"

MrMette · Nov 29, 2017

Alucrid said:
why do you think the arguments cropped up in the first place?

When I read people's opinions last week it seemed to me most of them were saying they were ok with him going on that podcast as long as Colin didn't come on EZA stuff (which I completely agree with).
But now that he actually is going to do it (which there was a great chance of), people are changing their minds (which is fine, I am not telling other people how to think).

I personally don't see Jones going on some podcast as Brandon Jones having anything to do with the EZA. Sure, Colin has said mindbogglingly idiotic things, but the idea that when you react with a racist you become a racist yourself seems absurd to me.
I am in no way defending Colin as he seems an asshole and racist and whatever else and I don't like it either, but as long as it were words and not actions (like literally killing killing people or telling other people to killing people), I don't see why you can't have a conversation (about videogames) with somebody like that outside of EZA. You don't get the same ideology or become the same person when you talk to somebody else.

I do agree that it would have been better for the EZA community if he didn't go (and I wish he didn't because I hate this whole thing about it), but in the end Jones will be the same Jones after he went there than he is right now. He won't be brainwashed or anything.

AgentChris · Nov 29, 2017

While the way Jones handled some of this we have to remember that he isn't the head of EZA. There are eight others that need our support.

MrMette · Nov 29, 2017

Primethius said:
What damage is being done to the community?

It seems fine to me.

We had a chill/easy going community that stood quite well together and now there is infighting everywhere (I know this is somewhat of a hyperbole).
I know it will be ok after this whole thing is over, but it bothers me somewhat and just reading the debates here gets me riled up (because I am relatively good in seeing other people's arguments, but I can't make other people do the same thing).
I am not saying you are wrong, it is your opinion and I understand it, but I think the reaction to this small thing is much bigger than it should be as it won't change anything for EZA if he does on there or not.

Servbot24 said:
It's not the community's fault for having a discussion about it.

No, of course it isn't. I am not saying you shouldn't discuss this at all. If you feel like EZA does something you don't like, you should tell them of course. But they should be able to react to that criticism how they think is best. Jones clearly was torn about the whole thing and for some reason he decided to go anyway. You can be sure Colin won't show up at an official EZA video.

Maybe I am more surprised by how close minded people seem to be for understanding other people's views if they don't agree with their own, but that's possibly because except for EZA stuff I don't really read forums and comment sections.

DemonSwordsman · Nov 29, 2017

MrMette said:
do agree that it would have been better for the EZA community if he didn't go (and I wish he didn't because I hate this whole thing about it), but in the end Jones will be the same Jones after he went there than he is right now. He won't be brainwashed or anything.

Are people actually concerned about this? If so I feel like they must be either very young or immature to believe that is something that happens.

Deleted member 5086 · Nov 29, 2017

DemonSwordsman said:
Are people actually concerned about this? If so I feel like they must be either very young or immature to believe that is something that happens.

No one said that. At least no one here.

Elshoelace · Nov 29, 2017

MrMette said:
When I read people's opinions last week it seemed to me most of them were saying they were ok with him going on that podcast as long as Colin didn't come on EZA stuff (which I completely agree with).
But now that he actually is going to do it (which there was a great chance of), people are changing their minds (which is fine, I am not telling other people how to think).

I personally don't see Jones going on some podcast as Brandon Jones having anything to do with the EZA. Sure, Colin has said mindbogglingly idiotic things, but the idea that when you react with a racist you become a racist yourself seems absurd to me.
I am in no way defending Colin as he seems an asshole and racist and whatever else and I don't like it either, but as long as it were words and not actions (like literally killing killing people or telling other people to killing people), I don't see why you can't have a conversation (about videogames) with somebody like that outside of EZA. You don't get the same ideology or become the same person when you talk to somebody else.

I do agree that it would have been better for the EZA community if he didn't go (and I wish he didn't because I hate this whole thing about it), but in the end Jones will be the same Jones after he went there than he is right now. He won't be brainwashed or anything.

I don't think anyone was saying that Jones would "become a racist" for interacting with Colin. People think that it's a bad idea to interact with a racist as it gives that person legitimacy and more of a platform. Plus why would you want to interact with someone that is a racist? Additionally, the idea that well if you only say racist things and not kill people its okay to have a fun chat is odd.

Alucrid · Nov 29, 2017

MrMette said:
When I read people's opinions last week it seemed to me most of them were saying they were ok with him going on that podcast as long as Colin didn't come on EZA stuff (which I completely agree with).

i didn't get that to be the prevailing sentiment at all

But now that he actually is going to do it (which there was a great chance of), people are changing their minds (which is fine, I am not telling other people how to think).

he said he was going to be on it today

I personally don't see Jones going on some podcast as Brandon Jones having anything to do with the EZA. Sure, Colin has said mindbogglingly idiotic things, but the idea that when you react with a racist you become a racist yourself seems absurd to me.

i haven't read anything implying jones to be racist or that he would become a racist. if you want to disparage people who don't like the idea of him going on the show like that i'd like some proof.

I am in no way defending Colin as he seems an asshole and racist and whatever else and I don't like it either, but as long as it were words and not actions (like literally killing killing people or telling other people to killing people), I don't see why you can't have a conversation (about videogames) with somebody like that outside of EZA. You don't get the same ideology or become the same person when you talk to somebody else.

I do agree that it would have been better for the EZA community if he didn't go (and I wish he didn't because I hate this whole thing about it), but in the end Jones will be the same Jones after he went there than he is right now. He won't be brainwashed or anything.

again people seem to lack perspective on this issue. it's not just going on the show and talking about video games it about going on the show in spite of the poor treatment of members of the EZA community by moriarty and his fans and his failure to address it.

Dineren · Nov 29, 2017

I imagine it would also be incredibly disappointing for the people targeted by Colin's words and actions to know Jones is going to sit there chatting away amicably on his show about video games without even denouncing Colin's past actions (which Colin never even apologized for). It's just an incredibly bad look.

MrMette · Nov 29, 2017

DemonSwordsman said:
Are people actually concerned about this? If so I feel like they must be either very young or immature to believe that is something that happens.

I am sorry, nobody said that at all. I was trying to understand why people are so incredibly opposed to 2 people talking to each other. I am sure not a lot of people really think this is a thing.
I was just trying to find some words as I am not a native English speaker and while I like to think I am ok at English, when I try to speak my mind about things like this I tend to write weird sentences.

Deleted member 4976 · Nov 29, 2017

MrMette said:
We had a chill/easy going community that stood quite well together and now there is infighting everywhere (I know this is somewhat of a hyperbole).
I know it will be ok after this whole thing is over, but it bothers me somewhat and just reading the debates here gets me riled up (because I am relatively good in seeing other people's arguments, but I can't make other people do the same thing).
I am not saying you are wrong, it is your opinion and I understand it, but I think the reaction to this small thing is much bigger than it should be as it won't change anything for EZA if he does on there or not.

I'm not really seeing a lot of infighting (aside from the one troll dude who got banned). And I don't think the reaction to this thing is bigger than it should be.

I speak for myself, but I'm sure others share the sentiment, the issue is less so Jones appearing on Colin's show and more so how he handled the entire thing.

The communication sucked. If all "Love & Respect" is ever going to be is a motto to hide behind to avoid confronting issues, than it's worthless.

MrMette · Nov 29, 2017

Elshoelace said:
I don't think anyone was saying that Jones would "become a racist" for interacting with Colin. People think that it's a bad idea to interact with a racist as it gives that person legitimacy and more of a platform. Plus why would you want to interact with someone that is a racist? Additionally, the idea that well if you only say racist things and not kill people its okay to have a fun chat is odd.

I am not saying it is ok to say racist things. Of course it isn't, it is deplorable.
That said, I do try to see good in people and it's not because they have insanely bad traits that you can't talk to them.
That's why I don't have necessarily a problem talking to a racist if they don't try to push their ideas on me (although it depends on what they said/did). eg: I would probably not talk to some of the crazy war criminals/racists the world has seen over the years.

DemonSwordsman · Nov 29, 2017

Primethius said:
I'm not really seeing a lot of infighting (aside from the one troll dude who got banned). And I don't think the reaction to this thing is bigger than it should be.

I speak for myself, but I'm sure others share the sentiment, the issue is less so Jones appearing on Colin's show and more so how he handled the entire thing.

The communication sucked. If all "Love & Respect" is ever going to be is a motto to hide behind to avoid confronting issues, than it's worthless.

While not the best communication, I feel like he has said pretty clearly in this and the previous COJ. People won't be happy until it's what they want to hear. Jones has been saying for a long time he wants to collaborate and be on other people's shows, it sucks that Colin is the first one rather than even KF but maybe this is the first opportunity he has.

Deleted member 5086 · Nov 29, 2017

MrMette said:
I am sorry, nobody said that at all. I was trying to understand why people are so incredibly opposed to 2 people talking to each other. I am sure not a lot of people really think this is a thing.
I was just trying to find some words as I am not a native English speaker and while I like to think I am ok at English, when I try to speak my mind about things like this I tend to write weird sentences.

I understand your concern, but I don't think this will break the community. Amongst the people who are disappointed by the way things were handled, some are still patrons (probably most), and there's nothing wrong with either reaction. Even the people who are happy or fine with the situation, 99% of the posts are respected and don't lead to bickering. The problem is when people come in and dismiss other people's feelings on the matter simply because it isn't important to them, or come in to gloat and antagonise the community. That was never going to lead to anything productive.

Regarding the mood of the thread, I think trying to force the conversation on to a different topic will only make people dwell on the issue longer. Last week I noticed that when people tried to urge others to change the topic, that only led to more tense posts. When people naturally steered the conversation to other topics through their own posts, that was a lot more effective. I would suggest the same here again.

CyReN · Nov 29, 2017

Has there been any real backlash or is this more of a vocal minority kinda of thing? The topic has destroyed this thread for the last week or so, but it's usually the same posters over and over again. I worry that we are going to reach the point where people will scout PSX pictures and see who the Allies chat with to see if they pull their patreon or support. Seems overblown for something that isn't going to be on EZA channel, site or stream.

MrMette · Nov 29, 2017

Primethius said:
I'm not really seeing a lot of infighting (aside from the one troll dude who got banned). And I don't think the reaction to this thing is bigger than it should be.

I speak for myself, but I'm sure others share the sentiment, the issue is less so Jones appearing on Colin's show and more so how he handled the entire thing.

The communication sucked. If all "Love & Respect" is ever going to be is a motto to hide behind to avoid confronting issues, than it's worthless.

Maybe I am reading more into it that it actually is, that's possible as well.

I understand he should have addressed the attacking of the community member and he should have.
I don't know the details about this, but if Colin did put up his followers to attack them by posting screenshots, it should have been at least addressed. He was clearly not comfortable with the whole thing and I think he was still torn on if he should go or not when he started Cup Of Jones. Somebody would have been pissed off, whatever he had said or done.

That said, different people react differently to some things. I loved and agree with Ian's reaction for example.
I understand where most of you are coming from and it is valid for sure. I don't mind him going on the show, but I wouldn't have done it if I were him and he should have addressed the attach on the EZA member.

Hasney · Nov 29, 2017

CyReN said:
Has there been any real backlash or is this more of a vocal minority kinda of thing? The topic has destroyed this thread for the last week or so, but it's usually the same posters over and over again. I worry that we are going to reach the point where people will scout PSX pictures and see who the Allies chat with to see if they pull their patreon or support. Seems overblown for something that isn't going to be on EZA channel, site or stream.

It's the most prominent posters in this thread in general discussing it, so it would be the same accounts talking about something else otherwise.

As for the last point, if you can't see the difference between someone doing something officially and professionally and who they talk to, I'm not sure what to say. It's been a multitude of issues culminating in the messaging in the last Cup of Jones, which was poor. It's not just "he's going on Colin's show", but that is the line for some people whereas ignoring the fact he decided to get his followers to go harass a member of the community for speaking his mind via screenshotting Tweets is there for some people too.

Alucrid · Nov 29, 2017

CyReN said:
Has there been any real backlash or is this more of a vocal minority kinda of thing? The topic has destroyed this thread for the last week or so, but it's usually the same posters over and over again. I worry that we are going to reach the point where people will scout PSX pictures and see who the Allies chat with to see if they pull their patreon or support. Seems overblown for something that isn't going to be on EZA channel, site or stream.

it's discussed at length, although not in depth, in a cup of jones video. is that enough to warrant continued conversation about this topic?

Openrob · Nov 29, 2017

Axass said:
I've been really busy in the last month and haven't followed the thread, but I've seen the patreon CoJ post and wanted to chime in. I really, actively, don't like Colin. That said I can understand Jones wanting to do a collab with him, even though I don't like the idea, and I'm certainly not pulling my patronage over this.

However, what I don't understand is Jones doing such a thing with Colin first. We've been saying for months, if not years, that the Allies need to do more collabs, appear on other gaming shows/channels, do more events, especially charity ones. Yet, one of the first collabs they do after months and months is with Colin, one of the most controversial and hated figures in the games media at the moment.

That sucks. If they did something with Mega64, Tim from Kinda Funny, Giant Bomb, What's Good Games, Danny O'Dwyer, Screw Attack, the AVGN, GameXplain, DYKG, Jim Sterling or literally anyone else first, it'd be more bearable to have Jones go there. The fact that after months of promises about eventually collaborating with someone, he goes to Colin's show first out of all options is disappointing.

The thing with Collabs is that the other person has to say yes.

kevin1025 · Nov 29, 2017

CyReN said:
Has there been any real backlash or is this more of a vocal minority kinda of thing? The topic has destroyed this thread for the last week or so, but it's usually the same posters over and over again. I worry that we are going to reach the point where people will scout PSX pictures and see who the Allies chat with to see if they pull their patreon or support. Seems overblown for something that isn't going to be on EZA channel, site or stream.

For me it's the disappointment of associating with someone that holds those views. I won't stop supporting Easy Allies or watching their stuff, but it's definitely disappointing.

MXAGhost · Nov 29, 2017

Primethius said:
I hope we get a Huber reaction to the Infinity War trailer. That's the kinda hype I'm feeling right now.

The hype is real and the train has left the station.

MrMette · Nov 29, 2017

Toon Link said:
I understand your concern, but I don't think this will break the community. Amongst the people who are disappointed by the way things were handled, some are still patrons (probably most), and there's nothing wrong with either reaction. Even the people who are happy or fine with the situation, 99% of the posts are respected and don't lead to bickering. The problem is when people come in and dismiss other people's feelings on the matter simply because it isn't important to them, or come in to gloat and antagonise the community. That was never going to lead to anything productive.

Regarding the mood of the thread, I think trying to force the conversation on to a different topic will only make people dwell on the issue longer. Last week I noticed that when people tried to urge others to change the topic, that only led to more tense posts. When people naturally steered the conversation to other topics through their own posts, that was a lot more effective. I would suggest the same here again.

You are right again. I am not saying anybody is wrong here. I don't get to tell other people how to feel. But imo it is important (to any community and the world in general) to have people with different opinions talking to each other because otherwise there is a possibility that it would become an echo chamber (I am not saying this is the case here, I don't think it is) and that's not a good thing as people should think about things themselves instead of just saying/copying what other people think.

However I am somewhat afraid this whole thing will keep other people from wanting to collab with EZA, but I hope I am wrong.

I will just try to leave it as is as my posts are not helping this either. I am sure it will die down again.

Budi · Nov 29, 2017

So I've tried to give bit more time to check what Moriarty has exactly said and what his views actually are besides that Tweet. Is he really denying systematic racism in America overall, or just that Asian Americans aren't the ones suffering from it? I found a Reddit thread where he was discussing this, but he really wasn't open and clear about his views and seems to just love playing the victim and being "misunderstood". He seemingly does deny that he would have insinuated that African Americans or other minorities aren't affected by systematic racism. But that tweet very easily reads like that, so why the hell he doesn't properly clarify. It shouldn't be that hard. Anybody can point me to a direction where I should look for more?

Paches · Nov 29, 2017

Axass said:
I've been really busy in the last month and haven't followed the thread, but I've seen the patreon CoJ post and wanted to chime in. I really, actively, don't like Colin. That said I can understand Jones wanting to do a collab with him, even though I don't like the idea, and I'm certainly not pulling my patronage over this.

However, what I don't understand is Jones doing such a thing with Colin first. We've been saying for months, if not years, that the Allies need to do more collabs, appear on other gaming shows/channels, do more events, especially charity ones. Yet, one of the first collabs they do after months and months is with Colin, one of the most controversial and hated figures in the games media at the moment.

That sucks. If they did something with Mega64, Tim from Kinda Funny, Giant Bomb, What's Good Games, Danny O'Dwyer, Screw Attack, the AVGN, GameXplain, DYKG, Jim Sterling or literally anyone else first, it'd be more bearable to have Jones go there. The fact that after months of promises about eventually collaborating with someone, he goes to Colin's show first out of all options is disappointing.

Your last paragraph is the most puzzling part of all of this. Kind of a head scratcher. Tim from KF would have been a perfect fit for the kind of environment EZA wants to bring.

seansmith9322 · Nov 29, 2017

Budi said:
So I've tried to give bit more time to check what Moriarty has exactly said and what his views actually are besides that Tweet. Is he really denying systematic racism in America overall, or just that Asian Americans aren't the ones suffering from it? I found a Reddit thread where he was discussing this, but he really wasn't open and clear about his views and seems to just love playing the victim and being "misunderstood". He seemingly does deny that he would had insinuated that African Americans or other minorities aren't affected by systematic racism. But that tweet very easily reads like that, so why the hell he doesn't properly clarify. It shouldn't be that hard. Anybody can point me to direction where I should look for more?

You seem like a dad letting his daughter go out on her first date lol.

CyReN · Nov 29, 2017

Alucrid said:
it's discussed at length, although not in depth, in a cup of jones video. is that enough to warrant continued conversation about this topic?

It is, but I'm guessing in the last week it's been 20+ pages has been on this topic.

MrMette · Nov 29, 2017

CyReN said:
It is, but I'm guessing in the last week it's been 20+ pages has been on this topic.

It's because it is something a part of the EZA community strongly believes in. I can't speak for this myself since I am not a minority and some of that stuff is (I think, but maybe I am wrong about this) more prevalent in the US than it is here in Belgium/Europe, but I can understand that people strongly are opposed to anybody who is somewhat racist/sexist because they have to deal with stuff like that all the time themselves.

Budi · Nov 29, 2017

seansmith9322 said:
You seem like a dad letting his daughter go out on her first date lol.

Haha. I just want to make sure what exactly I'm being okay with when I say that I don't mind if Brandon is his guest. Could be that I'm not okay with even that. I feel bit pressured to condemn a person I don't know or are very familiar with.

Alucrid · Nov 29, 2017

Budi said:
So I've tried to give bit more time to check what Moriarty has exactly said and what his views actually are besides that Tweet. Is he really denying systematic racism in America overall, or just that Asian Americans aren't the ones suffering from it? I found a Reddit thread where he was discussing this, but he really wasn't open and clear about his views and seems to just love playing the victim and being "misunderstood". He seemingly does deny that he would had insinuated that African Americans or other minorities aren't affected by systematic racism. But that tweet very easily reads like that, so why the hell he doesn't properly clarify. It shouldn't be that hard. Anybody can point me to direction where I should look for more?

if you want some context the person who he's replying to with that tweet is in the alt right sphere. and yes, he is implying that the "model minority" stereotype that gets attached to asian americans proves that white supremacy or racism aren't reasons why other minorities in america aren't succeeding. so he's using a hurtful, racist stereotype to explain away the racism that other minorities face. as for the reason why he's being wishy washy about it, well, it's probably nice to be able to say racist things like that and have a little room to fall back on to claim that you're not racist. welcome to colin moriarty i guess.

CyReN said:
It is, but I'm guessing in the last week it's been 20+ pages has been on this topic.

ok? that was when it was up in the air. now we've heard back from him and his response we're discussing that.

Axass · Nov 29, 2017

Openrob said:
The thing with Collabs is that the other person has to say yes.

Of course, and I'm aware that some people refused in the past. I didn't want to oversimplify.

Paches said:
Your last paragraph is the most puzzling part of all of this. Kind of a head scratcher. Tim from KF would have been a perfect fit for the kind of environment EZA wants to bring.

Maybe I didn't explain myself clairly enough. What I meant was that anyone from that long list of people would've been better than Colin. In fact I really like what I've seen of Tim.

Deleted member 5086 · Nov 29, 2017

MrMette said:
It's because it is something a part of the EZA community strongly believes in. I can't speak for this myself since I am not a minority and some of that stuff is (I think) more prevalent in the US than it is here in Belgium/Europe, but I can understand that people strongly are opposed to anybody who is somewhat racist/sexist because they have to deal with stuff like that all the time themselves.

I'm from the UK. I assure you minorities have to deal with plenty here, too. But more importantly, I really appreciate that you're trying hard to look at things from other people's perspective.

Paches · Nov 29, 2017

Axass said:
Maybe I didn't explain myself clairly enough. What I meant was that anyone from that long list of people would've been better than Colin. In fact I really like what I've seen of Tim.

Oh, I meant I agree with that paragraph in particular! Those would be great people to do something with.

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