That's not what this thread is about though.
You're talking about the control scheme.
BTW, I find tapping x to run way less annoying than holding options to bring up the map instead of clicking the touch pad like in every other game on the planet.
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EA Motive's Dan Lowe compares the input response times of RDR2 with Uncharted, Assassin's Creed etc
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That's not what this thread is about though.
You're talking about the control scheme.
BTW, I find tapping x to run way less annoying than holding options to bring up the map instead of clicking the touch pad like in every other game on the planet.
You know, I would say "interesting," but I don't actually care, so I won't pretend to. Destiny 2 might be the most responsive game in the world with the least input lag, but it isn't actually very fun to play. I really tried when they gave it away for free to me, twice. I even played it at 144hz on PC. It just felt like bullet sponges in generic sci-fi corridors. Meanwhile Red Dead is a blast to play and I'm having great fun with it.
Yeah, this is pretty annoying. There are two or three separate issues here, and people keep conflating them.
First, there is the pure input lag which this thread is originally about. No settings will fix this, it's engine-induced and probably the result of an overly long rendering pipeline. There's no real excuse for this.
Secondly, the controls kind of suck. Every damn action is a "hold", Arthur is a lumbering tank of a man, the default deadzone and acceleration settings are insanely bad, etc. The impact of this can be lessened by some settings, but no settings will ever fix the previously mentioned input lag.
Lastly, the game is just designed to be slow and to constantly inconvenience the player in the name of immersion, with excruciatingly slow animations for everything that could easily be set at double speed without looking weird. This I can kind of buy as a design choice, even if I disagree with it.
Eh if anything I mean that its relevant and you don't really need a long treatise on why responsiveness is important.
Can't disagree with any of this, even though I'm enjoying the game for the most part. It can make the game feel overly clunky and cumbersome, even outside of the general lag input issues, and overall just makes the mechanics feel dated. Like I said, I think their saving grace might have been the game and world they built around it. Like you spend most of your time walking, jogging, or riding a horse. Mostly in straight lines. Most gun fights are fairly linear and straight forward. Whether by design or sheer luck, the design of the world and game they built around these controls and mechanics sort of helps to minimize the negative impact, at least for me.
Yeah, Rockstar games have always kind of felt like trying to control a game but your controller is inside a jar of peanut butter.
Haven't you heard? It's a feature and not for everyone and would not work in any other game.
Edit: All in all, I do like this game but some shit really sucks about it, RDR1 is in my GOAT top 10 but fandom... is a helluva drug for some.
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Not excusing anything but it seems the input lag is at its worst when moving from a compete stop.
Any changes to direction once moving seem much less laggy. This makes me think it is intentional (as crappy as that is)
Any changes to direction once moving seem much less laggy. This makes me think it is intentional (as crappy as that is)
And Killzone 2 released nearly 10 years ago. Let that sink in.
Ok that's why the aiming is Bad. Feels like he is he is dual wielding 2 sniper rifles instead of revolvers. I need to play around in settings hopefully it can be somewhat better
I've covered this before, but it probably isn't so much more responsive as you think.
The animations are just so detailed and fluid that they mask the input lag and the actual state changes.
This is why these tests tend to use complete stop -> walk as their baseline for any game.
If you tried to do the same test with Arthur changing direction while sprinting, it is a lot harder to pinpoint where one animation starts and one animation ends.
Not impossible mind you, but not quite as easy to do with normal equipment like this person is using.
Isn't this just a technical 'cover up' to render frames correctly? Game is probably quite demanding.
Uncharted 3 was even worse. I'm glad they fixed the response for the multiplayer.
Would love to see DF tackle this. Ideally, I'd love to see them actually look into Uncharted more as well. There is definitely a noticeable difference between combat state and traversal state in terms of input lag.
Don't know if it's the same with TLOU though.
The didnt. There strong points as a dev team are not gameplay though , that's obvious.
In the 90's we had a gameshow that was kids phoning in and then 'playing' Sonic by giving directions to the host.
Millions of people playing GTAV, GTA:O, RDR2 and soon RD:O disagree with you.
Jesus, his follow-up tweet is even worse. This guy's a fucking ass, if I worked at Naughty Dog I'd be ashamed.
There's multiple other developers in the thread backing this take as well.
Millions of people probably also thought Transformers 2 was the pinnacle of cinema.
Something being popular doesn't mean it doesn't still have room to improve.
Those people would still enjoy the game if it was improved upon, but it would also improve the experience for people who are more critical of the
responsiveness.
This is what all of Rockstar's games are like and have been since forever.
Rockstar do not care about the actual gameplay of their games, their games sell purely based on their theme and production values. The quality of the gameplay in their games is a tertiary concern at best.
Rockstar do not care about the actual gameplay of their games, their games sell purely based on their theme and production values. The quality of the gameplay in their games is a tertiary concern at best.
No way it is intentional. Seems more a limit of their engine to me.
Let me see if this response also works when you don't like a game millions of people like:
Or does "this is my opinion" only work when you have to defend input lag?
If what you say is true then that is really dodgy, but I expect it to be completely overlooked and pages of people complaining.
I would like to see it compared with the actual shooting.
Holy shit just watched the video. Yes this is in relation to Arthur moving from a complete stand still.
I would see the latest Tomb Raider games as well... they feel so bad in their controls, especially since RotTR. Maybe it's just the abysmal deadzone, but it feels worse than RDR, TW3 and the like where the character at least starts to move when you push the stick.
And not hitting any possible object in a room! He is so clumsy in interiors.
So an animator at Naughty dog is praising Red dead 2's anaimation?
What's the point to defend such stuff? No one here talked about of the quality of their games. It's a big problem such input latency.
It would be useful to see how the input lag varies between platforms too - as it often does. Eg RotTR has less lag on PS4, Mega Man 11 has less lag on XBO.
Yeah, coming off Spider-man it feels especially sluggish. To be honest, I just don't think the combat mechanics are that good in RDR2 from what I have played...But I am not too concerned, its strengths lie elsewhere. This is a Wild West simulator with a ton of character. But yeah, it is far from the best shooter and the responsiveness plays a role in that.
Fallout, Elder scroll have mediocre Gameplay and millions players, that means nothing.