Yep - OR - they refund the game before they even play it (like I did)
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Artifact Closed Public ßeta, November 18-28 |OT| An out of season October 2018 Fool's Joke
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Yep - OR - they refund the game before they even play it (like I did)
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I mean yeah, knew that. They just shouldnt be surprised when they get nothing good outta packs
As an old-time MTG player and someone who regularly buys like 150 packs for every Hearthstone set (using Amazon coins, so at a 25% discount) I'm very far from the F2P player experience so I'm quite willing to throw money at this game. I was gonna say that having a way to get rid of cards for event tickets would be a great way to stabilize the economy and also get rid of the starter heroes problem. And oh hey as I was writing this I just saw an update.
For not liking the game? A lot of people have issues with the game.
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Adding a dust system seems like a good idea even if it's not redeemable for cards.
What is a call to arms phantom draft?
What is a call to arms phantom draft?
Damn that Artifact blog post. They're actually listening to community feedback?! Confidence and hype restored.
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UPDATE
The Artifact public beta is starting later today. All attendees from this year's International and everyone who redeemed a beta key will find the game activated in their Steam account.
Since lifting the NDA on the private beta yesterday, there's been an overwhelming amount of feedback on all parts of the game. Much of that feedback has been a clear signal that we underestimated how much interest and excitement the community has around certain features that weren't available in the initial beta build.
We want to take a few minutes to talk about some of those missing features now:
Please enjoy the beta, and keep sending us your feedback.
UPDATE
The Artifact public beta is starting later today. All attendees from this year's International and everyone who redeemed a beta key will find the game activated in their Steam account.
Since lifting the NDA on the private beta yesterday, there's been an overwhelming amount of feedback on all parts of the game. Much of that feedback has been a clear signal that we underestimated how much interest and excitement the community has around certain features that weren't available in the initial beta build.
We want to take a few minutes to talk about some of those missing features now:
- There was no way to do a draft event with friends. We didn't prioritize this play mode, and had planned to enable it sometime after release. We've heard your feedback: drafting with friends is a core part of what you want to spend your time doing in Artifact. In the next Artifact beta build, you can select Call To Arms Phantom Draft in any user-created tournament.
- There was no way to practice the draft modes without spending an event ticket.Drafting is incredibly fun, but can also be very intimidating. We agree that it's important to have a way to practice before venturing into a more competitive mode. In the next Artifact beta build, everyone who has claimed their starting content will find a Casual Phantom Draft gauntlet available in the Casual Play section.
- There was nothing to do with duplicate starter heroes. We're adding a system that allows extra, unwanted cards to be recycled into event tickets. This feature will ship before the end of the beta period.
Please enjoy the beta, and keep sending us your feedback.
Posted it in the other thread but I wonder how Casual Phantom Draft will work with people abandoning and redrafting decks to get a good one. That's not really in the spirit of draft and will probably make it a lot less appealing.
But good changes all around.
But good changes all around.
I don't see how that's an issue. They can issue you an x hour/day ban if you abandon and after y amount of abandons you get permanently banned from the whole game mode.
So, it's a typical Valve not talking about stuff and it biting them in the ass thing. Judging from how Valve delayed this beta in the first place, guess they are further behind in development than they had hoped to be at this point.
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Honestly, Valve should be in full damage control.
Everyone with a beta key should get a friend beta code and an extra pack or some shit
Everyone with a beta key should get a friend beta code and an extra pack or some shit
That's some quick turnaround on responding with promises of features. The beauty of this being a "beta" period and all that. And that's very, very good news on "worthless" card recycling, though we'll have to see exactly how that plays out.
It'll be interesting to see how they balance the price of recycling, especially as the market price of cards fluctuate.
for the lazy:
UPDATE
The Artifact public beta is starting later today. All attendees from this year's International and everyone who redeemed a beta key will find the game activated in their Steam account.
Since lifting the NDA on the private beta yesterday, there's been an overwhelming amount of feedback on all parts of the game. Much of that feedback has been a clear signal that we underestimated how much interest and excitement the community has around certain features that weren't available in the initial beta build.
We want to take a few minutes to talk about some of those missing features now:
The first two changes will be live for everyone when the public beta activates later today. We'll ship the recycling system, as well as other improvements to the beta, over the next week and a half.
- There was no way to do a draft event with friends. We didn't prioritize this play mode, and had planned to enable it sometime after release. We've heard your feedback: drafting with friends is a core part of what you want to spend your time doing in Artifact. In the next Artifact beta build, you can select Call To Arms Phantom Draft in any user-created tournament.
- There was no way to practice the draft modes without spending an event ticket.Drafting is incredibly fun, but can also be very intimidating. We agree that it's important to have a way to practice before venturing into a more competitive mode. In the next Artifact beta build, everyone who has claimed their starting content will find a Casual Phantom Draft gauntlet available in the Casual Play section.
- There was nothing to do with duplicate starter heroes. We're adding a system that allows extra, unwanted cards to be recycled into event tickets. This feature will ship before the end of the beta period.
Please enjoy the beta, and keep sending us your feedback.
Fantastic. Didn't expect the recycling into tickets. It sounds like it can be beneficial to the marketplace, removing cheap worthless cards from the market incrementally to help people finish making said ticket.
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I seriously don't get all these "greedy valve" takes.
Literally how is hearthstone's model fairer?
You might have the chance to grind for some free stuff, but if you drop cash, everything is about 5-10 times as expansive as it is in Artifact.
Hearthstones model is only better for those who don't plan on dropping real cash ever.
How will the economy handle useless cards like bad commons? I assume at some point everyone will get stuck with lots of useless commons and the market will get flooded with these for sale for 1 cent or something meaningless like that. Will they let you convert them to draft tickets?
And I appreciate the honesty of the Artifact monetization system. You pay for everything. No grinding, no scummy F2P tactics to annoy people to buy, etc. Though I assume the overall cost to complete a collection of Artifact cards will be less than Hearthstone because with Hearthstone you can theoretically get a complete set for $0, so they have to add in more filler and bad cards. Since Artifact has only real money entering the system they can have the average quality of the content be higher.
And I appreciate the honesty of the Artifact monetization system. You pay for everything. No grinding, no scummy F2P tactics to annoy people to buy, etc. Though I assume the overall cost to complete a collection of Artifact cards will be less than Hearthstone because with Hearthstone you can theoretically get a complete set for $0, so they have to add in more filler and bad cards. Since Artifact has only real money entering the system they can have the average quality of the content be higher.
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Yes, the latest update says you can recycle them for tickets (draft/arena)
LOL but no recycling in Dota 2
but how many extras you need to convert it into an event ticket? it's probably not going to be that great because then you can buy worthless cards off the market and convert them to tickets or something. Or maybe this means there won't be any worthless card or cheap card on the market because people would rather convert theirs to tickets?? Increasing the price floor of the cards as a result.
This whole economy thing can get very complicated. It's a game in itself. I don't think this addition was something they had planned, it's reactionary but they gotta get the numbers right or it will have other side effects creeping up later.
This whole economy thing can get very complicated. It's a game in itself. I don't think this addition was something they had planned, it's reactionary but they gotta get the numbers right or it will have other side effects creeping up later.
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But unlike Hearthstone there are hoarders and market manipulators. People who will sit on OP cards because they are bored and have $10,000 steam dollars.
Or people who manipulate the market just to drive up the price and then sell when demand increases.
Conversion gives cards a floor on the marketplace. Pretty smart considering they'll be taking a cut out of those sales for sure.
Indeed. If # of extras = ticket > $1.00, the market can fall. If it's less, the prices in the market could rise.
Yes, each player gets 5 packs of Call to Arms packs (Set #1) and draft with them. You don't keep the cards you draft. If it is Casual mode, there is no entry and there are no rewards. If it is Expert, it costs a ticket and you can win tickets/packs if you win games.
Not good.
Exhibit A: TI player cards.
Exhibit B: Drafts don't even return cost of entry for 5 wins, when Hearthstone Arena gives you cost back at ~4 wins (finishing at 12 wins).
Exhibit C: The game has 2 purchasable currencies, tickets and packs.
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So it's kind of like a pauper phantom draft?
Or is the entire first set of cards referred to as Call to Arms?
Pauper usually means 'commons only'.
Call to Arms is the name of the base set of cards/packs.
Free casual draft, even with no prizes, sounds fantastic to me. As well as being able to recycle cards for event tickets to play the drafts with prizes.
Argh, I'm so on the fence. I think I'm going to cave if Valve really are going to be this quick to listen.
Argh, I'm so on the fence. I think I'm going to cave if Valve really are going to be this quick to listen.
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hahaha they have like a whole team on artfax compared to like 3 people on the Dota team
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Valve is usually good about feedback, I'm more surprised they're working on a sunday.
I have to say I'm not liking closed beta players saying constructed sucks, I'm pretty indifferent to limited formats so constructed being a snooze is a no go for me. Maybe they got burnt out testing it through the year.
I have to say I'm not liking closed beta players saying constructed sucks, I'm pretty indifferent to limited formats so constructed being a snooze is a no go for me. Maybe they got burnt out testing it through the year.
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Constructed really needs the Steam Community Market otherwise it's all RNG on what cards you get
Closed beta players had access to all the cards though. I wouldn't be surprised if it's just a form of meta burn out.
Rdu specifically said some hero just broken as hell tho. That the reason why he think constructed is close to unplayable state right now.
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Why are people opening packs then?
Kripp opened $300 worth and didn't get the ones he wanted.
Sing must've spent around $300 as well
This was going to be my question but they answered it swiftly. This has been very back and forth but it's looking like Valve have dragged it back around to the right direction.
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