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Cliff 'CliffyB' Bleszinski Seemingly Retires from Game Development
- Thread starter Saty
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I completely agree with his decision too many people being able to reach you and tell you how game development "works" while you are in the trenches will chip away at you eventually. Going into something different or doing nothing would be best at that point.
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I hope he'll be involved in a future product in some capacity or other down the road. For now, rest.
1. That tweet is likely a troll not because it asked for a refund, but because it was seemingly created to @ Bleszinski for a refund and that's it.
2. Bleszinski paying severance for his employees is wonderful, especially in light of companies like Telltale.
3. That does not mean that failing to refund people who put money into a F2P game (that then became paid) that shut down after a year is okay. Bleszinski can certainly do it, but that doesn't make it a good practice. It certainly doesn't help people trust the model, and it is an indicator that maybe people should only pay for items or characters or what have you games that are clear hits (like Fortnite). It plays a part in restricting opportunities for games to come into that space by dampening consumer trust.
4. So, no one is really a good guy or bad guy here. Well, except for Mr. Troll trying to start shit months after Lawbreakers shut down. It is what it is. I don't get the idea that gamers, who you can collectively critique for a lot of things, are somehow bad people for wanting to get value for their dollar. That's not entitlement. On the flip side, I wouldn't critique Bleszinski for choosing to pay his ex-employees. I would in that situation. I would also understand that consumers aren't unreasonable in being disgruntled about the value for their gaming dollar that they got (though I also do understand why Bleszinski would react in such a way about a project that blew up like it did rather than being entirely level-headed in his response).
5. I'm most weirded out by the troll account first and then the secondary complaints about, very generally, gamers who want value for their money that has sort of happened with some posters in this thread. The video game business is anti-consumer a large amount of the time, so it's odd that so many people apologize for it when they're on a board full of consumers of video games, and they are consumers as well!
2. Bleszinski paying severance for his employees is wonderful, especially in light of companies like Telltale.
3. That does not mean that failing to refund people who put money into a F2P game (that then became paid) that shut down after a year is okay. Bleszinski can certainly do it, but that doesn't make it a good practice. It certainly doesn't help people trust the model, and it is an indicator that maybe people should only pay for items or characters or what have you games that are clear hits (like Fortnite). It plays a part in restricting opportunities for games to come into that space by dampening consumer trust.
4. So, no one is really a good guy or bad guy here. Well, except for Mr. Troll trying to start shit months after Lawbreakers shut down. It is what it is. I don't get the idea that gamers, who you can collectively critique for a lot of things, are somehow bad people for wanting to get value for their dollar. That's not entitlement. On the flip side, I wouldn't critique Bleszinski for choosing to pay his ex-employees. I would in that situation. I would also understand that consumers aren't unreasonable in being disgruntled about the value for their gaming dollar that they got (though I also do understand why Bleszinski would react in such a way about a project that blew up like it did rather than being entirely level-headed in his response).
5. I'm most weirded out by the troll account first and then the secondary complaints about, very generally, gamers who want value for their money that has sort of happened with some posters in this thread. The video game business is anti-consumer a large amount of the time, so it's odd that so many people apologize for it when they're on a board full of consumers of video games, and they are consumers as well!
Just saw a follow up tweet with one of his employees saying he didnt pay them "for months" it was three weekz.
Still better than Bob Seger. Dude has had at least 3 retirement tours in the last 20 or so.
Surprised at the attitude of the original Tweeter. You have dozens of people who pour years of their lives into a product they're passionate about, and when their efforts aren't recognised via decent sales and the team is dissolved, you still feel like you are a victim a year later and deserve 100% of your investment via a purchase back?...
Nah dude. Just eat eat the loss, you bought a game that simply didn't have legs.
Nah dude. Just eat eat the loss, you bought a game that simply didn't have legs.
Can't wait to see him join David Jaffee on some live stream to complain about how people are too PC now and wouldn't like their obviously very good ideas in 2018
get fucked cliff
lmao
get fucked cliff
I don't get it. Why have the twitter names been covered when they are shown on the first page of the thread?
lol damn
(also lol and blacking out Cliffy B's name hahahaha)
Didn't the company go bankrupt?
He likely paid out of pocket.
And if he did, that was big of him. Not many would do that.
I was never particularly a fan of Cliff, but I never felt like the guy had any bad intentions, he always seemed to have his heart in the right place when I heard him speak, so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he did as much as he could afford to do right by his team.
He did the right thing.
He shouldn't even need to pay for healthcare and severance package.
A lot of big companies would have just told you to get COBRA and use your 401k saving after going out of business.
He should have walked out with no worries as well.
But nope, he did the right thing and still got shit on.
I hope Cliff learns from this.
Take care of yourself first, keep your wealth and don't share.
Because if you try to take care of other people, they will just shit on you later on.
He shouldn't even need to pay for healthcare and severance package.
A lot of big companies would have just told you to get COBRA and use your 401k saving after going out of business.
He should have walked out with no worries as well.
But nope, he did the right thing and still got shit on.
I hope Cliff learns from this.
Take care of yourself first, keep your wealth and don't share.
Because if you try to take care of other people, they will just shit on you later on.
I believe Cliff B. also made a ton of money as an early investor in Oculus Rift. When the latter sold to Facebook, he most likely made a significant amount off his initial investment.
Severance pay in the circumstances of closing a facility or mass layoffs is actually legally mandated in most states
So he did do the right thing. So long as your definition of right thing is what is required of an employer legally and no more, then vastly misrepresenting what you did to prove a point to an anonymous twitter poster in a bid to appear sympathetic.
and also not giving most, if not ANY of your employees a heads up until you lock the doors on them lol.
no one should give this dude another cent while there's so much deserving talent in the industry
Cliffy should know by now. When speaking on other people you have to be 100% honest and you can't exaggerate the truth or people will verbally rip you to shreds.
Yep. Seeing some of the same names responsible for that in here with snarky gloating as well. The entire Lawbreakers situation is a stain on the gaming industry. A great game brought down by a bunch of Youtube clickbaiters and people holding a grudge against a developer because he put gender-neutral bathrooms in his game.
poor CliffyB. He doesn't deserve this, yeah his personality is shitty but he has a passion for making games and it shows.
I fully expect him to return in 5 years
I fully expect him to return in 5 years
It's so weird that people actually believe any of this
Yeah the snarky gloaters and people who didn't like the game are responsible for the studio closing. Not the guy who actually closed it and told his employees through a public twitter post
