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Nepenthe

When the music hits, you feel no pain.
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Oct 25, 2017
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Not all statements and videos are equal and you know it. There were threads about cases where it was plain impossible to twist it that the black person was in the wrong.
Those same threads will have people still "waiting for the facts," or people concern-trolling about the fact that the video didn't start at the very beginning of an incident.

Acting like people don't come into every single thread about incidences like this with the preconceived notion that black people make shit up is extremely disingenuous, and you know it.
 

Dream Machine

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Oct 25, 2017
13,085
I still don't get how they were able to determine they were dine and dashers. Especially from tweets from years past. Most Chipotle are high traffic locations, I wouldn't remember a customer I served a year ago if I worked there.
You think the guy only did it on the occasions when he tweeted about doing it? If you work in a service industry job, you remember faces of particular customers, good and bad, even if they are high traffic locations.
 

Mikebison

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
11,036
Also, she ain't getting paid anywhere near enough to deal with this shit. Just let her get on with her job.
 

HiLife

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
39,625
I have no idea why people are so hard for calling this woman racist (is she not a POC herself?) for not serving these guys when they've actually stolen multiple times.

Common sense people.

Latinos, Asians, African Americans, Pacific Islanders and any other POC can be racist towards another POC.

Is this something you never heard of?

Since the tweets have been revealed the thread switched up. What are you even talking about now lol
 

NinjaScooter

Member
Oct 25, 2017
54,126
Bruh why you trying so hard to defend thieves and people generally just trying to cause shit?

Someone pretty heinous examples of poc getting treated like shit by workers of various companies, but this ain't one of them.

I'm not defending thieves. Not sure where you are getting that. I'm saying companies are going to fire/discipline you if you break their policies. I'm saying even if these guys had dined and dashed before, this manager failed at her job. Chipotle obviously agreed. Their statement says as much.
 

TheRuralJuror

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Oct 25, 2017
6,499
Well, I actually waited to get "more information". There is a fine line for an outsider between being open for the problems of a minority group and outcry with no information avaiable. This case was confusing and more complicated from the beginning then like the case where a white woman called the police on a little black girl for selling limo.

Oh give this shit a rest. We're on a forum and people react. If they continue on after receiving updated info, then maybe you've got a point. Kind of sad to come around only looking to admonish others.
 

Enzom21

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,989
I have no idea why people are so hard for calling this woman racist (is she not a POC herself?) for not serving these guys when they've actually stolen multiple times.

Common sense people.
Do you really think just because someone is a PoC that they can't be racist to a PoC of a different race? Don't tell me you're that naive.
 

laminated

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,283
It wasn't her money being lost. It wasn't coming out of her pocket. Her employees are paid hourly, they weren't losing anything either. She wasn't protecting anything but a couple bucks worth of company goods. She overstepped her bounds. That's not something a manager should do, even if she had good intentions. Company's don't want that. And as a manager representing Chipotle, she should know that. I've worked retail. In college I worked in the shoe department of a Sears, where people stole shit all the time. They'd just put their old shoes in the box and walk out with the new ones. And sometimes I'd get a person who I knew stole before come back. I wouldn't break company policy and ask them to leave a deposit or pay up front before trying shit on. That's ridiculous. That's not my place, and quite frankly, it's not my money. And I 100% would have been disciplined had I done that. It just creates too much potential for liability, and that's certainly not something you want out of your manager.

Have you worked in the food industry? Like really, have you had to prep and produce batches of food? Do you think an employee should make up more beans, salsa, etc because someone had stolen the food made for people who actually plan to pay for it? You prep a certain amount for customers, and when someone steals, you have to make up for that to serve your paying customers. It is additional labor to make up for the lost product. They don't get paid *more* for that labor. It's different when you work in a shoe store because you don't make the shoes. But when you're developing carpal tunnel to cut veggies, or wearing out your rotator cuffs to lift produce or stir pots, you want to make sure you get the most out of that product, whether you're the boss or not. The manager did what I would expect them to do when they work in a labor intensive job..not a fucking shoe store.

FYI: I'm a baker, so I can empathize with the Chipotle employees.
 

Mikebison

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Oct 25, 2017
11,036
I'm not defending thieves. Not sure where you are getting that. I'm saying companies are going to fire/discipline you if you break their policies. I'm saying even if these guys had dined and dashed before, this manager failed at her job. Chipotle obviously agreed. Their statement says as much.

You're moving the goalposts here to make it a personal argument against NinjaScooter

If you think a manager of the store is supposed to just let people steal shit, when they're known to have stolen shit before, then you don't live in the real world.

She. Did. Nothing. Wrong.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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It wasn't her money being lost. It wasn't coming out of her pocket. Her employees are paid hourly, they weren't losing anything either. She wasn't protecting anything but a couple bucks worth of company goods. She overstepped her bounds. That's not something a manager should do, even if she had good intentions. Company's don't want that. And as a manager representing Chipotle, she should know that. I've worked retail. In college I worked in the shoe department of a Sears, where people stole shit all the time. They'd just put their old shoes in the box and walk out with the new ones. And sometimes I'd get a person who I knew stole before come back. I wouldn't break company policy and ask them to leave a deposit or pay up front before trying shit on. That's ridiculous. That's not my place, and quite frankly, it's not my money. And I 100% would have been disciplined had I done that. It just creates too much potential for liability, and that's certainly not something you want out of your manager.



They hadn't done anything. If they steal, call the cops. Until then, follow company policy. Don't start treating people differently based on something you think they might do, or might have done a week ago.
This is a really weird thing to take a stand on. Company policy isn't going to cover every scenario and asking someone to pay first when they have a history of claiming not to have money after ordering is perfectly reasonable.
 

Nepenthe

When the music hits, you feel no pain.
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Oct 25, 2017
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If you think a manager of the store is supposed to just let people steal shit, when they're known to have stolen shit before, then you don't live in the real world.
Corporate policy is usually as such that staff cannot intervene in outright theft. You say fuck corporate policy.

She did and she's out of a job because of it.
 

rjinaz

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Oct 25, 2017
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Oh give this shit a rest. We're on a forum and people react. If they continue on after receiving updated info, then maybe you've got a point. Kind of sad to come around only looking to admonish others.
Yep once people had the full information, people rightfully turned on the thieves. It's not hard.
I saw this thread before the update and didn't comment on it because I didn't feel like this was the whole story. But I also didn't come into the thread wagging my finger at people after the fact for assuming a Black man was targeted by racism in America.
 

Riderz1337

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Oct 25, 2017
3,913
Looking at that dudes twitter and it's almost safe to say he has stolen before. Maybe not from this location but definitely from different ones.

Dont lie on the internet folks, it will come back to bite you in the ass.
 

Titik

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Oct 25, 2017
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She can ask them to leave then. Asking them to pay upfront was the stupid part.
Yeah she is definitely could have handled that situation better. Although I will most likely get flustered too, especially when he was most likely gloating how he is recording them, etc. Guy seems like a professional troll and likes to get a rise out of people.
 

Mikebison

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Oct 25, 2017
11,036
She can ask them to leave then. Asking them to pay upfront was the stupid part.
Asking them to leave/if you wanna get served you need to pay first. What's the difference?

If anything, she's done them a solid. You can steal eat her, I won't cause you trouble, but you gotta pay first.

Pretty reasonable considering they've stolen Before.
 

Subutai

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Oct 25, 2017
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Of course, some piece of shit tags that racist fuck Cernovich in one of those tweets exposing this dude. I wonder why he did that...
 

StrapOnFetus

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,355
TX
Is it possible for her to file a wrongful termination suit against Chipotle? Harder to do if it is a at will state.
 

Titik

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Oct 25, 2017
7,490
Asking them to leave/if you wanna get served you need to pay first. What's the difference?

If anything, she's done them a solid. You can steal eat her, I won't cause you trouble, but you gotta pay first.

Pretty reasonable considering they've stolen Before.
Asking them to leave woukd have deescalated the situation faster.
 

Pet

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The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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SoCal
I'm still not entirely convinced there wasn't a bit of racism in her actions, but I also think she only had sucky choices based on what she thought.

1. Deny service to black people without reason, looking racist
2. Ask them to pay first, looking racist
3. Serve them food thinking that they'll try to dine and dash

In hindsight, with a camera on you, #3 is the best PR course of action but that's not usually how people think.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Those same threads will have people still "waiting for the facts," or people concern-trolling about the fact that the video didn't start at the very beginning of an incident.

Acting like people don't come into every single thread about incidences like this with the preconceived notion that black people make shit up is extremely disingenuous, and you know it.

I agree with you that such people exists and that's a problem, doesn't make the opposite not a problem though.

Better than coming across as callous to social issues, assault, and racism by always giving the benefit of the doubt until hard facts prove otherwise, I guess?

Yeah, I mean it turns me on as well when a woman loses her job because of a media outcry despite a lack of information in this case - makes me really look like I care about social justice in the world.
 

Byakuya769

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Oct 29, 2017
2,718
Wow. What a fucking idiot. Hopefully she can get her job back.

Stealing chipotle and bragging on social media about it is lame, teenager stuff. I can look over that. Being 20+, getting called out on it and then blasting people on social media to look like Rosa Parks is infuriating.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Of course, some piece of shit tags that racist fuck Cernovich in one of those tweets exposing this dude. I wonder why he did that...
Here we go. Watch, according to those fucks every incident before this didn't exist.
So, naturally, this is their ticket to calling every future incident like this one fake and bullshit.
 

Nepenthe

When the music hits, you feel no pain.
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Oct 25, 2017
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I agree with you that such people exists and that's a problem, doesn't make the opposite not a problem though.
What is the opposite?

Presuming that black people are discriminated against in America?

If you don't want that to be the default assumption, then you'd better get to work on eliminating white supremacy.
 

data

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Oct 25, 2017
4,719
Wow, Chipotle doesn't even investigate the allegations before firing their workers. Kinda shitty behavior.

They probably didn't even ask the employees for their side of the story( which the video /past tweets could have proved otherwise)
 

jaekeem

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Oct 27, 2017
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she prob would have gotten fired anyways if she just asked them to leave, based on teh shitstorm the initial tweets caused
 

TheModestGun

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Dec 5, 2017
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She can ask them to leave then. Asking them to pay upfront was the stupid part.
I hate to say it but this probably would have played out exactly the same way except maybe the narrative would have been that the Chipotle doesn't serve black people.

This whole situation is fucked though cuz I hear shitty conservatives claiming minorities "cry wolf" and "regularly lie" about these situations and moments like this just give those assholes ammo for that narrative.
 

NinjaScooter

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Oct 25, 2017
54,126
Wouldn't the story and the response be "she shouldn't have refused them service" then?

Seems like she was fucked in one way or another as a manager no matter what she did once this asshole tried to make her into Chipotle Charlene.

Which is why she should have just served them like normal. Unless she has some kind of proof that these guys stole, like surveillance footage or something tangible, it wasn't worth this kind of escalation. Not if you are working someplace where corporate expects you to defend their interests, not just their food.