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Nintendo “wins” 12 Millions in lawsuit to ROM site
- Thread starter Pablo Mesa
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That's rather the point, they really don't; not in this day and age.
They seem to want to go the same route as the music industry and try to exude this iron grip on their IP's instead of becoming more open to a smarter, consumer-friendly distribution model.
And there exists an expiration date for when IP holders no longer wishes to make money, and the product is to be released into the public domain.
And we all know the expiration date is kept being moved further and further away as time passes on.
But but. My certain unknown niche game is important. Nintendo sucks.
Yeah sure. Like this whole rom sites is not thriving thanks to the big old classic or new title.
Do you really think potentially impacting a corporation's ownership or revenue generation ability does not negatively impact individual people?
That's a fair point but the problem is Nintendo takes forever (if they even release certain games) to get the software out.
Nintendo clearly isn't adverse to making money so I can't fathom what is behind their trickle strategy.
Maybe -- ideally, you rip the ROM from media you own, otherwise yah, it's illegal. I don't think everyone deserves to play old games for free; if you really want to play something, market price seems fair to me.
Where it becomes more of a moral grey area for me is the means and intent with which you acquire a ROM. Community based, boutique, non-profit and non-commercialized means seem ok to me - morally (which isn't to say they are legal). I'd still be ok if Nintendo decided to go after these endeavors since, legally, they can.
Commercial storefronts making money off advertising or other means I have zero tolerance for. I also don't see a problem with Nintendo or others going after projects that present a threat to IP.
Nintendo takes forever is such a bad reason to be okay with piracy.
U literally can. 1. Buy the original copies
2. Buy the VC on game that is released on older platform like 3ds or wii u.
3. Patiently waiting for it to be released on new platform like switch.
Suddenly moving to say piracy is okay because nintendo or company is slow is insane.
Just because their strategy is stupid doesn't mean you're in the right to pirate their games though. By all means, do not give them your money or reward them for the slow releases of their back catalog (I certainly haven't, at least not until Smash Ultimate comes out). Give someone else your money instead. Or just save it up.
Then it's their loss.
And that's still okay if they decide they don't want to get more money through that.
And sure, people can invariably find "other ways", just don't get surprised if that "other ways" are shut down.
User Banned (3 Days): Advocating Piracy
This isn't going to do anything to curb piracy and I am glad for it. The Rom scene is going to continue and there isn't a god damn thing Nintendo can do about it.
Nintendo has done a very poor job of making their full back catalog of software available.
I mean, look at Disney's vault strategy to see this mindset paying off. It makes the titles more special if they aren't always available.
Although now they will be slowly moving away from that with NSO.
My feeling towards nintendo have just crossed the 'indifference' line to go into plain hatred. I'm glad I've stopped caring about them when I turned 15, all their games can disappear from gaming history as much as I care, no big deal. I hope this get overturned in appeal
You should read my posts before you respond.
I never advocated for piracy.
My point is that Nintendo is not giving consumers a viable alternative, which means people will inevitably find other ways to play these games.
I've read elsewhere that even using your own ROM from your own copy isn't legal since it involves copying or altering the game or something. I don't know the truth of that.
The only real examples I can really think of are certain of Gamecube games and even those games can be readily found online without having to pay an arm and a leg.
Sure. And there should not be any outrage when nintendo shut down this piracy sites because this is all it is. Piracy sites. Advocating that piracy sites is doing this for preservation is disgusting as it belittle the one who did preservation properly.
Yes, within the DMCA US law you cannot legally produce copies for personal use.
Uh, Disney actually has a strategy in place and they rotate their films continuously.
I'd love for them to be like Disney.
Atlus published Cubivore in the west so I'm not too sure how that would work.
Intellectual property norms are also a choice, and they are certainly not justified. Of course, none of us plebs have a say in that choice as it's been forced upon us at literal gunpoint by the state. But these choices don't exist in a vacuum.
It's just sad how such a "progressive" forum is generally lighting quick to call ROM Kiddies parasites, but never hold any fire to corporations like Nintendo who profit from rent extraction 24/7 and have been forcibly rigging the economic/legal landscape to their favor since day 0. I wonder if all the "good" shitposters actually think about this beyond their tribal corporate fandom?
Nintendo absolutely has a strategy, and considering how much they make from their catalog titles, it has worked very well for them. Even if to you (and honestly to me sometimes) it's confusing.
Sarcasm. In my country at least, pretty much every museum has a 'no photos' sign, some temples do too, but I think that has to do with obnoxious tourists. If the property holder were to go bankrupt and no-one claims the property, or is in dispute, or out of copyright that is one thing. If I were to download a copy of a movie and were caught by the owners/police, I somehow don't think 'well, they may lose this movie sometime in the future so I'm just diligently preserving it, it has happened before don't you know?' will serve as a valid argument.
As to people complaining about Nintendo not releasing their back catalog. What? Which games are the leaving out? Pretty much every game has been released and re-released on multiple consoles.
I am talking about Era overeaction literally on the first page of this thread.
The idea is that they can and should offer the majority of their backlog on their current console. (At least the stuff that they produced and developed internally)
I mean, I can certainly go around and track down everything physically but that's decidedly difficult, time-consuming and potentially cost-prohibitive.
Nintendo is pretty good about their stuff outside of a scant few unlocalized games.
I think I'm pretty safe in saying that Nintendo will never release English translations of their Japanese only FE games. The only I'd ever be able to legally play those is with remakes, which of course isn't the same thing.
or the earlier "Advance Wars" games... but that's really a scant few titles considering they usually localize a lot.
If by strategy you mean dragging their feet on purpose and not releasing a plethora of software that would sell very well while releasing the same games over and over again at a snail's pace then yes, I guess that would qualify as some manner of strategy.
Regardless, I wouldn't compare that to what Disney is doing.
How can they re-release something that they never released? Anyway, it's not hard to get a hold of old FE games, after that it is up to you if you want to dump it and patch it or play it in the Japanese. (BTW, all the FE games are available on the eShop)
A win for Nintendo vs. ROMs! This should mildly soften the blow they've taken over the years by not selling them.
I don't see why Rom sites just don't host Nintendo ROMs. Keep everything else up for preservation sake. Literally no other company is fighting this war.
this poster was concerned if dumping and patching also violates copyright law (it probably does).
yep. it's cuz the Nintendo games give them the most hits and ad revenue.
Okay, play it in Japanese, like it exists.
I know it's getting said so often now that saying it has such little impact, but this isn't a progressive forum. It's not even the most progressive video game forum (that'd be Waypoint). The US is just so screwy that anything approaching the centre is considered "progressive", but that label's pretty nonsense to a lot of international posters.
We have a 600+ post thread up on the front page called "Media Create Sales: Week 44, 2018 (Oct 29 - Nov 04)". It shouldn't be a surprise that a lot of people on this US-centric site moralizes this issue the way they do, people are conditioned since birth to humanize corporations, picking favourites.
We can all agree that breaking the law is breaking the law. I just don't understand some of the outrage towards pirates, many of whom are poor people who believe me are not "lost sales", and how much applause there is towards a non-person asserting their ownership over the work of hundreds of people who were not (and never will be) paid their fair share of what that art is worth, while that company adds some more dough to their $4.6 billion war chest.
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I think that is what you'll see moving forward and that was probably Nintendo's desired outcome.
Which is fine.
Nintendo fucking sucks at how they handle their back catalog but they do have the right to defend it.
They probably will keep them less going forward, but Nintendo titles are easuly their biggest draw and losing them would likely mean losing a substantial portion of their ad revenue.
A few have. Emuparadise did for awhile before they took down their whole catalogue.
did you play the Super Famicom remake of DQIII? The PS1 remake of DQIV? The PS2 remake of DQV? Did you use the PC soundtrack mod for DQXI?
The story is important to me, and I'd rather be able to read it in the game, than have to follow along with the script outside the game.
Also I thought you couldn't access the Japanese eshop on the 3DS, I never owned a Wii U so I wouldn't know for that.
Sucks, while I have issue with pirating modern games / games that can be paid for and the creators receieve profit or credit for their work, taking down or affecting ways to get old games that have no actual other way to be accessed or even have ways for the creators to make money and credit bothers me. I fully think Nintendo should be able to go after places that distribute their stuff without permission, particularly if its newer or still in circulation, but as well as belonging to an active IP like Mario.
Like... so many of these companies and studios are shut down though, they are so old that used is the only way to get a real copy, and that money is not going to the company but the re-seller. I think the rights holders should be able to do what they want with their IP definitely and defend it in this case. But I can't really defend affecting games that have no distribution method or even owner at this point.
Like... so many of these companies and studios are shut down though, they are so old that used is the only way to get a real copy, and that money is not going to the company but the re-seller. I think the rights holders should be able to do what they want with their IP definitely and defend it in this case. But I can't really defend affecting games that have no distribution method or even owner at this point.
You say that "breaking the law is breaking the law", but then you try to defend breaking the law with arguments like "they're poor" and "they wouldn't have bought the game anyways" and insult the people who call them out for breaking the law.