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Todd Howard:"Starfield and Elder Scrolls 6 Will Not Get a New Graphics Engine " [update: inaccurate]
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Oh ok.
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As long as people keep buying it they will keep doing it end of story. Since Oblivion i found all bethesda games impossible to enjoy without mods. Art direction, animation, tech, gameplay mechanics and so on is so offputing i find it incredible how any of their games review and sell like they do.
It would be a dramatically greater undertaking to make a new engine from scratch than to update/modernize the parts of the engine that need to be updated/modernized. The latter certainly wouldn't be easy, but it would be the much smarter and less resource intensive thing to do.
With every one of these threads, people continue to expose their ignorance as to what a game engine really is.
Me too, and to think I was hoping that Elder Scrolls 6 on PS5 MIGHT just look as good as RDR2 on base PS4 & base Xbox One. How fucking silly I was.
Yep, it all starts with a stubborn decision.
Let's not forget Bethesda's game design and RPG design and story telling are getting worse as well, many fans are not very happy about FO4 and few would ever call it the best in the series.
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Hell, fumbling around in Gmod for 15 minutes will open your eyes to what something is truly capable of with enough time and effort. Was honestly an eye opening experience for me all those years back.
The original interview was posted here months ago. Of course, people were only interested in the excerpt about cross-platform play, despite that being the single smallest and least fleshed-out response in the entire interview.
Quoting for extra visibility, sigh of relief initiated...
We should have some kind of rule about posting proper sources in news threads, instead of having to follow through the article to find where the original quotes come from and realizing they've been through a handful of sites already and just as many editorial chops.
I've explained it so many times in the past, and instead we have pages and pages of pure emotional nonsense. All it would take is a tiny bit of research, a google search or two, to understand what a fucking game engine is, but no, here we are, again.
Your right but......
To be fair the industry did that to them selfs by being a black box of video game making magic for over 20 years.
I'm fine with that. They don't need to change engines to make better graphics/animation, Fallout 4 proved that.
Some parts in F4 looked great. And some animations on Piper also looked great.
The problem is that most animations were really bad and stiff.
Then there are the bugs, which can also be fixed without changing engines.
Actually, I personally love the engine. I think that the miscellaneous objects that can be interacted with physics, is such a cool thing, that can't be found in other games.
And the crazy mod support it allows for, which is something not many other engines allow.
Some parts in F4 looked great. And some animations on Piper also looked great.
The problem is that most animations were really bad and stiff.
Then there are the bugs, which can also be fixed without changing engines.
Actually, I personally love the engine. I think that the miscellaneous objects that can be interacted with physics, is such a cool thing, that can't be found in other games.
And the crazy mod support it allows for, which is something not many other engines allow.
Bomb as in selling gangbusters then I agree. Because people will eat this up regardless.
well no, in an age where you can download unreal engine 4 right now if you wanted to, there's no excuse for this ignorance anymore.
Hope fallout 76 gets burned by critics and players alike
Bethesda needs a wake up call about their shit
Bethesda needs a wake up call about their shit
Bethesda is starting to feel left behind, with games like The Witcher 3 and now Red Dead 2 pushing graphic fidelity without sacrificing gameplay variety or it's overall quality to favor presentation, they better up their game because Fallout 76 looks not up to par with the open world heavy hitters this gen.
To be fair, the "Bethesda uses the same engine for the past 15 years" meme isn't really helped by, well, Fallout 4 and 76 visibly sharing technical pedigree with Fallout 3.
I can only hope whatever iteration they're using for Starfield and TESVI will look considerably fresher.
Uh, Creation Engine =/ Graphics engine. There's no such thing as a graphics engine, but there's parts of an engine that output those graphics. The tools that output the graphics can replaced or upgraded for better ones, and that's exactly what Unreal and other engines that still have decades old coding do all the time.
"Me too, and to think I was hoping that Elder Scrolls 6 on PS5 MIGHT just look as good as RDR2 on base PS4 & base Xbox One."
Hilarious
"This will catch up with them eventually.
See: Telltale"
Even better
Hilarious
"This will catch up with them eventually.
See: Telltale"
Even better
If it's just a prettier layer on top of the same core, then I have a hard time saying yes given the history of Fallout 3\NV\4 and Elder Scrolls 3\4\5 being notoriously buggy and janky.
There's a reason every one of the games that uses this engine continues to be plagued by this stuff.
The core itself is broken in fundamental ways.
Yeah, I'm not worried about them being able to make the game look pretty. That's just one pipeline in the game engine. I'm worried about events\triggers\movement\physics\etc. The stuff that is bad about FO and ES.
huh? you just echoed what i said - that it's a big undertaking. where is the ignorance in that?
the point is - their engine is already outdated last-gen, let alone this gen and the next. Just look at Fallout 76 and the game speed being tied to the amount of objects rendered on the screen. this isn't 1998.
Very fair point, and some game companies are still run by people who believe in secrecy above all else, but if you care enough to spend your spare time on gaming forums, you could at least watch a couple of GDC talks.
This is like saying R* have used the same engine since 2006, it literally means nothing as in-house engines get massive upgrades.
I think this is the proper quote, Forbes had it on their site.
You can hear him about 21mins in this video but there's a German interpreter talking over him
https://www.gamestar.de/videos/fall...ei-fallout-3-gamestar-tv-fuer-alle,96653.html
I can't find the original English video.
You can hear him about 21mins in this video but there's a German interpreter talking over him
https://www.gamestar.de/videos/fall...ei-fallout-3-gamestar-tv-fuer-alle,96653.html
I can't find the original English video.
NOW? yes from 1985 to 2014 not so much.
Ads in the '90s were literately saying "Lets check out how the makers of Mario create their magic" etc.
Also its not on the end consumer to download a game engine to understand how games are made.
Even for enthusiast like us.
RDR2 doesn't even attempt to do what Bethesda's games do, and that's not even a knock on the game. They are just completely different from a design and scope standpoint.
It was one of many reasons for sure. But the topic at hand is game engines, and people stopped caring about their games and buying them because they were the same engine and gameplay template over and over.
That is exactly what Oblivion, Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas, Skyrim, Fallout 4 and Fallout 76 are. Same engine, same gameplay template, very little changes and innovation. Their output this generation is not EVEN CLOSE to last gen too in both quantity and quality.
Don't worry, once BGS hears the response to this, they'll give Creation a new name and market it as basically new.
Again.
Again.
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