This category has always been fucking shit.
The exclusionist attitude and further making gaming culture a boys' club.
The exclusionist attitude and further making gaming culture a boys' club.
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Geoff, we need to have a serious talk about the "Content Creator" award.
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He refuses the take any blame for fostering a toxic following and puts all the blame on the women for being women.
Last year they were involved in the show's production. They might be too close to be safely nominated.
Three questions..
Isn't stream sniping a banbable offense?
If he thought it was stream sniping he's fine with reporting it, do they ban without evidence?
Did he report it and did the person get banned?
I've been playing video games for over 20 years and I have absolutely no idea who he is.
Not how it's worked, sadly. People who have won it have BEEN and are shit people.
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Oh, yes - let's start our ERA lynching wagon. About time.
I don't know if sarcastic or not, but in case you are truly missing the point, what people are "mad" about Ninja is that instead of showing his followers to respect and don't be massive jerks to woman, he's upfront rejecting them.
His reasoning is to not stream with any women since he's afraid people will start rumors of them fucking and ruining his marriage. Any person with two brain cells who knows something of logic can identify that streaming with a girl doesn't automatically means you are in the bed with her, people can be friends, but Ninja is reinforcing this toxic behaviour instead of just using his giant power as the face of the most popular videogame on the planet to actually send a good message.
Hope that clears it.
The guy has about 20 millions followers on Twitch, I'm sure we can consider that 'very famous' by any standards.
How dare a community speak up against discrimination, what a lynch wagon! Its really the oppressors who are being oppressed!
Ok I take back what I said and that all streamers are inherently flawed in some way.
Easy Allies are perfect. BUT again they are a solid group of guys that do this as a profession and not some random dude that got famous for streaming his life.
I love that in this day, just using the guise of "fighting against discrimination" you can attack anyone you want. You can be mean and judge others AND feel morally superior for doing it, win win. Great job.
He is not problematic, you may not agree with his views but that doesn't make him any less deserving of the award.
What I don't get is why they named the award "Content Creator" instead of something like "Game Streamer"? They're not technically different, but I imagine when someone says "content creator" they're more likely to think of someone like GamExplain, SuperButterBuns, or Stop Skeletons From Fighting than someone who streams on twitch and then uploads their recordings to YouTube (or just saves it as a VOD)
I wish this award were more about the actual content created and not about popularity. Easy Allies, ACG, and many that I don't know... I bet they make much more creative and worthy of acknowledge content than these streamers but, what do I know?
Important questions. The thing is, stream sniping, especially on Twitch, is absolutely forbidden. If he thinks or has a massive hunch someone is doing it, he absolutely should be reporting them. Generally, stream sniping is a tough thing to ever fully confirm, but Twitch does do mini investigations and reviews gameplay and chat, etc, to try and sort it out. I've been stream snipped before and I mostly let it go, but it is a pretty cruddy thing to do to gain competitive advantages.
I mean, is this really something people are mad at him about? People can keep saying someone didn't stream snipe, but unless they are in the room with the person it's not like they actually know. Stream sniping is typically most noticeable when someone beelines directly to your location ready to kill when there is no way they could know your there.
I don't think him being concerned someone was cheating, or convinced they were, really means much.
That's what makes the entire awards show so frustrating. They want this show to be both the Oscars for video games but also also the MTV movie awards for video games. So they make an act of trying to be as classy as possible, nominating indie darlings like Celeste and the like while also being as tacky as possible because they need advertisers.
It is.
He brought it up on stream and kept hounding the guy about it despite other streamers saying otherwise and the person who killed him was also streaming and had proofhe was not sniping, but Ninja kept saying he was stream sniping.
Epic may or may not ban without evidence. It brings into question that if someone who has more Twitch viewership can "bully" other players by threatening to report them or to have their fans harass them, it can be an issue.
There was a lot of back and forth on Twitter and the person in question was sadly ready to have his account retired even though he had proof because he was that worried Ninja's word would take precedence over his.
TL;DR: Toxic attitude when losing is a bad look and threatening bans for no reason when you have more influence than other players is also a bad look.
You're right, but quality doesn't inherently bring a large fan base to cross over to your brand . These award shows are no different than any other "award" show.
In truth, the fact he is able to pull off consistent wins in a game like fortnite is crazy to me.
I take the slammies very seriously friend!
2018, categorically discriminating against women is not problematic. What a bunch of bullshit.
Pretty sure Boogie didn't become a stooge until after he won. Before the award he was in his own little Youtube niche. Dunno why everyone hates on Geoff for not being a time traveler.
I think if I were to choose I would probably choose Pokimane, since she seems less controversial over the other nominees. Though I've never watched her, but I don't watch any of these people. I think what Ninja does for charity and awareness has helped a lot of people. But I don't begrudge anyone who dislikes him for past mishaps.
By all means have a 'streamer of the year' popularity contest, but I don't really think streamers should win a 'content creation' award when there's plenty of people that put so much time and effort into making original content about games. Kim Justice makes awesome documentaries for a start.
I don't understand this. He should get an award for being popular? What is the point of such an award? What does he do that makes him deserving of an award?
It's just another name for it. YouTubers are routinely called "content creators". While people who make movies or music or games or write books are also creating content, and probably more worthwhile content, it's not really a label that is used to describe them. Don't get so hung up on the name.
The Trending Gamer award is truly the Defense Against the Dark Arts professorial appointment of video games.
The OP has it right. If we don't want to award people for shitty behavior, you gotta kill the award. Because the second you do something like not include someone as big as Ninja for nomination, you create a shitstorm that you can't back down from, and will hurt the shows numbers. So just pull the award altogether. Next year, don't have it. Problem solved.
Nope. He was always a stooge, Before he won he defended gamergate at the old place and got banned for it. He's just gotten a lot worse.
Side note, focusing on streaming as "content creation" while ignoring the vast amount of great essays and video series on YouTube is incredibly shitty. People like Noah Caldwell Gervais and Joseph Anderson are much much more deserving for actually creating thoughtful and meaningful content.
This is more of the "with great power comes great responsibility take". I mean he's said stuff like this before when he wasn't on top of the world and no one cared. The problem of course is, now he is, and everyone has eyes on his every word.
All this really means is hey, guess what, Ninja isn't some perfect robot. He's human. He makes mistakes. Sometimes to an extreme like with this assuming there was no sniping.
It happens. I think, and I said this in my longer post, we put way, way, WAY too many expectations on people who have audiences to be perfect little robots that never show they aren't flawless and don't have their own range of emotions just because the audience might do something with those emotions (like go attack the other guy). It's something he SHOULD consider, but in the heat of the moment he's just being human. He's being himself. And I can't really get mad about it. I can just ask him to learn from it.
The Game Awards twitter not only took just over 30 minutes to individually tweet about the other trending gamer nominees after Ninja but didn't congratulate any of them like it did with his nomination.
What a sham.
What a sham.
Huh, I don't think many people would be opposed to that. As far as I know his biggest flaw is being SHIIIIIIIIIT at games. ;P
But seriously though, has Angry Joe ever did something highly questionable?
Ninja will and should win, but also so just to keep his millions of followers from attacking Geoff (or to get them to watch)
I never like that term of influencer, they are so cold and sterile.
? I was saying there should be a difference between a streamer and someone creating original content (like various youtubers) when considering a shortlist for a content creation award, not that YouTubers aren't called content creators.
