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TheGhost

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Oct 25, 2017
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I expect a system that is on par or more powerful than a ps5.

I think there will be two sku's though don't know if that will be dependent on storage space or enhanced tech for a $500 console.

One thing I don't expect is a weak console. No way.
 

Goldenroad

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Nov 2, 2017
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I expect it will be $399 USD. 2020 release. I also believe XBOX ONE X isn't going anywhere and will be the new XBOX (S) baseline model (Probably $299 or $249). Everything that is playable on the new console will be playable on the X, like how X and S work right now. However, not everything will be compatible with S, unless developers chose to do so, but everything will be backwards compatible. Game Pass will be central, but included in XBLGold (no longer required for basic online play), which will also be $14.99/month, or $149.99 per year. I would expect launch titles from 343, Playground, The Initiative and...I think they will try, as best as possible, to time the release with Cyberpunk.

Also....Kinect 3.0 bitches!
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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I expect more of the same. An evolution rather than a revolution. Not sure if the tech will be there yet for 4K60, at least at a $500 pricetag. X will be forward compatible, S will he forward compatible only with certain titles

If the X had a Ryzen CPU it would run every game it plays now at the same resolution it does now except at 60fps.

The computational leap from Jaguar to Ryzen is absolutely enormous. There will be a ton of 60fps Nextbox / PS5 AAA games.
 

elzeus

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Oct 30, 2017
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The most powerful console ever created (again) with some sort of AMD version of Nvidia's DLSS solution with 67% more 60+ fps games as well as entering into an agreement with Sega to buy part of the company and for Sega to distribute the Xbox as the Dreamcast 2 in Asian countries.
 

SharpX68K

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Nov 10, 2017
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Not sure if the tech will be there yet for 4K60, at least at a $500 pricetag. X will be forward compatible, S will he forward compatible only with certain titles

Absolutely no. There will be no forward compatibility with Xbox One X, not to mention 1S and OG X1

Scarlett games will be made for, and run on, Scarlett hardware, and be playable on the Scarlett streaming device/console, via Project xCloud service.

Since all Scarlett games will be designed around one of the generations of Zen CPU architecture, and take full advantage of that massive leap over Jaguar,they won't run Xbox One X.

I expect two versions of Xbox next generation. Xbox Scarlett and Xbox Scarlett cloud.

Xbox Scarlett will occupy the high end at $500 and Xbox Scarlett cloud will occupy the low end at $150 or less.

This pricing elasticity will be an overall win for Microsoft allowing them cast a much wider net in terms of customer demographics.

Next-gen, Xbox could both mean high end graphics rivaling dedicated PC gaming rigs, and an affordable gaming platform cheaper than the cheapest Nintendo Switch. With everything playing the same games with extensive backwards compatibility and full Xbox ecosystem interoperability.

Doing this introduces a compelling overall package none of Microsoft's competition offers. This strategy is as close as Microsoft can get to delivering a true differentiator and if it catches on it could be disruptive in the market.

Microsoft knows all too well you can't really easily emulate Sony and Nintendo games (and all the fan following that goes with that)
because it took decades of experience to acquire the expertise they now enjoy. All the money in the world can't fast track that.

Excellent post!
 

Lukas Taves

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Oct 28, 2017
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$100-150 streaming only console hybrid Xbox. Phil said the team s prototyping, but he personally don't like the idea of a dedicated mobile streaming device, but it makes too much sense not to, unless they somehow manage to convince nintendo to add it on switch. Launching fall 2019 alongside the streaming service

$500 Scarlet Ryzen 2, 2.5-3x X gpu, aiming at running all games at 4k60 with options to reduce the resolution to increase the framerate across the board. Perhaps a dedicated ray tracing/machine learning chip. Another possible design for maximum performance would be going with discrete CPU/GPU chips and perhaps even splitting the gpu on 2 dies again - Launching 2020

$300 X - It becomes the new base local console

Total unification between win10 and xbox. The long waited unified modular OS, capable of running all the store content on both regular win10 PCs or Xbox
No more generations, all xbox runs all the games, if there's no performance to run locally they are streamed.
Streaming integrated on the core of the experience. Start playing a game right away while it's installed on the background, use streaming to play local mp games over xbox live
Full framework for cloud compute
Gold no longer required for multiplayer, but GWG, DWG is kept and on top of that streaming is offered on the subscription. Streaming of any games you own, or have access through subscriptions
Xbox with more input variety, controller, mouse and keyboard, 3rd party accessories, smartphones as controllers, and even mixed reality headsets
All 360 and xbone games get resolution boost on Scarlet, even unpatched ones
Creators games having multiplayer support (but no achievements) alongside with all xblig games being added to the store.
 

SharpX68K

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I'm sure Thurrott.com said both Scarlett consoles would launch the same year, in 2020.

When it comes to games, all Scarlett games will run on all Scarlett devices. Meaning, both consoles will be first-class citizens and there is not expected to be an awkward 'this game only runs on the non-cloud Scarlett'.

The cloud version of Scarlett is further along in the development cycle than the traditional console that will also be released in 2020.
https://www.thurrott.com/xbox/163896/details-microsofts-xbox-scarlett-game-streaming-service
 
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Bung Hole

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Jan 9, 2018
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1) High quality hardware

2) Gamepass on all platforms

3) CloudX dream realised

4) Improved 1st party effort

5) More gamer focused vision

Sony has got a fight on their hands come next gen though i don't expect them to roll over either.

In the end we all win.
 

StuBurns

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Nov 12, 2017
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I really don't believe that their first party is going to make anything I care about. I think Fable will end up being online focused, I think Perfect Dark will be the same. I just don't trust them to make anything that'll speak to me. But I'm happy to be proven wrong. I bought an S, I bought an X, and I'm kidding myself if I think they won't manage to sell me again.
 

Adathir

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Oct 25, 2017
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My expectations are that I will be saving money because I will be able to play their games on PC instead of needing to buy another console.
 
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Dantero

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I really don't believe that their first party is going to make anything I care about. I think Fable will end up being online focused, I think Perfect Dark will be the same. I just don't trust them to make anything that'll speak to me. But I'm happy to be proven wrong. I bought an S, I bought an X, and I'm kidding myself if I think they won't manage to sell me again.

Fable online focused? I sure hope not. Maybe some coop but after fable legend I don't think it wel be online focused. Big mistake if it will be.
 

StuBurns

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Fable online focused? I sure hope not. Maybe some coop but after fable legend I don't think it wel be online focused. Big mistake if it will be.
I certainly hope you're right. I don't need like an obscene budget mega-project like RDR2. But something comparable in scope to Horizon, with as substantial a single player component. Any additional co-op is fine, whatever, but I hope it's not the focus. We shall see.

I don't like Forza Horizon, I don't think they play very well, and I don't care for the structure, but they're technically and artistically stellar, so I have high hopes if their focus is where I'd like it to be.

And of course, whatever, they're not making it for me, if it's co-op centric, that's fine, it's just not going to be my cup of tea.
 

WhtR88t

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To me it's about the games. Hopefully some of these studios crank out some great exclusives to justify owning an Xbox. Don't care too much about the hardware- just hope it's good enough.
 

gattotimo

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They have to invest in new IPs for me to come back to them. Single player oriented and story-driven games must be the core library of my next gen console. This gen, the first since psx era, I didn't go multiplat since 1st party offering from MS and Nintendo was poor in that regard, but I'd love that to change next gen. Backwards compatibility (which I'm sure will be a given for MS) would give me a chance to get the few games I'm interested in on XBone (Cuphead, Quantum Break and Sunset Overdrive)
 

Long Drong

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Oct 27, 2017
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As I told in the other thread, I was thinking that current gen x enhanced games will look better on the nextbox so having xbox this gen is a great deal.
 

Emick81

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Jan 17, 2018
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I expect A forza motorsport 8 Launch title that sets a new graphical standard for racing games.

overall:
1. more power compared to sony
2. consumer friendly
3. best network for online gaming
4. a good technical product just the like the X with a good cooling solution.
5. fully backwards compatible
6. lots of effort on subscription services.
 

SharpX68K

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Nov 10, 2017
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I am expecting Xbox One X 1.5 Jaguar CPU strikes back.

Roh roh... someone didn't...

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No way. The jaguar is gone.

Jaguar is so fucking gone next gen. We'll be dancing on its grave!
 
Feb 10, 2018
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My expectations are that I will be saving money because I will be able to play their games on PC instead of needing to buy another console.

Its going to be interesting what kind of PC you will need to have in order to play at scarlett levels.
If next gen will have 24gb ram, I wonder how much video ram is going to be needed on pc's.

I also expect launch titles from the initiative. It will be either a FPS or TPS to get them used to the hardware, like killzone shadowfall. Compulsion will have somthing along with playground games B team.
 
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Nov 24, 2017
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- CPU Zen 2 @ 3.2GHZ / 8 Core @ 16 Threads
- GPU Next Gen AMD @ 1.2+GHz 16TeraFlops
- 32GB GDDR6 / 8GB OS - 24GB Game
- HDMI 2.1, USB C, USB 3.1, Bluray
- 2TB HDD 7200RPM + 64GB NVRAM + M.2 Slot
- 8K, 4K, 1440p @ 60-240hz
- 4K Dashboard
- GamePass+, Live+, Xcloud, BC with all Xbox
- Better First Party, more exclusives, more games, more services

2020 :)
16 TF? Lol. They just released the world's most powerful GPU and its vega 7nm at 14.7TFs at fp32. The GPU is for datacenters so if you think a more powerful card than that is going to be in the next Xbox in less than 2 years, you're dreaming. Also, 32gb of GDDR6? Lol.
 

Ricelord

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- CPU Zen 2 @ 3.2GHZ / 8 Core @ 16 Threads
- GPU Next Gen AMD @ 1.2+GHz 16TeraFlops
- 32GB GDDR6 / 8GB OS - 24GB Game
- HDMI 2.1, USB C, USB 3.1, Bluray
- 2TB HDD 7200RPM + 64GB NVRAM + M.2 Slot
- 8K, 4K, 1440p @ 60-240hz
- 4K Dashboard
- GamePass+, Live+, Xcloud, BC with all Xbox
- Better First Party, more exclusives, more games, more services

2020 :)
gonna need like 3 jobs to buy something like that.
 
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Dantero

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Its going to be interesting what kind of PC you will need to have in order to play at scarlett levels.
If next gen will have 24gb ram, I wonder how much video ram is going to be needed on pc's.

I also expect launch titles from the initiative. It will be either a FPS or TPS to get them used to the hardware, like killzone shadowfall. Compulsion will have somthing along with playground games B team.

Launch title from the initiative. That studio is still around 10 people I heard. I think its going to be a few years before we see something from them. I wouldn't mind it though. Sounds like it's going to be a big studio.
 

SharpX68K

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As long as Scarlett has a GPU around ~13 TFlops, that'll be 10x the raw performance of OG XBone GPU (1.31 TF), which would be really nice. Not to mention the improvements to feature-set, efficiency, etc. that GPU architectures after Vega (Navi, NextGen, a semi-custom blend of IP for MS) will bring.

13 TF would also be right in the middle of Eurogamer's predictions (11 to 15 TF)
 

DukeBlueBall

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Oct 27, 2017
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- CPU Zen 2 @ 3.2GHZ / 8 Core @ 16 Threads
- GPU Next Gen AMD @ 1.2+GHz 16TeraFlops
- 32GB GDDR6 / 8GB OS - 24GB Game
- HDMI 2.1, USB C, USB 3.1, Bluray
- 2TB HDD 7200RPM + 64GB NVRAM + M.2 Slot
- 8K, 4K, 1440p @ 60-240hz
- 4K Dashboard
- GamePass+, Live+, Xcloud, BC with all Xbox
- Better First Party, more exclusives, more games, more services

2020 :)

Forgot the $999 price tag.
 
Feb 10, 2018
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Launch title from the initiative. That studio is still around 10 people I heard. I think its going to be a few years before we see something from them. I wouldn't mind it though. Sounds like it's going to be a big studio.

Who have you heard that from?
They were formed about a year ago.
I would be surprised if there team is not starting to look like fully fledged dev.
Unless the recruiting team is incompetent.
 

Shpeshal Nick

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Oct 25, 2017
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They're going to go with a cheap super box. They won't ever give up the power advantage ever again. They'll try and get the momentum right from the start and then build on it. They'll go with an old school loss leader and attempt to negate the losses via GamePass subs.

There'll be a big focus on the CPU. The aim will be 4K/60 for first party titles just like native 4K was the "mandate" for first party titles on One X.

They'll have a pretty big first party launch lineup, which historically lines up with how they generally launch consoles anyway. But this might be on a slightly higher level than the past given all the studio investment they're doing.

The new controller will be an Xbox One controller with 3 share buttons. One for screenshots, one for clips and one for broadcasting.

The OS will remain basically the same. I'm just assuming they'll focus on getting better performance out of it.

xCloud will be a higher tier of GamePass. $10 a month for straight GamePass. $15 with PlayAnywhere support (xCloud).

Multiplayer will be removed from behind the Paywall and Gold will be restructured to be more like Plus from Gen 7. Focus on a handful of free games and discounts on digital content. Maybe they'll find something else to incentivise people to stay subbed to gold who knows. Maybe they'll roll it into GamePass.

Full backwards compatibility with OG Xbox BC, 360 BC and all Xbox One titles.

Halo Infinite will either be Zelda'd or they'll just bite the bullet and make it Xbox 5 exclusive.

Oh yeah, it's going to be called Xbox 5. Microsoft finally has the chance for numbered parity with Ony and they're going to take it. They'll find a way to exalting how they "internally" always viewed the One X as it's own console due to all its internal differences despite it being part of the One X family. Remebmer, we're talking abut the company that called their 3rd console Xbox One and found a way to justify it.
 

Sampson

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Nov 17, 2017
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The full evolution into Xbox-as-a-service.

Not the end of dedicated hardware entirely, but Xbox won't mean a "box" next gen.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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16 TF? Lol. They just released the world's most powerful GPU and its vega 7nm at 14.7TFs at fp32. The GPU is for datacenters so if you think a more powerful card than that is going to be in the next Xbox in less than 2 years, you're dreaming. Also, 32gb of GDDR6? Lol.
gonna need like 3 jobs to buy something like that.
Forgot the $999 price tag.

Haha
Dream big or go home.
 
Feb 1, 2018
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I expect the local box to be $500, the X has proved that there's a market for a premium console that can deliver spec wise and I don't think MS will want to lose the advantage they have over Sony in terms of performance, so I'm expecting them to throw the kitchen sink at it in terms of specs.

Yeah I tend to agree. MS is going for a more premium console than Sony probably. They also have much more money, so maybe they will eat a little bit more loss first two years or so.

GP will continue like it is now... I would like them to roll Live and GP into one sub, just to make things easier. I expect them to release quite a lot of smaller games to keep GP fresh. Less AAA stuff compared to Sony. I think they will leave that mostly to third parties (especially if they have the superior hardware).

Live wise... not too many changes... maybe some Cloud extensions to DirectX (as was hinted). Streaming box and an alliance (xCloud) with Samsung probably, probably win/win for both parties.

Maybe one more really big studio acquisition.

Maybe, just maybe a slow move towards VR. I personally doubt it, but maybe when some wireless headsets become available.

More and better BC.

More support for PC gaming and GP on PC.

Maybe, yes maybe, even some MS games on Switch. I think it would be a good idea (Phil might not agree :)
 

Dragonelite

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Oct 29, 2017
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If the X had a Ryzen CPU it would run every game it plays now at the same resolution it does now except at 60fps.

The computational leap from Jaguar to Ryzen is absolutely enormous. There will be a ton of 60fps Nextbox / PS5 AAA games.

I hope ryzen will make next gen games be 60fps minimal, hope that more TV sets by then have variable framerate implemented.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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What I want to know is this: All the talk is that Sony is partnering with AMD on Navi for PS5. What does that mean for XBOX? It seems odd that they dont ever mention XBOX with Navi. Is MS thinking about grouping Ryzen with an NVIDIA GPU?

The Turing 20 series is a 12nm process. Wonder what NVIDIA will have at 7nm.
 
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nib95

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Oct 28, 2017
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Let's pretend ms will go with Nvidia. What will be the big difference if ms will go nvidia and Sony amd?

Depends on which system is more popular or the lead platform for most multiplatform titles. It would ultimately lend to some more effort for developers with respect to ports and multiplatform releases, but overall it doesn't mean much in and of itself. The more important thing is how much performance each GPU used in the respective systems actually has.
 

Troll

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Nov 10, 2017
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I truly believe that if Microsoft had another Xbox one generation they'll bail on gaming.
 

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They're gone make sure to not make the same mistake again, so this time we're gonna get two basically identical boxes that differ only in what exclusives they get. Which I'm fine with!
 

Ste

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I would hope they try to have the most powerful console, Sony won't need to be the most powerful but Microsoft definitely does. I also think a microphone similar to how alexa works will be part of the console and 4k@60fps with vrr and dolby atmos will be there again.