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Oct 25, 2017
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Synopsis

At the end of Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, the powerful dark wizard Gellert Grindelwald (Johnny Depp) was captured by MACUSA (Magical Congress of the United States of America), with the help of Newt Scamander (Eddie Redmayne). But, making good on his threat, Grindelwald escaped custody and has set about gathering followers, most unsuspecting of his true agenda: to raise pure-blood wizards up to rule over all non-magical beings.

In an effort to thwart Grindelwald's plans, Albus Dumbledore (Jude Law) enlists his former student Newt, who agrees to help, unaware of the dangers that lie ahead. Lines are drawn as love and loyalty are tested, even among the truest friends and family, in an increasingly divided wizarding world.

Crew

Directed by David Yates
Written by J.K. Rowling
Cinematography by Philippe Rousselot
Edited by Mark Day
Music by James Newton Howard

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Cast

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Eddie Redmayne as Newt Scamander

A courageous and resourceful wizard who was instrumental in the capture of the infamous
dark wizard Gellert Grindelwald during his recent excursion to New York.

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Katherine Waterston as Tina Goldstein

Now reinstated as an Auror, Tina has traveled to Paris on a cryptic
—and wholly unauthorized—investigation of her own.

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Dan Fogler as Jacob Kowalski

Jacob, a No-Maj who adores baking and Queen Goldstein—not necessarily
in that order—is upset to find himself in England,
having no memory of how he got there

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Alison Sudol as Queenie Goldstein

Queenie Goldstein is Tina's younger sister and a Legilimens, which can
sometimes be as much a curse as it is a blessing.

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Ezra Miller as Credence Barebone

Credence, an extremely powerful Obscurial, has come to Paris to search for
his mother and unearth his true identity.

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Zoë Kravitz as Leta Lestrange

Leta Lestrange is an old friend of Newt Scamander and shared a close bond with
him at Hogwarts. She is now engaged to Newt's older brother, Theseus.

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Callum Turner as Theseus Scamander

A celebrated war hero, Theseus is Newt's brother and Head of the Auror Office at
the British Ministry of Magic.

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Claudia Kim as Nagini

Nagini is the star attraction at Circus Arcanus, a wizarding world circus, where her transformative
powers are being exploited by her cruel owner and Ringmaster, Skender.

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Jude Law as Albus Dumbledore

Albus Dumbledore is the Defence Against the Dark Arts professor at Hogwarts
and an extremely talented wizard. Yet Dumbledore is unable to move
against Grindelwald himself—for reasons he alone knows.

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Johnny Depp as Gellert Grindelwald

Gellert Grindelwald is a powerful dark wizard, as charismatic as he is cunning,
who believes wizards should have dominion over all non-magical people.
Setting up a new base of operations in Paris, his influence grows.

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Links

Review Thread
Listen to the score here.





NOW THE MOVIE IS OUT, OPEN SPOILERS ARE ALLOWED.
 
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Oct 28, 2017
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I've still yet to see the first one, but I wanted to come in and say the thread title is fantastic! After Trigger and Slater appeared as Barty Crouch Jr and Slughorn, we need more Only Fools actors in tWWoHP!
 

DvergrBlod

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Wasn't bad at all, just felt bit too much like vehicle to setup next movie. And I was positively surprised of Depp's acting.
 

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Someone remind me, are movie OT's open spoiler zones? Or is there a time window at release for spoiler tagging?
 

John Caboose

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Just finished seeing it an hour ago. It was okey. The stakes felt non-existent and a large portion of the movie felt like it didn't need to be there as it added nothing or very little. Unremarkable almost through and through.

I wanted to see it and even with the above said, I'm glad I did.

As controversial as Depp is nowadays how is his performance in this?

Depp is largely subdued in this. Going in I thought he would be more of a distraction. Those eyes are just silly though.
 

spam musubi

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For those who saw it: did they really not hint at any sort of romantic relationship between Dumbledore and Grindelwald?
 

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Wasn't bad at all, just felt bit too much like vehicle to setup next movie. And I was positively surprised of Depp's acting.
So he wasn't playing some wizard version of Jack Sparrow?

For those who saw it: did they really not hint at any sort of romantic relationship between Dumbledore and Grindelwald?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2...-gay-new-fantastic-beasts-film-says-director/
"In that earlier interview, I didn't say Dumbledore's not gay. He is," he asserted.
"This part of this huge narrative that Jo is creating doesn't focus on his sexuality, but we're not airbrushing or hiding it," Yates continued. He said that although Dumbledore is "not out as a gay man in this film," it will still still be obvious to viewers.
"A couple of scenes we shot are very sensual moments of him and the young Grindelwald," he said. Grindlewald, played by Johnny Depp, is a "dark wizard" who wins the heart of Dumbledore (Jude Law).
"The story [of their romance] isn't there in this particular movie but it's clear in what you see… that he is gay," said Yates. "[The Crimes of Grindelwald] is about other things, fundamentally, but the story of Grindelwald and Dumbledore, going forward, that is the story."
 

Khezu

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Oct 25, 2017
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Anyone ever use the WB ticket pass thing they email you sometimes?
First time I bothered to actually redeem the passes.

Says it's overbooked and first come first serve.
How many people usually show up to something like that and should I even bother?
 
Oct 28, 2017
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For those who saw it: did they really not hint at any sort of romantic relationship between Dumbledore and Grindelwald?

I'll spoiler tag this just in case, but

you know how in Buffy, Joss Whedon used spells as a visual metaphor for Willow and Tara having sex? There's a scene in the film that echoes that quite a bit.
 

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For those who saw it: did they really not hint at any sort of romantic relationship between Dumbledore and Grindelwald?

Not really, just some line to the effect of "we were more than brothers." Definitely ambiguous in the film itself. The most intimate moment is when they make a blood brothers type pact (it's even called a Blood Pact in the film). Not something that would automatically bring the idea of same-sex love to mind.
 

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So he wasn't playing some wizard version of Jack Sparrow?


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2...-gay-new-fantastic-beasts-film-says-director/
"In that earlier interview, I didn't say Dumbledore's not gay. He is," he asserted.
"This part of this huge narrative that Jo is creating doesn't focus on his sexuality, but we're not airbrushing or hiding it," Yates continued. He said that although Dumbledore is "not out as a gay man in this film," it will still still be obvious to viewers.
"A couple of scenes we shot are very sensual moments of him and the young Grindelwald," he said. Grindlewald, played by Johnny Depp, is a "dark wizard" who wins the heart of Dumbledore (Jude Law).
"The story [of their romance] isn't there in this particular movie but it's clear in what you see… that he is gay," said Yates. "[The Crimes of Grindelwald] is about other things, fundamentally, but the story of Grindelwald and Dumbledore, going forward, that is the story."

I would classify Depp's performance as relatively understated, at least when compared with other roles (Pirates, recent Tim Burton collaborations) where he plays a stylized character. He's not in it that much, but he was effective as a charismatic leader that I could see developing a large following. I find it easier to believe that he could persuade people to his side than I can a f**king snake man
 

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For those who saw it: did they really not hint at any sort of romantic relationship between Dumbledore and Grindelwald?

I think they pretty much walk up to the line of saying had a sexual past without saying it. Such as Dumbledore seeing him in the mirror that shows your deepest desires, Dumbledore telling the Ministry they were more than brothers and of course their blood pact to never fight
 

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I think they pretty much walk up to the line of saying had a sexual past without saying it. Such as Dumbledore seeing him in the mirror that shows your deepest desires, Dumbledore telling the Ministry they were more than brothers and of course their blood pact to never fight

Yep. It was really clear that they have had sexual relationship.

I didn't like this as much as the first one. The story is really thin and you could really tell it in 15 minutes, you don't even need all the characters to tell it. Depp does his best role in over 10 years, I liked it. Jude Law and Zoe Kravitz were really good as well. I also liked some of the visuals. Filler episode though.
 

Ithil

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I'm still confused as to why Dumbledore not only doesn't have long hair, but is balding. Yes, Jude Law has short hair and is balding, but just put a wig on him.
 

Aomame

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I'm a big Harry Potter fan but I did not enjoy the first movie. I will probably go see this though.

How much of the plot of the first movie do I need to remember going into this one? Would a quick read of a synopsis suffice?
 

Droyd

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Three hours until my showing, very excited. I'm heavily invested in the characters and world so I don't mind a two hour meandering movie (I can indulge in all the references and magic).

Going in with lowered expectations but I'm sure I'll enjoy it regardless :)
 

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I'm a big Harry Potter fan but I did not enjoy the first movie. I will probably go see this though.

How much of the plot of the first movie do I need to remember going into this one? Would a quick read of a synopsis suffice?

Yes. After seeing the new movie, the first one feels more like a prologue than a first chapter. The new film feels like the launching point for the next three (?) films that will deal with the battle against Grindelwald.
 

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Did anyone who saw the movie expect
Queenie's dark side turn
? I didn't read much of anything about this film ahead of time, so it was definitely the most surprising twist in the film for me. On that point,
is she under some kind of spell? Maybe that tea she kept refusing did something to her, or did something happen when she had her freak-out on the Paris streets? Or did she turn of her own free will? Very confused here.
 

LuuKyK

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I liked it more than the first one. The HP references were super nice and the visuals were awesome. Have to give props to the composer too, fantastic OST.

Also, did not see that reveal at the end coming at all...

JK sure loves to create new characters huh? Lol where the fuck did that come from? I am curious as to how she is going to explain Dumbledore's family now.

Did anyone who saw the movie expect
Queenie's dark side turn
? I didn't read much of anything about this film ahead of time, so it was definitely the most surprising twist in the film for me. On that point,
is she under some kind of spell? Maybe that tea she kept refusing did something to her, or did something happen when she had her freak-out on the Paris streets? Or did she turn of her own free will? Very confused here.

Uhmmmm

She loves Jacob so much that Grindelwald's false hopes/words of a free world for wizards to love and marry who they want got to her. She is willing to go all the way to be allowed to have a normal relationship with a muggle/no-maj. That's how I saw it at least.
 

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I liked it more than the first one. The HP references were super nice and the visuals were awesome. Have to give props to the composer too, fantastic OST.

Also, did not see that reveal at the end coming at all...

JK sure loves to create new characters huh? Lol where the fuck did that come from? I am curious as to how she is going to explain Dumbledore's family now.



Uhmmmm

She loves Jacob so much that Grindelwald's false hopes/words of a free world for wizards to love and marry who they want got to her. She is willing to go all the way to be allowed to have a normal relationship with a muggle/no-maj. That's how I saw it at least.

I can certainly see that, but it seemed a bit abrupt for her to go from "get away from me" to "you have a point about those dumb rules about marrying muggles". Also, if she was drawn to Grindelwald because of her dilemma with Jacob, why did she kick Jacob to the curb at the end? I'm interested to see how her character is handled in the next film. Is she going to come back to the good side?
 

LuuKyK

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I can certainly see that, but it seemed a bit abrupt for her to go from "get away from me" to "you have a point about those dumb rules about marrying muggles". Also, if she was drawn to Grindelwald because of her dilemma with Jacob, why did she kick Jacob to the curb at the end? I'm interested to see how her character is handled in the next film. Is she going to come back to the good side?

Well, Grindelwald is extremely persuasive and she is a Legilimens, so Queenie probably didn't find anything strange or wrong while reading his mind (he is probably good at occlumency anyway). In her mind if Grindelwald wins this "war" she will be free to go back to Jacob and marry him without worries, which is dumb considering the whole pure blood shit he keeps talking about, but yeah, love and all that...
 

Iceternal

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Am I the only one who thinks Grindlewald is a better villain than Voldemort ? In the movies anyway.
 
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I pretty much hated it; I thought it was confounding, incoherent mess that couldn't even deliver engaging action sequences or a compelling conclusion. It's tonally all over the place, too, going from slapstick comedy to some really dark territory. Zoe Kravitz's character arc in particular pissed me off, like I don't think the filmmakers realized just how dark the territory they delved into were, and just throw that shit out there with no regard.

The best way I can think to summarize it is: This was the Attack of the Clones of the Potterverse. Seriously, some of the beats of this movie match up shockingly with it.
 

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I pretty much hated it; I thought it was confounding, incoherent mess that couldn't even deliver engaging action sequences or a compelling conclusion. It's tonally all over the place, too, going from slapstick comedy to some really dark territory. Zoe Kravitz's character arc in particular pissed me off, like I don't think the filmmakers realized just how dark the territory they delved into were, and just throw that shit out there with no regard.

The best way I can think to summarize it is: This was the Attack of the Clones of the Potterverse. Seriously, some of the beats of this movie match up shockingly with it.

Really ?? Wow I definitely need to see this now. I don't have a huge vested interest in the HP Universe so I won't be offended by whatever they cooked up
 

Droyd

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Just came out of the cinema.

Very glad I had me expectations in check.

I liked what they did with a few characters, mainly Queenie.

To say Credence is meant to be the centrepiece of this movie (and the reason all the characters are in Paris) he barely gets any screen time. But again, I preferred his character here than in Where to Find Them.

It has a very different feeling to the prior film, and to all Harry Potter films in general really. It rushes through a lot of scenes (there's one in particular where it breezes by where the trailers made it seem we'd spend more time in this particular location).

Johnny Depp as Grindlewald, I really liked him. Very, very subdued. He's an interesting character though, I'm excited to see him in FB3.

Jude Law's Dumbledore I was less fussed about, didn't have any particular gravitas to his character other than being 'Dumbledoor'.

There's one character in particular that goes to waste, like thrown away for no reason.

I agree, should have been a book! I have loads to say but don't know how to spoiler tag. Is there anywhere on the internet that discusses spoilers?
 

Tornak

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As with anything Harry Potter-related (except for the mobile games and The Cursed Child), I'm really excited. Really loved the cast in the original and, while flawed (and way too gray-looking iirc), I quite liked it. I'll be watching Saturday.

Glad to see that Depp is cool in this one: when he wants and the script is right, he can be an amazing actor, but he was absolutely ridiculous in the little screentime he had in the first one. So seeing him in the trailers instantly gave me hope considering how, indeed, subdued he acted and looked (his long hair makes him look alright).

Very curious to see how they handle Nagini. The concept of her character is cool as unfortunate as it seems as of now. I wish they didn't spoil that, although I guess there might be more to her than meets the eye if they decided to do so.

Also interested in Newt's brother, although I don't really like how he's the older one yet looks younger (which makes sense considering that the actor playing is younger than Eddie lol).
I agree, should have been a book! I have loads to say but don't know how to spoiler tag. Is there anywhere on the internet that discusses spoilers?
You can do so by writing [x] [/x] and replacing the "x" with "spoiler" instead. You can then write the spoiler contents in the space in between both brackets (be sure to preview the post before posting so that everything is actually spoilered!).

But a spoiler thread should be created as well, yeah, so that people can go there and not bother with spoiler tags.
 
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TheZynster

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Just came out of the cinema.

Very glad I had me expectations in check.

I liked what they did with a few characters, mainly Queenie.

To say Credence is meant to be the centrepiece of this movie (and the reason all the characters are in Paris) he barely gets any screen time. But again, I preferred his character here than in Where to Find Them.

It has a very different feeling to the prior film, and to all Harry Potter films in general really. It rushes through a lot of scenes (there's one in particular where it breezes by where the trailers made it seem we'd spend more time in this particular location).

Johnny Depp as Grindlewald, I really liked him. Very, very subdued. He's an interesting character though, I'm excited to see him in FB3.

Jude Law's Dumbledore I was less fussed about, didn't have any particular gravitas to his character other than being 'Dumbledoor'.

There's one character in particular that goes to waste, like thrown away for no reason.

I agree, should have been a book! I have loads to say but don't know how to spoiler tag. Is there anywhere on the internet that discusses spoilers?


Make a spoiler thread......just make sure people can clearly see its a spoiler thread.


Also impressions here seem somewhatpositive........i knew it was going to be mass filler though. We still have 3 movies after this
 

Hamchan

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wow this movie was incredibly messy and not as good as the first, which I liked quite a bit. There was a bunch of plot lines in this that all garbled together and made it so there wasn't really a strong forward thrust to any of them. You can tell it's the second part of a five film series because how stuffed it is and how nothing is really resolved, which is fine but I wish I didn't have to wait 2 years for the next installment, so I guess the filmmakers succeeded in making me want to watch a third movie.

I still thought it was ok overall but this feels like some of the Harry Potter films whose main goal was to hit some of the major beats of the novels without the depth, except this movie doesn't have a novel version.

Regarding Depp, he was fine, but I do still see him as just Johnny Depp rather than Grindelwald.
 

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The previous film was so incredibly average, besides Colin Farrell, I hope this is better
 

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Going tonight but i don't really know what to expect

Kinda liked the first movie but no Colin Farrel is huge blergh
 

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I haven't been hearing good things but I also didn't hear good things about lots of Harry Potter movies and I love all of them soooo

Also I'd like to ask but I don't want to make a new thread: Is there any indication that Rowling will get back to writing novels again or at least writing novels for these movies? Because I'd really prefer if she did.
 
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I haven't been hearing good things but I also didn't hear good things about lots of Harry Potter movies and I love all of them soooo

Also I'd like to ask but I don't want to make a new thread: Is there any indication that Rowling will get back to writing novels again or at least writing novels for these movies? Because I'd really prefer if she did.
She is still writing novels. Look up the Strike series. She writes it under the pseudonym Richard Galbraith.

I don't think she'll be able to resist writing another novel in the wizarding world at some point, but it'll probably happen after Fantastic Beasts is finished if she does.
 

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She is still writing novels. Look up the Strike series. She writes it under the pseudonym Richard Galbraith.

I don't think she'll be able to resist writing another novel in the wizarding world at some point, but it'll probably happen after Fantastic Beasts is finished if she does.
A decade from now? Christ. :(

Also would you recommend the Strike series? I'm looking it up now and wondering if I should get into it. Any good?
 
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VaanXSnake

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It's a mediocre movie, I really like the first one but this one feels like a setup for the third movie, nothing really happened, the movie doesn't tell us anything at all, the cast besides the male lead/vilain is terrible ( Erza miller was fine but not that great ) some characters should have gone out ( like the fat dude and his future wife, completely useless and her plot twist doesn't make any fucking sense ) the movie is well executed, the visuals are way better than the first one and I like the design of the new creatures but the pacing could have been better without the romantic scenes, like oh my god, it's Star Wars prequel kind of romantic scene, please, don't do it for the third one.

As much as I find it mediocre, I really enjoyed the last 30 minutes of the movie and I'm kinda hype for the third one and there is something else I love in those movies: it's the magic, spells, visuals, power, everything feels in the right place, it's funny because it's the weakest part of the Harry potter series but the biggest strength of fantastic beasts.

+ :
- male lead.
- Depp was good.
- creatures looks great.
- Paris and the location looks amazing.
- Magic as a all.
- Great setup for movie 3.

- :
- secondary cast was terrible.
- pacing due to useless scenes that doesn't work like the romantic one, breakups and stuff
- Dumbledore baldness
- lack of setpieces
- boring
- the tone is all over the place.
- some plot twist are ridiculous and doesn't even make sense.
- too much scenes are a copycat of scenes from the first one.
- movie isn't fun at all.
 

janusff

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Great OT WadiumArcadium

Wife and I got our tickets for this weekend. Was bummed Alamo didn't have a mondo pint glass for this film. Been noticing that with WB pictures. I guess they don't want Mondo making wares for them. ;_;
 

Mcfrank

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Great OT. Have Dolby Cinema tickets for tomorrow night. Expectations in check, but I am a Harry Potter Super Fan and really enjoyed the first FB movie.
 

Mcfrank

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A decade from now? Christ. :(

Also would you recommend the Strike series? I'm looking it up now and wondering if I should get into it. Any good?

The strike series is fantastic. I have not read the newest one yet, but the first and third books are both really good. The second one was ok, not amazing to me (but still worth reading). Pickup Cuckoos Calling on paper back. It should be pretty cheap.
 

Bradbury

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Watched early in the week, I really don´t think JK is a good screenwritter. And I´m a big fan of HP.
There´s way too much plot and characters, too much flashbacks and expositions.
Sadly the movie fell really flat to me, and I really enjoyed the first one. Not looking forward to the rest.