Much rather see this award given to someone like futureman gaming, that makes truly interesting and fresh content. Dude never fails to entertain me. He has such positive vibes and is a great role model too.
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Geoff, we need to have a serious talk about the "Content Creator" award.
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You can be a gamer, be trendy and make other things like streaming. As i said, Charlie "GamingBrit" Cade makes funny and informativo videos and is a gamer, Mark Brown create glorious educational videos and is a gamer... I understand that streaming is hot now, but with so many many and being so visible, having streamers that uses racist slurs is nearly asking for another adpocalypse to gaming related content creators.
But as a content creator at a show entirely about fan service, it would make no sense to exclude the guy with a fanbase that size.
"We at TGA take a strong stance against discrimination and as such Ninja will not be in contention for this year's award"
I don't see what about that doesn't make sense.
Dude. Dude.
"Not wanting to [interact] with a [member of a group of people] doesn't mean any discrimination."
Look at what you're saying here. That's literally discrimination. If you are not willing to interact with someone solely because they are a member of a group, that is discrimination.
What the fuck, dude.
I'm sorry but that kid deserved that. I don't watch game streamers but I'm gonna guess they use all manners of derogatory language. I'm glad he screamed on the little shit.
Edit: Watching some of these other vids posted and Holy shit are gamestreamers terrible. Ugh, just toss the award.
Perhaps its you who needs to brush up on some reading.
lol you quoted a poster with a hypothetical...
What if Ninja had said...
"I just dont stream with black people"
Vs.
What you claim he actually said..
"I'll only stream with men because of my awesome pheromones and also my wife doesn't trust me and I'm scared of my dumbass fans misconstruing things"
Your misrepresenting the reality of what he actually said, i don't care about your hypothetical, i agree that both statements do sounds absurd, but the issue is he didn't say either of them unless you can find me a video or article where he says... "I'll only stream with men because of my awesome pheromones and also my wife doesn't trust me and I'm scared of my dumbass fans misconstruing things"... if not than my original post stands.
And to me, nothing is more illuminating of the gaming culture than how quickly they attempt to dress down any person, game, or company the moment they get an opportunity.
I'm not going to act like Ninja is perfect, but I'm going to at least have common sense and see that he attempts to maintain a quality stream and has done a gajillion things for the community. In real life mistakes happen, and I will not be using one quote or two minutes of youtube that highlight his mistakes to invalidate his thousands of hours of successful contributions to the culture.
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I mean, I can understand the frustration? But it's a kid, you shouldn't get to that level on one over a videogame.
Okay let's switch it up. Why do you think it would be okay if he doesn't want to play with black people or muslims?
Serious or not, this is pretty much how I imagine the mental level of the viewers of popular streamers like Ninja.
Any kind of actual data for that?
Chances are all any experiment they did (on top of being questionable on the ethic part) would probably fail to not having any control group whatsoever anyway.
And when I mean data I don't mean stuffs like the US granted safe passage to some scientists and "forgot" to prosecute someone who then went on to do some science.
I mean, he's a piece of shit for that as well.
Interesting that you see defending neonazis as "avoiding radicalization"...
I kinda agree, but the kid called him a "fag"... I can see why. And it seems he doesn't tolerate that shit, so good on him. And ninja probably being someone he looks up to (ugh, this happens every generation. "I don't know what the fuck is up with kids these days") maybe he won't go around calling people names like that.
Guy streams himself playing games for hours and hours every day and people pick him apart with cherry picked clips and quotes to pretend he's a terrible person while ignoring everything else he does.
I don't care at all for let's players or whatever but this complaining seems ridiculous
I don't care at all for let's players or whatever but this complaining seems ridiculous
Give that award to Ahoy. The level of care and detail and time that goes into each of his videos is just incredible. There are so many other positive creators out there, even ones that say fuck. I don't think the award needs to be tossed out, they just need to reconsider who they put in the nominations.
Haha, that was actually my fault on the reading comprehension side of things. I neglected to expand the quoted segment and didn't see that you'd bolded the latter passage.
Either way, though, anyone reading that should hopefully realize that I wasn't attributing it as a direct quote to Ninja, but was sarcastically referencing his shitty rationale for not wanting to interact with women. Yes, there was hyperbole, but at its base there's still the weird insinuation that if he so much shows up on screen with a woman, suddenly everyone will start thinking they're dating, causing relationship problems for everyone involved.
If you read that passage and thought "wow, Ninja said that?", then yes, you have some reading comprehension issues.
Ahoy's video on Polybius is one of the most interesting, well edited documentaries I've ever seen.
That's to say nothing of his Brief History of Graphics, Nuclear Fruit, or hell, even is Call of Duty weapon guides.
Everything that man touches turns to gold.
MrBtongue too
edit: since when did youtube names turn into links to the channel? nice
edit 2: it was because i copied his name from a link, which just works
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It's an award for gamers (Massive portion, especially younger and newer gamers brought in by Fortnite watch people like him). It's about popularity. It's the same reason why something like Divinity Original Sin 2 never had a chance of winning best RPG. Idealism is fine and dandy, but it's not reflective of decisions made in real life.
It's also been interesting to see how cussing or vulgar language has swung back around as a hot button issue as our userbase has started to age and have children of their own. Sensitivity level has definitely gone up.
It's also been interesting to see how cussing or vulgar language has swung back around as a hot button issue as our userbase has started to age and have children of their own. Sensitivity level has definitely gone up.
It isnt using one quote. Its literally, actively, and continuously discriminating against women. If you think because he doesnt use swear words on stream that somehow makes him a great dude that supercedes the fact he is actively discriminating against women that speaks volumes about your own outlook on the matter. No amount of work he does in the community is going to distract from the fact he is openly legitimizing the gaming communities desires to bar women from gaming.
He deserves the award for eternity. I can watch that Polybius video over and over again... And I have.
That being said, there are so many other creators out there too who would be better nominations. Forgive me if I list anyone who has been problematic in the past as I don't keep up with everyone BUT.
Super BunnyHop, Super Best Friends, Ahoy, Joseph Anderson, NakeyJakey, DigitalFoundry, GamingHistorian, Stop Skeletons From Fighting, Maximilian, Core-A Gaming, LGR. I mean really, this list could go on.
Would love to have Woolie nominated and win an award its why these awards are kinda lame because I don't really see channels like that get nominated.
I didnt try to rationalize misogyny I only tried to clarify that discriminating against women isnt misogyny.
So because he plays hours and hours of games a day that somehow forces him to say shitty things? I don't get what that has to do with anything. Is he under too much stress from playing games so he has to bust out some women-hating or the n word every once in a while to let off steam?
Woolie going ham on stage after winning would just melt my heart.
God bless that beautiful man. <3
Maybe you can explain more because I don't watch or follow Ninja. But I remember him saying that he doesn't stream with women because of how the community reacts, creates narratives about their relationships etc. Which is a dubious reason, but one considering what I've seen of these communities and popular YouTube channels, that genuinely could be a toxic input to his relationship with his wife. Was there more than just that, or is that the crux of the argument that has formed against him? Because if so I get it. But it does seem a tad hyperbolic for how you're stating it.
There is no good reason for discrimination. "It makes things easier for me" is certainly not one.
This over and over again...
Streaming while you play ain't the definition of content creator for me.. but to each his own...
I've never particularyl enjoyed the let's play video either in general, so maybe I don't fit this hobby demographics, :shrug:
Everyone slips up. He has changed his ways and doesn't swear anymore. And the "women-hating" aspect is debateable
lol maybe, but I'd rather be in that state of schadenfreude than be holding a grudge against him because he said a naughty word once in his life.
His argument wasn't even about toxicity, it was that people start "shipping" rumours over him and those women. And this bothers him. But it doesn't even bother his wife. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
https://www.polygon.com/2018/8/11/17675738/ninja-twitch-female-gamers
Somehow the narrative got twisted about Ninja just being overprotective of women from harassment and toxicity, presumably to make him seem like the good guy (it'd still be lame because he'd be throwing women under the bus instead of, you know, using his influence and wealth to reign him his shitty fans), but it's not even the reason he chose to exclude women. It was literally because he wanted to avoid "gossip".
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This award category should be binned, it completely detracts attention from the folks who actually create the games and takes away some of the professionalism that the show strives for. As for the person who said ninja is the best thing to happen in gaming, well that just has to be the biggest load of nonsense I've ever read on this forum.
I don't see how it's a slip-up up though when he actively won't stream with women
