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Second Toy Story 4 teaser - Meet Ducky and Bunny (Key and Peele)
- Thread starter JehutyRunner
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Nintendo also has a higher net worth. You left that out.
Also, I never said they were as big as Disney. But they are a more efficient money maker.
Do you really think Nintendo net worth is more than Disney?
Edit: I see you're moving goal posts.
You're talking business and how income and profit operates to people who look up everything by Wikipedia
They won't understand what you're trying to say b
The fact that Pokemon being the biggest media franchise on the planet is just going over their head means you don't need to engage in conversation with them
I do not think, I know it is.
Perhaps you should use Google yourself and find out. Get back to me when you do.
Are you getting confused between Yen and Dollars? Because otherwise, I don't think you know what net worth means...
I mean obviously they didn't just make this a day ago. I'm just saying they sped up their ad time table because they lost a lot of steam releasing yesterday's teaser with Pikachu.
Of course, all speculation.
They don't have to since both release dates are a month apart. But I'm sure they want people to talk more about Toy Story 4 than Detective Pikachu.
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I was expecting to see people bring up that Disney may have had planned this trailer for a later week and moved it to today instead. Was not expecting to see people actually claiming that they re-edited, or re-dubbed a trailer.
There are probably quite a few that think it is. I think for most, though, they know it's just a random teaser.
No one's arguing about the appeal of Pokemon, this is about company sizes and values, since that's what the post I was replying to was about.
And rather than being a dick about our business acumen, care to point to some well sourced numbers that prove your point? Because as shitty as our Wikipedia numbers might be, they clearly say that:
- Disney's total equity is much higher than Nintendo
- Disney's market cap is much higher than Nintendo
- Disney's profit and revenues are both much higher
- Disney's profit margin for 2018 was much higher than Nintendo (earlier, I quoted 2017 numbers, the 2018 numbers are 22% margin for Disney and 13% for Nintendo).
Maybe you're right, but if you are I think those of us on the other side would appreciate an explanation rather than just condescension.
Whether it was intentional or not, it's like when DC releases a trailer and Marvel releases one a week later. Marketing sometimes feels like a game of Chess.
Nah I did use Google. Maybe you are using some made up currency?
Disney sits at $114 billion
Nintendo sits at $140 billion
A lot of Disney's money is tied to stocks and potential so it isn't tangible (similar to most of Amazon's and how it isn't liquid).
While Nintendo has some of the most liquid cash on Earth. I was just stating how their business model is more efficient for printing money with less overhead. Amusement parks and shit are crazy overhead. I was just stating for a company of their size they print money more effectively. In combination with Pokemon, they shouldn't be overlooked as far as potential goes.
Plus they are getting into the amusement park game as well. For all the shit that they get on here, they know how to make a fuck ton of money without buying out anything and relying on their brand. I am not trying to say Disney is some tiny name--obviously they are much larger than Nintendo in many ways. But Pokemon has managed to become the number one media franchise with no really big movies and that in large part is because of Nintendo.
Disney: https://www.forbes.com/companies/walt-disney/#590bebe55730
Revenue $56.8 B
Assets $97.9 B
Profits $11.5 B
Nintendo: https://www.forbes.com/companies/nintendo/#309bd1ec1898
Revenue $9.5 B
Assets $15.4 B
Profits $1.3 B
Thats a no from me dawg
Gives me Rio vibes where those two side characters are obviously famous singers or something.
Introducing these characters with a fourth wall break too, ehhh Idk even though Wreck it Ralph 2 is 100% gonna go full meta with acknowledgement of the first movie.
Gives me Rio vibes where those two side characters are obviously famous singers or something.
Introducing these characters with a fourth wall break too, ehhh Idk even though Wreck it Ralph 2 is 100% gonna go full meta with acknowledgement of the first movie.
- The only source for Nintendo being worth that much is thewealthrecord.com, which has no sourcing for its numbers, and is one of those "celebrity net worth" sites that are notoriously unreliable.
- The only source that says Disney is worth near 114 billion is GoBankingRates, which indicates it's an estimate they made up
- These numbers are way out of line with numbers we do have official sources for (total equity, market cap, assets, revenue, ...)
- If you have real sources, please mention them, because these aren't reliable.
Furthermore Nintendo doesn't have "some of the most liquid cash on earth". The best number I can find for Nintendo cash on hand is $4.6 billion, which is certainly a lot but would put it well outside the top 25 in the world, and nowhere near the amount of companies like Apple or Microsoft.
People aren't giving Nintendo shit here. They're a very successful company and Pokemon is huge. That's not in question. This is just about the idea that they're in any way worth more than Disney, or that they make more money than Disney.
No those were the sources that came up for me which was what I was using for the basis of my argument, my apologies then. Thought they were solid.
Thanks for this, and no need to apologize. I'm certainly not an expert on this stuff, so I was right there googling sources with you, I just have some bad history with those celebrity net worth sites and figure Wikipedia/Forbes are at least a little more reliable.
On topic, clearly this isn't a scene from the movie, and it's just K&P riffing on stuff from their show, kind of surprised how mad it's making some people. This whole movie continues to seem unnecessary to me, but I hope it's fun because I'll be taking my daughter to it no matter what.
After the last film making as much money as it did, it honestly doesn't surprise me. They have a good track record with these films so I will give them the benefit of the doubt... This time. Hopefully they put resources into more new IPs and stories in the future.
Yeah, that I'll completely agree on. Once this is out, 4 of their last 5 films will be sequels, and at least 2 of those were not very good.
Man, I'm really not thinking a Toy Story movie is gonna do so hot when it drops. These teasers have been unbelievably underwhelming. This feels more like a teaser for a new Despicable Me more than a powerhouse Disney IP. The comedy rn is extremely based on today's trends, if that's how the movie goes, this movie is not gonna age well at all.
They've likely had this trailer ready for a while but I'm sure it would not have dropped today if yesterday's TS4 teaser got a better response. Kind of a weird release pattern otherwise, unless they're gonna push out content all week? This was definitely a reaction.
Man, you guys that think this is some kind of response to the Detective Pikachu really don't realize how massive the Toy Story IP is.
Star Wars is a bigger brand than Avatar, yet it didn't stop Avatar from doing better than many of the SW releases.
There are of course no guarantees, but Disney/Pixar is a completely ludicrous standard to measure DP against. You're talking about a marketing machine and reputation that puts butts in seats like a total boss. They even weathered that lull where they got a bit too greedy/cheap with the Cars franchise.
You also have to wonder if it's the kind of thing that can cross from anime/games/cards to a spin-off film series. Largely it's something people enjoy playing or collecting. The animated series itself doesn't even seem that popular tbqh.
My boys are now 6 and 11, and they love Marvel stuff, not Star Wars or Pokemon. I feel like the demographic for Pokemon may have aged, almost everyone I see that cares about Pokemon are in their late 20s into their 30s.
It's not impossible for DP to be a gigantic hit, but being realistic, 300m would be a huge success. 500m would be eatth shaking. Less than 1B for TS4 would be almost a disaster by comparison.
The release date for DP seems almost suicide, the hype and discussion world around Avengers finale is going to be absolutely tremendous.
This was my exact thought.
TS4 trailer coming out and people keep talking about Pokémon.
TS4 trailer coming out and people keep talking about Pokémon.
