Wkd Box Office - 11•9-11•18 - $66M for Grinch. Dragon Tattoo bombs. Venom > Justice League WW.

Seeya · Nov 17, 2018

270M is now locked and Venom 2 is likely to be a billion dollar film. Spider-Man 3 (890M) in danger. 900M possible.

kswiston Enjoying the ride my man? :Venom emote:

MMarston said:

We gotta super impose Venom onto some of those Scarecrow scenes.

Prompto · Nov 17, 2018

People better start hoping Far From Home does a lot more than Homecoming. Otherwise Sony is just leaving money on the table not crossing over Tom Holland Spidey and Venom. Guess we'll see. I imagine Avengers 4 hype might help Far From Home significantly.

Seeya · Nov 17, 2018

Prompto said:
People better start hoping Far From Home does a lot more than Homecoming. Otherwise Sony is just leaving money on the table not crossing over Tom Holland Spidey and Venom. Guess we'll see. I imagine Avengers 4 hype might help Far From Home significantly.

Let's not forget that Far From Home might get a bump from Sony Pictures Venom.

What a sentence.

Jiggy · Nov 17, 2018

Fantastic Beasts 2 has a B+ Cinemascore and 39% on RT, far and away the worst recieved film in the franchise

Legs are going to be tragic

Ithil · Nov 17, 2018

The Depp Curse continues.

berzeli · Nov 17, 2018

BronsonLee said:
Venom lol

Border · Nov 17, 2018

Fantastic Beasts looking at a 61-64 million opening weekend. How bad is that news?

Schlorgan · Nov 17, 2018

Border said:
Fantastic Beasts looking at a 61-64 million opening weekend. How bad is that news?

$200m budget. If legs are as bad as they look, we may not get a third movie

berzeli · Nov 17, 2018

Schlorgan said:
$200m budget. If legs are as bad as they look, we may not get a third movie

Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes Of Grindelwald took in $43M at the international box office on Friday, casting spells in 79 markets, 24 of which were added yesterday. The Warner Bros sequel/spinoff is currently running 14% higher than Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them at the same point in play and in like-for-likes. The offshore cume through Friday is $74.3M and while there's been an ease in domestic projections, the global running tally through yesterday is $100M.

You're getting a third movie.

Seeya · Nov 17, 2018

berzeli said:
You're getting a third movie.

A third movie is still likely but it does depend on the legs. Upfront being slightly up are to be expected with the growth of international markets since the original. The movie like had a larger Marketing budget on top of the production budget. The more likely scenario would be a cut in initially proposed budget and reworks for the third film.

Border · Nov 17, 2018

Schlorgan said:
$200m budget. If legs are as bad as they look, we may not get a third movie

I doubt they'd ever kill this franchise, that seems a little extreme.

They will cut back the budget though, and probably try to lean much harder into nostalgia. Which is a bummer because FB2 already felt like it was trying too hard with "Hey guys remember Hogwarts? Remember Dumbledore? Remember Nagini?"

StrayDog · Nov 17, 2018

Seeya said:
Let's not forget that Far From Home might get a bump from Sony Pictures Venom..

Panic!!!

BladeoftheImmortal · Nov 17, 2018

I mean, I'm glad venom is making money, but the movie was still shit .Hopefully they'll get some real talent in the writing and directing department for the next one.

Deleted member 42 · Nov 17, 2018

There are two things WB will never stop making:

Harry Potter movies
DC movies

Playco Armboy · Nov 17, 2018

Seeya said:
270M is now locked and Venom 2 is likely to be a billion dollar film. Spider-Man 3 (890M) in danger

Odds of passing Homecoming?

Heshinsi · Nov 17, 2018

berzeli said:

How is there so such a variety and breadth of gifs for this nightmare fuel monster?

kurahador · Nov 17, 2018

BronsonLee said:
There are two things WB will never stop making:

Harry Potter movies
DC movies

Here's what WB won't be able to make:
Mad Max sequel
Justice League sequel

mjc · Nov 17, 2018

They'll do a third Beasts movie, put the series on ice for a few years, then look at doing a new HP movie. Book it.

Pein · Nov 17, 2018

Rock's my venom hoodie proudly while enjoying the salt.

Deleted member 42 · Nov 17, 2018

kurahador said:
Here's what WB won't be able to make:
Mad Max sequel
Justice League sequel

Fury Road cost like 400 mil and Miller is suing them so no shit they won't do another one

JL they can kinda try again whenever

Seeya · Nov 17, 2018

shintoki said:
Does it have a shot to pass Homecoming? Because I will make a thread for that alone

If you're planning on doing something elaborate, start working on that thread, my brother.

Richter1887 said:

Playco Armboy said:
Odds of passing Homecoming?

Passing Homecoming. A Seeya-Black-Panther-will-reach-700M promise.

Jiggy · Nov 17, 2018

Seeya said:
A third movie is still likely but it does depend on the legs. Upfront being slightly up are to be expected with the growth of international markets since the original. The movie like had a larger Marketing budget on top of the production budget. The more likely scenario would be a cut in initially proposed budget and reworks for the third film.

WB is going to have quite a headache on how to move forward with this franchise

It's the second film in their planned five film series and it's already underperforming domestically and in China with a disastrous critical reception on top of that

Principate · Nov 17, 2018

Seeya said:
If you're planning on doing something elaborate, start working on that thread, my brother.

Passing homecoming. Seeya Black Panther promise.

That thread would undoubtedly be a shitshow an entertaining shitshow.

Philly Cheesesteak · Nov 17, 2018

BladeoftheImmortal said:
I mean, I'm glad venom is making money, but the movie was still shit .Hopefully they'll get some real talent in the writing and directing department for the next one.

Puck Beaverton · Nov 17, 2018

There is no greater joy than me seeing Venom be hella successful

Give Hardy the Oscars

BladeoftheImmortal · Nov 17, 2018

Yes, but a really good one :p

Border · Nov 17, 2018

mjc said:
They'll do a third Beasts movie, put the series on ice for a few years, then look at doing a new HP movie. Book it.

I can't believe they were planning on carrying the Grindelwald arc for 3 more movies. I hope this makes them consider wrapping up that story and moving on to something more compelling. If Johnny Depp isn't a draw like he used to be, then I really don't see the point.

Principate · Nov 17, 2018

I wonder if we'll eventually get Black Suit Spiderman in Sony's Venomverse.

kswiston · Nov 17, 2018

Jiggy said:
WB is going to have quite a headache on how to move forward with this franchise

It's the second film in their planned five film series and it's already underperforming domestically and in China with a disastrous critical reception on top of that

FB1 in China opened to $40M and made about $85M total. This one is looking like $36-38M opening weekend, and will probably top out at $55-60M total.

Fantastic Beasts 1 opened to around $75M domestic, and had a better than 3.1x OW multiplier here for a $234M finish. I am going to guess around a 2.7x opening weekend multiplier for Fantastic Beasts 2 given the word of mouth. Thanksgiving is going to boost legs, but I am not expecting it to last long into December. If you assume around $63M this weekend, that gives you roughly $170M domestic. That's is probably even on the optimistic end. Something closer to 2.5x OW ($158M total) wouldn't really surprise me either.

So roughly $320M for FB1 vs maybe $230M for FB2 in Domestic + China. Even if the rest of the world is around even, that's around a $100M drop from the first film. I am going to go out on a limb and say that international legs won't be as good either. So, sub 700M is likely. Maybe enough for them to do the third film, but they should start considering budget cuts.

J_Viper · Nov 17, 2018

Zack Snyder's Fantastic Beasts 3

Rvaan · Nov 17, 2018

kswiston said:
FB1 in China opened to $40M and made about $85M total. This one is looking like $36-38M opening weekend, and will probably top out at $55-60M total.

Fantastic Beasts 1 opened to around $75M domestic, and had a better than 3.1x OW multiplier here for a $234M finish. I am going to guess around a 2.7x opening weekend multiplier for Fantastic Beasts 2 given the word of mouth. If you assume around $63M this weekend, that gives you roughly $170M domestic.

So roughly $320M for FB1 vs maybe $230M for FB2 in Domestic + China. Even if the rest of the world is around even, that's around a $100M drop from the first film. I am going to go out on a limb and say that international legs won't be as good either. So, sub 700M is likely. Maybe enough for them to do the third film, but they should start considering budget cuts.

(Somewhat) Fantastic Beast(s) and Where to Find Them 3

kswiston · Nov 17, 2018

Rvaan said:
(Somewhat) Fantastic Beast(s) and Where to Find Them 3

Fantastic Beasts 3: Tom Riddle vs Harry Potter's grandpa who looks exactly like Harry and is played by Daniel Radcliffe: Please be Excited.

Slayven · Nov 17, 2018

They should pay me to reboot the Harry potter universe

J_Viper · Nov 17, 2018

Seeya said:
270M is now locked and Venom 2 is likely to be a billion dollar film. Spider-Man 3 (890M) in danger. 900M possible.

Chaos Legion · Nov 17, 2018

There was a Forbes article I agreed with. Sony should have just kept on with TASM and Garfield.
Garfield and Hardy would have been beautiful.

carlsojo · Nov 17, 2018

I'll just say this: Fantastic Beasts was always a fucking dumb premise. I have no idea how they want to make it into five films.

Schlorgan · Nov 17, 2018

About to go see FB2 with my wife and her family, who are all crazy hardcore Harry Potter fans that loved the first movie (I thought it was alright). Hopefully it either surprises me and I like it or it's bad enough that none of them like it either, or things could get real awkward.

kswiston · Nov 17, 2018

Schlorgan said:
About to go see FB2 with my wife and her family, who are all crazy hardcore Harry Potter fans that loved the first movie (I thought it was alright). Hopefully it either surprises me and I like it or it's bad enough that none of them like it either, or things could get real awkward.

I have heard that it was basically 2 hours of fanservice and convoluted plots. I get the impression that it's not bad enough for you to enjoy it as a trainwreck, but doesn't really offer much to viewers who not big fans.

Jiggy · Nov 17, 2018

kswiston said:
Maybe enough for them to do the third film, but they should start considering budget cuts.

Budget cuts, a second screenwriter, maybe even finding some new blood for the director's chair

I'm not even a Yates hater but he's done like 6 straight Potterverse movies, it'd be nice to get a filmmaker to mix things up a little a la Cuaron with PoA

Chaos Legion said:
There was a Forbes article I agreed with. Sony should have just kept on with TASM and Garfield.
Garfield and Hardy would have been beautiful.

Can't even imagine how poorly ASM3 would have performed

Border · Nov 17, 2018

Chaos Legion said:
There was a Forbes article I agreed with. Sony should have just kept on with TASM and Garfield.
Garfield and Hardy would have been beautiful.

Garfield couldn't have carried Spider Man any further I don't think.

It's crazy to think that even Spiderman Homecoming Starring Robert Downey Jr will be outperformed by Venom.

Schlorgan · Nov 17, 2018

kswiston said:
I have heard that it was basically 2 hours of fanservice and convoluted plots. I get the impression that it's not bad enough for you to enjoy it as a trainwreck, but doesn't really offer much to viewers who not big fans.

I feel like hinging the franchise on Grindelwald was a huge mistake. It'd be like having a Middle Earth movie where the villain is Morgoth. People outside of the hardcore fans know who Voldemort and Sauron are, but you invoke the name Grindelwald it's like

That first movie would have been significantly improved by just having Colin Ferrell be the villain and having no connection to any of that crap.

Rvaan · Nov 17, 2018

kswiston said:
Fantastic Beasts 3: Tom Riddle vs Harry Potter's grandpa who looks exactly like Harry and is played by Daniel Radcliffe: Please be Excited.

You joke but Harry's Great Grandfather was alive at this time, was pro muggle, and went by the name Harry.

Schlorgan said:
About to go see FB2 with my wife and her family, who are all crazy hardcore Harry Potter fans that loved the first movie (I thought it was alright). Hopefully it either surprises me and I like it or it's bad enough that none of them like it either, or things could get real awkward.

High probability that it makes them mad. It's a poor movie that upends 20 years of canon.

Noobie · Nov 17, 2018

Seeya said:
270M is now locked and Venom 2 is likely to be a billion dollar film. Spider-Man 3 (890M) in danger. 900M possible.

kswiston Enjoying the ride my man? :Venom emote:

We gotta super impose Venom onto some of those Scarecrow scenes.

What are your calculation for it to reach 900M?

US: 215M
China: 270M
ROW-China-US: 370M

Grand Total: 855M

Only market in which it still have any chance to grow is China.. But even if it hits 300M in China it will be 885M...

Deleted member 42 · Nov 17, 2018

Does Venom even have any specific Chinese pandering in it or nah

JaggedSac · Nov 17, 2018

kswiston said:
I have heard that it was basically 2 hours of fanservice and convoluted plots. I get the impression that it's not bad enough for you to enjoy it as a trainwreck, but doesn't really offer much to viewers who not big fans.

I'm not a big fan of the HP universe and I enjoyed it. Basically just a set up for a 3rd movie though. My wife who is a big HP fan, loved it.

kswiston · Nov 17, 2018

BronsonLee said:
Does Venom even have any specific Chinese pandering in it or nah

Not really. The space ship holding the symbiotes crashes in Malaysia, and the bad one works its way to San Fran. It is possible that it stopped in China or Hong Kong or something, but I forget. If it did, it was a throwaway scene.

Rvaan · Nov 17, 2018

BronsonLee said:
Does Venom even have any specific Chinese pandering in it or nah

Nope. The marketing in China was aces though.

Deleted member 42 · Nov 17, 2018

Rvaan said:
Nope. The marketing in China was aces though.

I figured this was what mattered the most

ElBoxy · Nov 17, 2018

Remember, WB wants 5 Fantastic Beast movies.

FIVE.

Helot_Azure · Nov 17, 2018

Disappointed to hear about FB2, I thought the trailers looked fantastic and I was really looking forward to it.

I'll probably check it out over Thanksgiving weekend. If its as bad as I'm hearing it to be I really hope they fix things for a third film.

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