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I don't quite understand the Furry movement myself but I don't see why everyone seems to immediately bash or make fun of them. It's interesting to see that even those who have been marginalized and hated against come here and finger wag to furries explaining they need to know their place in the food chain of discrimination. You would think those that know the feeling of being ostracized and hated on would reach out a hand or some encouragement but it's the opposite.

Yea, it's odd that people who's literal rights are in the hands of society and have been discriminated for centuries might not exactly be ok with having their plight and struggle be compared to people who like animal drawings and wear $1000 fur suits in public.

Strange
 

Dream Machine

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Saying you hold bigoted or small minded or ignorant opinions about a group of people does not mean that group of people is on the same level as other societally marginalized groups, nor should they have to be at the same level in order to expect basic decency and respect. People literally "asking" or implying "don't they fuck actual dogs?" or "aren't they pedophiles? Not surprising" or "why don't they just go away? Nobody wants to see or be aware of their gross sexual deviancy" isn't cool.

People seeing bigoted/intolerant/ignorant behavior and views being freely espoused and saying, "wow, this wanton bullying reminds me of other bigoted behavior I've seen and experienced" being met with this gatekeeping "Oh shut up, you're not a real identity. How dare you. Sorry if you get bullied or whatever, but you should really crawl back into your hole and stay out of our parade" attitude isn't really helping anything, is it? Other than throwing their own conventions and sticking to their own corners of the internet as they already do, what else are they supposed to do?
 
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I can understand what you are saying.

But my opinion remains the same. I don't feel it is good to tell ANY group, orientation, lifestyle, religious or non religious views, race, creed, or color to go back into the hole they crawled out of.

Which is basically what was said and caused me to post to begin with in rebuke of it.

That is the root of what was said that upset me. And I have heard that exact same phrase used against many of those groups and people, not just furries, growing up. This is personal and has affected me personally in my life. I apologize that on this forum I cannot express every nuance of how I feel and justify it all in the eyes of others. I do not like people being dismissed or mistreated. Period.

It shouldn't be happening. To anyone. That is the root of my argument and I am not going to sway from the opinion that we should all just treat other like decent human beings instead of something LESS.

And you're using that as cover for the fact you posted some ignorant stuff that dismissed the very real, very much worse experiences and histories of others with "well bigotry of any form is bad."
 

brainchild

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I can understand what you are saying.

But my opinion remains the same. I don't feel it is good to tell ANY group, orientation, lifestyle, religious or non religious views, race, creed, or color to go back into the hole they crawled out of.

Which is basically what was said and caused me to post to begin with in rebuke of it.

That is the root of what was said that upset me. And I have heard that exact same phrase used against many of those groups and people, not just furries, growing up. This is personal and has affected me personally in my life. I apologize that on this forum I cannot express every nuance of how I feel and justify it all in the eyes of others. I do not like people being dismissed or mistreated. Period.

It shouldn't be happening. To anyone. That is the root of my argument and I am not going to sway from the opinion that we should all just treat other like decent human beings instead of something LESS.

Your 'opinion' is just you ignoring the FACTS. Nobody responding to you is saying that bullying and mistreatment of others is ok, or that you're wrong to say that those things are wrong. But oppressed minorites experience all of that PLUS institutional discrimination and oppression. You continue to fail to acknowledge this, and if you keep going down this route, you're probably going to get banned.


So I'd say you don't understand the situation at all.
 

Draconis

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Your 'opinion' is just you ignoring the FACTS. Nobody responding to you is saying that bullying and mistreatment of others is ok, or that you're wrong to say that those things are wrong. But oppressed minorites experience all of that PLUS institutional discrimination and oppression. You continue to fail to acknowledge this, and if you keep going down this route, you're probably going to get banned.


So I'd say you don't understand the situation at all.

And you're using that as cover for the fact you posted some ignorant stuff that dismissed the very real, very much worse experiences and histories of others with "well bigotry of any form is bad."

Believe me, the misunderstanding is not intentional nor am I trying to be dismissive or marginalize anyone. I apologize that I have come off poorly as it was not my intention and I hope that through all of this, that can be seen.

I would be open to continue discussing this in earnest in pms, if you both are willing to chat over it with me, so that the thread is not further derailed.


Edit: edited because my phones autocorrect is misbehaving
 

brainchild

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Saying you hold bigoted or small minded or ignorant opinions about a group of people does not mean that group of people is on the same level as other societally marginalized groups, nor should they have to be at the same level in order to expect basic decency and respect. People literally "asking" or implying "don't they fuck actual dogs?" or "aren't they pedophiles? Not surprising" or "why don't they just go away? Nobody wants to see or be aware of their gross sexual deviancy" isn't cool.

People seeing bigoted/intolerant/ignorant behavior and views being freely espoused and saying, "wow, this wanton bullying reminds me of other bigoted behavior I've seen and experienced" being met with this gatekeeping "Oh shut up, you're not a real identity. How dare you. Sorry if you get bullied or whatever, but you should really crawl back into your hole and stay out of our parade" attitude isn't really helping anything, is it? Other than throwing their own conventions and sticking to their own corners of the internet as they already do, what else are they supposed to do?

Yeah, I agree, this is important.

Those of you coming in here to delineate the difference between oppressed minorites and furries only to throw furries under the bus after establishing that there is a difference can kindly back the fuck out of this thread.

I'm black, queer, and atheist. I know what oppression looks like in many different institutions. So let's all drop the false equivalencies but still treat everyone with some basic common decency. It's not the hard, people.
 

Mr. Fantastic

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So is this going to be the catch-all thread for Furry Questions to Increase Our Understanding? If so, I'd like to know if the suits have flaps in the crotch area to facilitate the sex-ing some partake in.
 

Draconis

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Saying you hold bigoted or small minded or ignorant opinions about a group of people does not mean that group of people is on the same level as other societally marginalized groups, nor should they have to be at the same level in order to expect basic decency and respect. People literally "asking" or implying "don't they fuck actual dogs?" or "aren't they pedophiles? Not surprising" or "why don't they just go away? Nobody wants to see or be aware of their gross sexual deviancy" isn't cool.

People seeing bigoted/intolerant/ignorant behavior and views being freely espoused and saying, "wow, this wanton bullying reminds me of other bigoted behavior I've seen and experienced" being met with this gatekeeping "Oh shut up, you're not a real identity. How dare you. Sorry if you get bullied or whatever, but you should really crawl back into your hole and stay out of our parade" attitude isn't really helping anything, is it? Other than throwing their own conventions and sticking to their own corners of the internet as they already do, what else are they supposed to do?


In effect, this is essentially what I have been trying to say. My apologies that I could not word it as concise and as clearly as this.

Thank You Dream Machine.


I'm going to drop continuing that thread of conversation now unless others pm me.


In the end, I mean no ill will towards anyone at all. It is my hope that one day, as futile as it seems sadly, that all people can live in peace and acceptance of one another and not have to deal with hatred, bigotry, racism or prejudice ever.
 

Maolfunction

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So is this going to be the catch-all thread for Furry Questions to Increase Our Understanding? If so, I'd like to know if the suits have flaps in the crotch area to facilitate the sex-ing some partake in.
It's considered poor taste to wear a modded suit in public or on con floors.

Most suiters who have sex in their suit have a second body for their sexing that only gets worn in their rooms.
 

Nappuccino

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I've had a lot more respect and empathy for furry culture after speaking with an artist for whom most of their commissions from the furry community.
 

Wulfric

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So is this going to be the catch-all thread for Furry Questions to Increase Our Understanding? If so, I'd like to know if the suits have flaps in the crotch area to facilitate the sex-ing some partake in.

This is typically what a second body w/ that area open is for. That being said, suits can get really warm. Not a ton of people are fans of doing the dirty in a $3000 suit.
 
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Yea, it's odd that people who's literal rights are in the hands of society and have been discriminated for centuries might not exactly be ok with having their plight and struggle be compared to people who like animal drawings and wear $1000 fur suits in public.

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What does any of that have to do with having empathy toward someone elses issues? What examples are the "lesser" marginalized communities allowed to use to describe being bullied and hated against? Honest question. I get that furry can't compare to the civil rights movement etc but if someone feels that their identity is tied to this and they are constantly bashed and attacked then they might draw comparisons in their mind with those or others struggles. So instead of putting them in their place wouldn't it be better to show empathy towards them? If not and they should be corrected or "taught a lesson" then that's fine but IMO it just seems unnecessary.
 

Sparkedglory2

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Well then. I'm not saying that I don't like furries, i'm Just saying that babyfur doesn't surprise me. Not like other communities don't have similar things. I'm not even insulting furries here. But go ahead and assume I am in my post.

But to be fair. I give anything involving something or someone young a double take. That ain't gonna change.
 

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In what universe do you reside in where Gamergate is okay?

Is it the one with the rampant female sexual objectification that cares not for ages of consent and women's agency? That seems the most likely one.

Or the one where you get swatted and put at risk for being killed for playing a game well?

Or the one where a mass shooting at a gaming tournament just happened?

Or the one where white supremacists openly admit having active recruitment in online games without any consequence whatsoever?

Or the one where people say they don't give a damn about developers' and voice actors' work conditions so long as they get to play with their new toy?

Or the one where you can't even go on more left-leaning forums and ask for decent minority representation without angry pushback?

Or the one where men cite sympathy and understanding for incels?

You know. Just curious.
 

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In what universe do you reside in where Gamergate is okay?

Is it the one with the rampant female sexual objectification that cares not for ages of consent and women's agency? That seems the most likely one.

Or the one where you get swatted and put at risk for being killed for playing a game well?

Or the one where a mass shooting at a gaming tournament just happened?

Or the one where white supremacists openly admit having active recruitment in online games without any consequence whatsoever?

Or the one where people say they don't give a damn about developers' and voice actors' work conditions so long as they get to play with their new toy?

Or the one where you can't even go on more left-leaning forums and ask for decent minority representation without angry pushback?

Or the one where men cite sympathy and understanding for incels?

You know. Just curious.

Wait, were you saying that gaming culture is shit?

Cause I thought you said that gaming culture isn't shit.
 

Mr. Fantastic

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It's considered poor taste to wear a modded suit in public or on con floors.

Most suiters who have sex in their suit have a second body for their sexing that only gets worn in their rooms.
This is typically what a second body w/ that area open is for. That being said, suits can get really warm. Not a ton of people are fans of doing the dirty in a $3000 suit.

A second body? Is it like a seperate fursona from the main one or the same main fursona but in a different body

this is some wild shit guys
 

tsampikos

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A second body? Is it like a seperate fursona from the main one or the same main fursona but in a different body

this is some wild shit guys
There are full suits (think mascots) and partial suits (heads, gloves, and hands mostly) that go with normal clothing. A lot of these parts, being standalone, can be interchangeable. The main difference between a fur suit and one people have sex in would probably just be in the main body piece... which can indeed seperate from the main suit.

It's like regular clothing. Really expensive high-maintenance clothing. It's interchangeable.

Question for yall still reading this though... do non furries think that fur suits represent a common interest in the fandom? Only a small portion of it are into the whole suit thing.
 

Draconis

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There are full suits (think mascots) and partial suits (heads, gloves, and hands mostly) that go with normal clothing. A lot of these parts, being standalone, can be interchangeable. The main difference between a fur suit and one people have sex in would probably just be in the main body piece... which can indeed seperate from the main suit.

It's like regular clothing. Really expensive high-maintenance clothing. It's interchangeable.

Question for yall still reading this though... do non furries think that fur suits represent a common interest in the fandom? Only a small portion of it are into the whole suit thing.


Having friends and artists in the Fandom as my exposure but not being a part of it directly save for liking the art, I'd say yeah, that's a common perception.

Most everyone I have ever encountered when speaking of furries, immediately brings up the fursuiters as well as less than savory comments, which we have seen rife throughout this thread as an example.

Most people I have talked to about it have huge misconceptions. Certain TV shows doing shows that had furries in it as part of their story of the week if you will, has not helped that perception. It's not uncommon for me to hear things like " Aren't furries people who dress up in mascot costumes and just screw each other? What a bunch of freaks! " Etc, etc, etc the list goes on.

It's hard to educate people like this who have such incorrectly and hugely ingrained opinions of the matter that they are wrong.
 

Mr. Fantastic

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There are full suits (think mascots) and partial suits (heads, gloves, and hands mostly) that go with normal clothing. A lot of these parts, being standalone, can be interchangeable. The main difference between a fur suit and one people have sex in would probably just be in the main body piece... which can indeed seperate from the main suit.

It's like regular clothing. Really expensive high-maintenance clothing. It's interchangeable.

Question for yall still reading this though... do non furries think that fur suits represent a common interest in the fandom? Only a small portion of it are into the whole suit thing.

Thanks for the explanation, makes sense. Who would want jizz all over the multi-$K suit?

To answer your question, yes? How can you be a furry without the suit >:(
 

tsampikos

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yes, my assumption is that you aren't serious unless you have the whole damn thing
Oh.. that's an odd take. It would be like saying you aren't serious about gaming unless you larp dnd sessions.

Yeah no suits are hot, expensive, and honestly kind of goofy. Most furries aren't into it... not that access is readily available.

Honestly fursuits are to furries what cosplay is to everything else.
 
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Dream Machine

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To answer your question, yes? How can you be a furry without the suit >:(
Just liking the art of furry characters, I guess. Words aren't always super literal. Bears and otters in the gay community aren't actually dressed like those animals. Guys who are into "dads" don't mean their fathers. Drag queens aren't actual royalty.

Unless this was supposed to be like a Seinfeld bit, in which case, please ignore.
 

Auxy

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yes? How can you be a furry without the suit >:(
As you might have gathered from this thread, suits are expensive and wayyyy too hot. I personally have grown to appreciate the craftmanship in them but I don't care about that stuff at all, I just like having art of cute characters I make and interacting with others using them.

Honestly most of the time it's like an avatar I use to meet and connect with more people who are a lot more emotionally open and easy to talk to, especially with all the queer people in it. It's so easy to meet likeminded people, and we're fairly okay at pointing out the bad apples.
 

gozu

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Yeah no suits are hot, expensive, and honestly kind of goofy. Most furries aren't into it

I imagine at some point in the far future, people will be able to use genetics to mod their bodies with fully functioning animal-inspired parts and maybe whole body hair and we'll have real live furries that look just like the cartoons. Think The Beast from Xmen but with less muscle.

Oh...well I'm a furry then it seems.

Congrats! Cute avatar.
 
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Honestly fur suits are to furries what cosplay is to everything else.
That makes a lot of sense. For me, I just never considered liking anthro stuff to be all that "out of the ordinary" (I know that's a fucking awful way to word it but I can't do words this week apparently), so I figured there would be a deeper investment than just that.

But I also have read a lot of furry discussion and I know that not everyone does the suit thing, on top of them being expensive/hot for those who do, and I know the community is really inclusive and wouldn't gatekeep like that, so idk what my problem is lmao

I imagine at some point in the far future, people will be able to use genetics to mod their bodies with fully functioning animal-inspired parts and maybe whole body hair and we'll have real live furries that look just like the cartoons. Think The Beast from Xmen but with less muscle.
I have been waiting for this future since like 2005
 

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Well, I can agree they're a subculture, but I wouldn't say they're like any other.
 

Nepenthe

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I don't think people think liking cartoon animals is out of the ordinary, but rather basing an entire fandom around the concept is. The idea where you actually hang out with people specifically on the basis of a shared like of the idea of talking animals is weird, and I think that's the crux of the misunderstanding people have towards furries. The very idea of it even being a fandom in the first place inevitably insists on a deeper level of investment than most of the population would consider worth the time or healthy, meaning it's easy to go from that train of thought to thinking "there must be something up with them," and- from there- extrapolating the weirdest aspects of the fandom onto everyone. Because it can't "just be" that you like sharing cute art, because the banality of the furry fandom is also inherently ridiculous.
 

Arrrammis

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I don't think people think liking cartoon animals is out of the ordinary, but rather basing an entire fandom around the concept is. The idea where you actually hang out with people specifically on the basis of a shared like of the idea of talking animals is weird, and I think that's the crux of the misunderstanding people have towards furries. The very idea of it even being a fandom in the first place inevitably insists on a deeper level of investment than most of the population would consider worth the time or healthy, meaning it's easy to go from that train of thought to thinking "there must be something up with them," and- from there- extrapolating the weirdest aspects of the fandom onto everyone. Because it can't "just be" that you like sharing cute art, because the banality of the furry fandom is also inherently ridiculous.
I can see it being something like people meeting up and hanging out with people who accept them for their quirks after basically having to hide something for their whole life or be ridiculed. Folks who like sharing cute art that is furry in nature generally get immediately yelled at/made fun of/banned/blocked/etc. in a lot of public spaces and sites, so it's natural that a community would form so people can openly talk about that kind of thing. It's similar to Anime fandom who are treated similarly, or people who enjoyed tabletop RPGs in the 80's (mainly dnd) and were widely viewed as satanists and a menace (at least here in bible belt, USA). Fans of a particular thing that is made fun of by the public get together, enjoy the thing, more people find them and the community grows. Then some people take it too far, the news get involved on something out of context or weird, and that name is tainted forever to the general public.

Disclaimer, I haven't personally experienced any of this (besides a bit of the DnD thing from very religious family members), so I can't claim absolute truth, but it's what I've observed people doing and thought I could throw in my two cents.
 

BeI

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As you might have gathered from this thread, suits are expensive and wayyyy too hot. I personally have grown to appreciate the craftmanship in them but I don't care about that stuff at all, I just like having art of cute characters I make and interacting with others using them.

Honestly most of the time it's like an avatar I use to meet and connect with more people who are a lot more emotionally open and easy to talk to, especially with all the queer people in it. It's so easy to meet likeminded people, and we're fairly okay at pointing out the bad apples.

I feel like the abundance of cute avatars makes it a lot easier to chat with other furs and easily open up with them. It's pretty cool.
 

Dream Machine

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I imagine at some point in the far future, people will be able to use genetics to mod their bodies with fully functioning animal-inspired parts and maybe whole body hair and we'll have real live furries that look just like the cartoons. Think The Beast from Xmen but with less muscle.
Bad Dragons, all around.
 

Draconis

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But I also have read a lot of furry discussion and I know that not everyone does the suit thing, on top of them being expensive/hot for those who do, and I know the community is really inclusive and wouldn't gatekeep like that, so idk what my problem is lmao

That inclusiveness is one of the reasons why some find themselves drawn to the fandom. I've seen a lot of people dealing with some pretty rough issues, such as facing being forced through conversion therapy by their parents when dealing with their sexuality as well as...well, more personal issues I won't get into details on. I've helped someone in the past who is a furry that was dealing with some pretty damned terrifying stuff, and I helped them out however I could.


You have your bad apples sure, all groups generally do. But moreso than any others I have noticed that Furries by far tend to be there for others dealing with some really rough spots in life. That feeling of being accepted and cared about can make all the difference in the world for folks dealing with rough life situations.


It's a place where they feel accepted, and not persecuted for who they are just because of who they love or how they feel.

That's a pretty powerful thing.
 
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Eh, I guess I feel a bit obligated to chime in since I'm tangentially involved with the fandom and am a bit of a furry even if I don't talk about it much.

The fandom is fun. It's fine. There's neat stuff. I enjoy the people I've met. Some people are dickheads though, and sometimes "WE ARE THE MOST ACCEPTING" can bite ya in the ass, but on the whole, it's always come off as a positive, LGBT+ friendly place, and I've learned a lot about sexuality and acceptance from it.

The hate the fandom gets has always felt kind of like a meme, like how everyone is supposed to hate Nickelback or Juggalos*. The idea of there being actual animosity because a group of people like to draw cartoon animals and send each other shitty RP texts is just ... like, you can use your negative emotions for something more deserving of them.

But i don't really consider the fandom to be a kink OR a lifestyle. TO some it is, but to others it really is just an artistic aesthetic and a reason to draw.

*Juggalos are cool people too. <3
 

Nepenthe

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I can see it being something like people meeting up and hanging out with people who accept them for their quirks after basically having to hide something for their whole life or be ridiculed. Folks who like sharing cute art that is furry in nature generally get immediately yelled at/made fun of/banned/blocked/etc. in a lot of public spaces and sites, so it's natural that a community would form so people can openly talk about that kind of thing. It's similar to Anime fandom who are treated similarly, or people who enjoyed tabletop RPGs in the 80's (mainly dnd) and were widely viewed as satanists and a menace (at least here in bible belt, USA). Fans of a particular thing that is made fun of by the public get together, enjoy the thing, more people find them and the community grows. Then some people take it too far, the news get involved on something out of context or weird, and that name is tainted forever to the general public.

Disclaimer, I haven't personally experienced any of this (besides a bit of the DnD thing from very religious family members), so I can't claim absolute truth, but it's what I've observed people doing and thought I could throw in my two cents.
Well as I said before, individuals make of it what they make of it. I've been made fun of for my interest in animals (which consisted of drawing them and reading books like Guardians of Ga'Hoole and Redwall), but this was in middle school, well before I even knew the fandom was a "thing" that existed, so I didn't have that to escape to. I just dealt with the shit until I got to college and could grow and be with people who shared my greater interest in animation altogether. I developed my social skills and confidence through there; furry is thus more easily relegated to a hobby for me.

I do suit as well, but that's because I simply find them fun to both make and wear. To me, it's the other side of the coin to the art of character animation; giving something that is obviously fake the illusion of life for the sake of a performance, a little bit of "magic" if you will. People will say "Well, you do things that you normally wouldn't do out of suit, so it must be an emotional crutch." And I mean, it's a mascot costume. The context of social engagement changes when you are, effectively, a big-ass animal, similar to how I talk to my friends differently than I do my bosses. No shit I'm not going to steal strangers' hats or do a silly dance in public without a costume on. Most people don't, unless they're whitebread social experiment assholes on YouTube. Funnily enough though, every single non-furry person who has been able to wear my heads immediately- without fail- start doing exaggerated, stupid shit for the time they have it on. It's just the inherent nature of dress-up.

At most, I can say that what the fandom has given me is the ability to find creative avenues that I wouldn't have otherwise considered or even thought about without that exposure, and that's because the fandom has no boundaries on what is acceptable art since the connecting thread of "animal" is extremely broad. Making suits is one pursuit, dancing is mildly another. The little bit I know how to do was fueled in part by the popularity of dance competitions at conventions, a mild thought that "Oh hey, that looks cool. I wanna learn some of that stuff too." Did it have to be furry for me to consider the interest in learning how to do a moonwalk or an arm tut combo? No. But it is what it is.

And I don't like to think that I'm the only person of my kind out there, that I'm the only one who fell into this simply because it is, on the surface, adorable-ass shit and a fandom that truly champions free expression through the arts. If so, in that way, I do find furrydom pretty damn banal in the grand scheme of things. It's just another interest in a laundry list of interests that I have, a part of the sum versus the sum itself. And it would be much nicer if people could understand that versus trying to pick and nag at me looking for shit that isn't there in order to justify their preconceived notion that every single one of us has a kink.
 

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Yes, I understand what you were quoting and the context. That doesn't change my initial response to you, however. Because the vast majority of reactions towards the furry fandom aren't "Yeah, I ain't into it" or "Y'all are weirdos", but rather stuff like "I wish acid upon this topic" or "Furries are just zoophiliacs in denial", both of which were posts made on the very first page of this topic, on a forum that prides itself on a progressive, socio-liberal stance. This was the reactions on Era. You surely can calculate how bad it is in other places on the internet.

When that acid attack at a furry con happened - which was mentioned ITT - there were a LOT of people laughing at the victims of that acid attack and said they deserved it for being furries. This wasn't and isn't just "Man, furries are weird", it's a constant barrage of insults that are incredibly personal (as they are targeting mental health and accusing all furries of being sexual criminals/deviants), and even threats. How are we not supposed to see those as assault on our person?

Honestly, and you know because I talked with you about this directly...seeing the first page of this thread shocked me and made me hesitant on if I should even stick around on this site. I thought Era was really progressive and open to people. The words I saw were so unbelieveably hateful that I felt unwelcome here, like this isn't a safe place for discussions like this if people here are wishing death on me.

I didn't want to believe that. I wanted to have faith that there are good people here on Era.

In reading these last few pages and seeing the folks both from within and outside of the fandom coming to our defense, providing education to the less than savory replies here on what being a furry actually is..that is wonderful to see, and it redeems the site a little that we have some kind people like that here. I don't want to post someone where I feel hated, and where my time and efforts are spent are treated like an abomination.

In regards to the second half of your post, it wasn't acid. It was Chlorine, which is toxic in high concentration and hospitalized several people that breathed in the fumes. Someone shattered a container of it in the stairwell at a high level of the hotel so that it would travel down and impact people as it went. This happened at Midwest FurFest in 2014. I was there and had to be evacuated from the building.

It was scary. Who's attacking us? Are my friends ok? ...Am I ok?

The scariest part is that this could have been much worse...I'm not able to attend MFF this year, but that "what if" is always in the back of my mind now with so many hateful people out there...

But, again..I'm thankful for you people on this site that stick up for us, furry or no. You're the glue that can hold a community together.
 

Olaf

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Every time I see those suits I can only think about how many cum stains they have.