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Michael Avenatti has been arrested (update: released on bail)
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Because usually when someone calls the cops for domestic violence, says she was hit, and has bruises on her face, the simplest explanation is that she's telling the truth and got smacked. It's a fine base stance to take. Remaining flexible if new info comes out is the important part.
And I liked him ok. I liked that he was willing to bring some fight to trump.
Because from the news reports, we know a woman with injuries went to the police and made allegations. Women don't usually lie about assault. So the simple solution is to believe the woman. Like the post above me says, it's alright to accept new information that could contradict the story. But for me, until said credible information comes to light, I'll default to believing the woman.
It's the simplest explanation because a woman reported it with a bruised face who probably proved she had a relationship with him. The police aren't going to charge someone with DV on a bunch.
Edit: basically a rehash of the 2 posts above me
The only reason I will wait for the facts on this one is because Whol is trying to seem involved.
What explanation would be simpler? That all of this is made up by a reporter trying to gain fame? That there's a grand conspiracy orchestrated by Soro-, sorry, the (((((Koch Brothers)))))? That the woman threw herself down a flight of stairs to pin it on him?
Nothing is simpler than taking the report at face value, whether you believe it or not.
It would probably help if the OP actually contained the official LAPD messages that he was held, charged under domestic violence statutes, and released on $50K bond.
Instead, it's just a denial from his wife (who isn't involved) and his self-serving statement after he posted bail. The whole "conspiracy" twist this thread has taken is really gross. The LAPD didn't arrest him for domestic violence because somebody made an anonymous false accusation.
If the woman in question is making false claims, then it will be uncovered and she'll be charged. But given the charges against him, this is clearly somebody he's in a relationship with (it's a literal requirement), so all this hinting at some elaborate hoax is ridiculous.
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No no, I totally understand that. There is a woman involved, and I am inclined to believe her. The only sketch thing I find about this is Whol being possibly involved, who makes everything he touches sketchy. If he weren't involved, I would be 100% about it, but I am currently like, 85% solely because of his stupid ass.
Just to be clear, what we're saying here is that this woman is involved in an elaborate plot whereby she entered into a relationship with Avenatti (required for his charge under 273.5 PC), allowed herself to get beaten up by somebody (or did it herself), and now is framing him for domestic violence assault.
If you all want to go down that road, then so be it, but I can't follow.
Jacob Wohl claiming credit for this is like when Osama claimed credit for every scare that came America's way during the 2000s
I am not going anywhere, I just find it suspicious that Whol is involved. Most likely, he's just trying to ride on this and can claim it's something his fake company did. But given his recent history, how can we not find it a bit suspicious?
Edit: Not a fan of Avenatti for Prez or whatever, so I am not defending him.
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Yeah this is the weird part, even though I don't think he's really involved but like I said in a previous post, the post truth world has rattled my compass somewhat.
Normally this would have been a clear "believe the abused first and see if there are other evidence later" situation, regardless of what I feel about Avenatti.
I remember that thread with the Catfish guy that was accused of sexual assault allegations and people had the most vile things to say. Everyone who said let's wait for the outcome was shouted down.
Turns out the allegations were false and not a single person that initially called for his head walked back their comments.
There is nothing wrong with waiting until we know everything before the fury.
Michael Avenatti @MichaelAvenatti
I want to be clear: I DID NOT commit domestic violence nor have I ever committed domestic violence. I did not strike any woman nor have I ever. I did not strike my ex-wife in the face nor did I hit anyone else in the face. I am a decent man & I look forward to being exonerated.
I want to be clear: I DID NOT commit domestic violence nor have I ever committed domestic violence. I did not strike any woman nor have I ever. I did not strike my ex-wife in the face nor did I hit anyone else in the face. I am a decent man & I look forward to being exonerated.
Already did. Sorry, until actual evidence comes forth to contradict the story being reported, I default to believing the victim. From the reports, we know a woman with a connection to him provided allegations against him to the police, who noted she had injuries. I understand people are nervous after the Mueller allegation bullshit, but there is a world of difference between a woman who never actually came forward to anyone and one, who according to news reports, has talked to the police.
There is NOTHING wrong with waiting till you know everything.
Considering that the GOP has been trying to turn women's causes against public opinion, I'm waiting for more. This could easily go either way.
I feel like "Believe women" is something that is often misunderstood. It's not supposed to mean "no need to hear details, he's guilty of exactly what she said he did". The point is, not too long ago, women were not listened to very carefully or not taken seriously, and that needed to change. I feel like everyone on this forum would agree with that. But trying to pressure others into jumping to conclusions and blaming them for wanting to know more is not okay. We know very little about this story and this guy is high profile enough right now that we're guaranteed to get a lot more information very quickly. We'll know exactly what he did or didn't do.
And I also said later that it's fine to be flexible to new evidence. But right now, there is no reason to say this is part of a conspiracy.
Like I initially said, I will re-read this thread when everything comes out, regardless the outcome.
That's fine, but you need to be aware of what that suspicion means. For him to be charged in this way, it means that one or both parties need to show injury, they need to be in a relationship, and police need to have the reasonable belief that he's responsible for those injuries.
It's clear the case has been co-opted by less savory people (including TMZ being the one to break the news). But like I noted, if you use that to disregard the actual facts (he was detained, charged, and released on $50K bail), you're saying that this woman is perpetrating a scam and committing a very serious crime in the process.
There's really not an alternative here (she would know whether he was the one to beat her or not). And that's not to say he's automatically guilty (for all we know, he could have been dosed with something working for some sketchy client and isn't responsible for his actions), but the facts we have now still need to be acknowledged as facts, rather than simply dismissing it all as conspiracy (not speaking directly to you).
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Okay? I really don't care in that regard. My post you quoted was just saying I won't regret thinking he's guilty, because defaulting to believing the victim isn't something that is wrong. I won't discount info that says in the end he's innocent, but until that happens I'm fine sticking with the simplest option.
I don't think the usual suspects are competent enough to pull a frame job like this. Nothing in the article seemed all that unusual. And it isn't exactly out of character:
http://time.com/5434317/michael-avenatti/
http://time.com/5434317/michael-avenatti/
I don't understand some replies here.
If the victim aka the wife said it did not happened.. then.. shouldn't he be innocent of crimes/charges.
So Why do some guys here still maintain that he might be guilty when you know.. the wife.. said...it didn't happen?
If the victim aka the wife said it did not happened.. then.. shouldn't he be innocent of crimes/charges.
So Why do some guys here still maintain that he might be guilty when you know.. the wife.. said...it didn't happen?
A woman with injuries according to the news reports. The police won't usually disclose the identity of a victim.
Because the first report that said it was his wife was mistaken. All reports after note it was a woman that isn't his wife. It is a charge of domestic abuse and he is married, but separated, so the mistake is easy to make.
So what you're saying is, if a woman goes down to the station and says she'd like to file charges under domestic violence, the police response is 'prove you're in a relationship'?
Bit from NBC 4:
Michael Avenatti, the attorney representing Stormy Daniels in her legal battle with President Donald Trump, was arrested Wednesday in the Los Angeles area on suspicion of domestic violence. He was released on bail hours later.
The police report was filed Tuesday night by an unidentified victim at a residence on the 10000 block of Santa Monica Boulevard in Century City, according to the Los Angeles Police Department.
The LAPD tweeted that it was an "ongoing investigation." The department would not reveal the identity of the reporting party or the exact nature of the person's injuries.
Avenatti was arrested and booked on felony domestic charges Wednesday afternoon, police said. He was released from custody around 5:30 p.m. and his bail was set at $50,000, according to jail records.
The police report was filed Tuesday night by an unidentified victim at a residence on the 10000 block of Santa Monica Boulevard in Century City, according to the Los Angeles Police Department.
The LAPD tweeted that it was an "ongoing investigation." The department would not reveal the identity of the reporting party or the exact nature of the person's injuries.
Avenatti was arrested and booked on felony domestic charges Wednesday afternoon, police said. He was released from custody around 5:30 p.m. and his bail was set at $50,000, according to jail records.
Yep, aware. Not saying the woman is lying. Aware of the gravity of the situation. But discounting Whol's possible involvement is also ignoring facts, so I am acknowledging all the facts and raising a brow at that part. Given that he literally tried to pay multiple women to accuse Muller of rape ( and seems to have actually succeeded in that, considering he had someone sign a statement, and has given that 'client' a name) it's not wildly impossible that something strange is going on here.
It's also not wildly impossible that Whol is just trying to attach his name to this because he's a narcissistic shithead idiot.
Apparently it was another woman and the initial report about it being his wife were mistaken. Nobody knows who the woman is, or what happened, but that doesn't stop the speculation from flowing.
The police would figure out which statutes apply.
Given that he was charged under 273.5 PC, it means that he is in a relationship with the person.
An intimate relation.
You can read all about the statute here. (And note that he's facing felony charges.)
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Yeah I'm gonna go with this one considering he recently got heckled at a makeshift Holiday Inn press conference next to a guy with his fly down
In other words, Jacob devised this plan like Trump beat Mueller at 4D chess
Yeah, getting somebody to make a false rape allegation is easy.
It's not so easy to have the police show up at the door, see the injuries of your partner, and arrest and charge you on felony count of causing those injuries.
The two situations just aren't comparable at all. That's not to say she's absolutely telling the truth, but she is a real person with a real address with real injuries in a real relationship with the accused. Every part of that becomes harder and harder to fake.
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