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Well of course Philly won't say
'Our store is shit, you'll eat it and you'll like it'

Of course not, but this was a planned 'announcement' during the show, and not a random interview it came up in. He said it unprompted, which I think means that it's not just hot air. He could easily have just said nothing and not put that expectation from fans on him, but the fact that he did (imo) shows he plans to follow through.
 

itchi

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Windows development recently completely changed orgs within Microsoft. I guess it is possible Phill managed to get far more control over the store in that changeup.
 

potatohead

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Phil Spencer was promoted a year ago in terms of reporting directly to Nadella, and Microsoft was restructured with Myerson being pushed out of his role in March. How quickly do you think sweeping changes happen?
Hopefully faster than never

And knowing how much capital they have and their ability to buy studios quickly surely they can move faster on pc front

You're asking pc players to hold their breath another month or year or however long we've already been doing that

Don't casually ignore the context of how much failure has happened on pc just statements about how important pc are with no plans still in sight is not defensible

I hope it is something but again let's see something or anything first
 

Chettlar

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The fact that he couldn't even give some sort of time frame as to when we'd hear more is incredibly frustrating and makes it sound like it's a long, long way off.

And boy that KB+M announcement yesterday was a whole bunch of nothing. Teasing a Razer keyboard reveal, then actually only teasing it again for next year.

No PC games ported over to Xbox One to take advantage of KB+M, no Age of Empires, no Rise of Nations.

And for pc gamers there was nothing too. If you are going to talk about Xbox as a platform (Xbox, pc and streaming) you should pay attention to ALL your customers. Where is Gamepass for PC? Where was Age of Empires 4 or even the 2 & 3 remakes? Where was Gears Tactics…

Only thing we got was another mention from Phil that the store sucks. We know.

This as well. The more I think about it the more annoyed I am.

For wanting to show their commitment to PC gaming, frankly they are doing a horrible job.

And man I've been so patient too, but the frustration is getting to me too.
 

gozu

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Microsoft needs to show some proper fucking respect to Sony first party studios because I frankly couldn't give a rat's ass about 90% of Microsoft's "marquee" IPs. Gears of Wars? Yawn. Halo? Yawn. Forza? Yawn yawn yawn. Crackdown? Does it still exist? Ryse? Lol.

I think there was maybe 3 xbox exclusives that appealed to me.Killer Instinct, Quantum Break and Sunset Overdrive. That's it.

That is not enough. Where is God of War? Where is Uncharted? Where is Spiderman? Where is Tlou? Where is Detroit? Bloodborne? Horizon Zero Dawn?

Why did I sell my Xbone mid-gen? I've never done THAT before in my 3 decades as a console gamer. I've always owned all the consoles in my adulthood.

That's how badly Microsoft has fucked up. And I still don't think they've learned their damn lesson.
 

Jaypah

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Microsoft needs to show some proper fucking respect to Sony first party studios because I frankly couldn't give a rat's ass about 90% of Microsoft's "marquee" IPs. Gears of Wars? Yawn. Halo? Yawn. Forza? Yawn yawn yawn. Crackdown? Does it still exist? Ryse? Lol.

I think there was maybe 3 xbox exclusives that appealed to me.Killer Instinct, Quantum Break and Sunset Overdrive. That's it.

That is not enough. Where is God of War? Where is Uncharted? Where is Spiderman? Where is Tlou? Where is Detroit? Bloodborne? Horizon Zero Dawn?

Why did I sell my Xbone mid-gen? I've never done THAT before in my 3 decades as a console gamer. I've always owned all the consoles in my adulthood.

That's how badly Microsoft has fucked up. And I still don't think they've learned their damn lesson.

We are through the looking glass people.

Anyway, make the store better and I'll use it. Don't and I won't. Simple as that. I don't have the time to crusade against every product that I don't deem worthy of my time/money.
 

Dega

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Microsoft needs to show some proper fucking respect to Sony first party studios because I frankly couldn't give a rat's ass about 90% of Microsoft's "marquee" IPs. Gears of Wars? Yawn. Halo? Yawn. Forza? Yawn yawn yawn. Crackdown? Does it still exist? Ryse? Lol.

I think there was maybe 3 xbox exclusives that appealed to me.Killer Instinct, Quantum Break and Sunset Overdrive. That's it.

That is not enough. Where is God of War? Where is Uncharted? Where is Spiderman? Where is Tlou? Where is Detroit? Bloodborne? Horizon Zero Dawn?

Why did I sell my Xbone mid-gen? I've never done THAT before in my 3 decades as a console gamer. I've always owned all the consoles in my adulthood.

That's how badly Microsoft has fucked up. And I still don't think they've learned their damn lesson.
Okay? lol

Plenty do like those and believe it or not plenty don't like what you like either.
 

GameZone

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Sure, how much time do you need this time, Phil?

2016 February - Microsoft promises to improve the Windows Store.

https://www.pcgamer.com/microsoft-promises-to-improve-the-windows-store/

2016 April - Phil Spencer promises Windows Store launches will improve.

https://www.eteknix.com/phil-spencer-promises-windows-store-launches-will-improve/

2017 June - Phil Spencer: We have to work to go do do on improving the Windows Store.

https://www.pcgamer.com/phil-spence...-to-go-do-on-improving-the-windows-store-uwp/

2018 - Phil Spencer: I`m taking a bigger role into making Windows Store tailored towards gamers.

To Be Continued.



 

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Of course not, but this was a planned 'announcement' during the show, and not a random interview it came up in. He said it unprompted, which I think means that it's not just hot air. He could easily have just said nothing and not put that expectation from fans on him, but the fact that he did (imo) shows he plans to follow through.
it is pretty funny though that at this big event with all kinds of announcements he gave no solid details and just basically made vague intimations at wanting to fix their awful failure of a store

like even if you think he's going to 100% deliver this probably means anything concrete is months away if not a year or more
 

Sou Da

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Microsoft needs to show some proper fucking respect to Sony first party studios because I frankly couldn't give a rat's ass about 90% of Microsoft's "marquee" IPs. Gears of Wars? Yawn. Halo? Yawn. Forza? Yawn yawn yawn. Crackdown? Does it still exist? Ryse? Lol.

I think there was maybe 3 xbox exclusives that appealed to me.Killer Instinct, Quantum Break and Sunset Overdrive. That's it.

That is not enough. Where is God of War? Where is Uncharted? Where is Spiderman? Where is Tlou? Where is Detroit? Bloodborne? Horizon Zero Dawn?

Why did I sell my Xbone mid-gen? I've never done THAT before in my 3 decades as a console gamer. I've always owned all the consoles in my adulthood.

That's how badly Microsoft has fucked up. And I still don't think they've learned their damn lesson.
copypasta tier.
 

Mifec

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Microsoft needs to show some proper fucking respect to Sony first party studios because I frankly couldn't give a rat's ass about 90% of Microsoft's "marquee" IPs. Gears of Wars? Yawn. Halo? Yawn. Forza? Yawn yawn yawn. Crackdown? Does it still exist? Ryse? Lol.

I think there was maybe 3 xbox exclusives that appealed to me.Killer Instinct, Quantum Break and Sunset Overdrive. That's it.

That is not enough. Where is God of War? Where is Uncharted? Where is Spiderman? Where is Tlou? Where is Detroit? Bloodborne? Horizon Zero Dawn?

Why did I sell my Xbone mid-gen? I've never done THAT before in my 3 decades as a console gamer. I've always owned all the consoles in my adulthood.

That's how badly Microsoft has fucked up. And I still don't think they've learned their damn lesson.
Thanks for the pasta.
 

mephixto

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I remember a few years ago a list with MS promises for PC, I think we need to add another entry
 

Chettlar

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Um. Dude. What about when he said the same thing at E3? And last year?

What exactly are we waiting for?

Is it going to get another 6 months before he says it yet again? Because there are a lot of of people who would love to take that bet with you.

If you're so sure, give a reasonable amount of time you think we should wait before seeing a solid plan if action.

Because if yet another 6 months go by and we still haven't seen anything then no, he is not trustworthy here. Straight up. Any person can say "hey we're totally going to do this!" and eventually do it two years later. That doesn't mean you're trustworthy.
 

OneBadMutha

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Um. Dude. What about when he said the same thing at E3? And last year?

What exactly are we waiting for?

Is it going to get another 6 months before he says it yet again? Because there are a lot of of people who would love to take that bet with you.

If you're so sure, give a reasonable amount of time you think we should wait before seeing a solid plan if action.

Because if yet another 6 months go by and we still haven't seen anything then no, he is not trustworthy here. Straight up. Any person can say "hey we're totally going to do this!" and eventually do it two years later. That doesn't mean you're trustworthy.

These were the same things people were saying about 1st party last year. It does take time. Doesn't mean they were lying. Can't build games overnight and can't overhaul a platform overnight. I'd expect the transformation to take place in increments over the course of a few years. It took Microsoft 3 years to get the Xbox platform back to respectable despite consistent communication with the customers and multiple updates. It had taken 4 years to get screenshots to work on Xbox. Hopefully the additional financial resources speed up the PC process but it's not going to be fixed in 6 months. If that's the bar, then forget it. Thing is most of the games they're developing aren't going to be ready for 2 to 5 years anyways.
 

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I think we are seeing some effect... just in the past few months they added carts, wish lists, and gifting.
I don't disagree that that shit should have been in since the start, but at least it's here now.

I wouldn't be surprised if games are one of the big drivers in the windows store... which allowed xbox to gain leverage internally, pushing their own objectives.
Microsoft is a monolith, no change will happen fast, and I doubt that people will ever see the complete reversal of policy and practice that they want, but I'm willing to believe that Phils team is making an effort.


I was listening to the Bombcast this week and Brad and Jeff were talking about the pre-windows days of trying to get games running on DOS, and incompatibility with different sound card drivers, and building boot discs to free sufficient room... I know people here have a raging erection against Microsoft, but gaming has become a fucktonne better since windows.
 

Daebo

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Microsoft needs to show some proper fucking respect to Sony first party studios because I frankly couldn't give a rat's ass about 90% of Microsoft's "marquee" IPs. Gears of Wars? Yawn. Halo? Yawn. Forza? Yawn yawn yawn. Crackdown? Does it still exist? Ryse? Lol.

I think there was maybe 3 xbox exclusives that appealed to me.Killer Instinct, Quantum Break and Sunset Overdrive. That's it.

That is not enough. Where is God of War? Where is Uncharted? Where is Spiderman? Where is Tlou? Where is Detroit? Bloodborne? Horizon Zero Dawn?

Why did I sell my Xbone mid-gen? I've never done THAT before in my 3 decades as a console gamer. I've always owned all the consoles in my adulthood.

That's how badly Microsoft has fucked up. And I still don't think they've learned their damn lesson.

Lol what does any of this have to do with the windows store?

Edit _ was I played?
 

Chettlar

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I need to ask a question. A serious one because I don't game on my recently bought PC a hell of a lot and I have all the major launchers on there.

Back when I first got my PC I definitely had some issues on the Windows Store. Downloads not resuming, downloads not starting, downloads inexplicably stopping and not starting, or just restarting all over again.

But I keep seeing words like "broken" thrown around with such ease and I have to wonder if people are A) Actually using PCs B) Have update their PC in a while.

As I said earlier, I don't use my PC a hell of a lot, but when I do happen to use the Windows Store now it seems to do it's job? I start a download....it downloads just like any other app store.

Am I missing something?

In 2018, with all the updates and such, the store seems to be at the very least functional. Some of the responses in this thread you would think it's in exactly the same shape it was in 2 years ago or something which just makes me wonder whether people are actually using it or not.

Dude, you are better than this. Quit trying to invalidate other people's experiences because "it works for me hue hue." .We have literally had to have mods warn people they will start handing out bans for "it works for me" posts in Windows 10 store threads.

Of COURSE it works for you. It works for many people. No one would purchase windows games if they didn't work for anyone at all. Like. Duh dude.

That doesn't mean there aren't a gigantic number or people for whom it doesn't work.

Every time there's a thread on this people carefully document the ridiculous lengths they go to to get stuff working, or sometimes, not working at all. Like seriously that's it for them. The product just flat doesn't work. I have never heard of a steam game that physically could not work with no recourse for someone even 3rd party options. But this is something that has happened to a significant amount of people.

The amount of times I have had to reinstall Gears of War 4 for issues ranging from certain objects just....not being installed, to UI elements being missing, to multiplayer flat out not working, and the issues I had with graphics despite meeting the system requirements easily, and the amount of time I spend messing with Xbox Live trying to get co-op to work, to crashes and crashes and crashes, to the game just not loading and instead hanging on spash screen, to the main menu being more sluggish than if I was running it on a 2003 laptop, like. It's almost more time than I've spent playing the game, and it's only contributed to my lack of desire to play it.

Every time I have downloaded a demo, yes even recently, I have had to do so, from scratch, at least three times. Every time I've tried a full game I do not know whether I'll just get it hanging on splash screen. This still happens.

My library repeatedly will act like I don't own something. I've been kicked out if games like Gears 4 for not owning a license supposedly. One day less than a year ago it did it repeatedly so I just quit playing the game. Recently I looked and certain things werent in my library. I tried to download ilomilo which it said on the store page I owned, but when I did so it tried to sell it to me. No amount of hacks to reset the store made it work so eventually I just gave up. I have never had to wrestle this much with a store.

People are having instances where they have to straight up reinstall windows and for some THAT doesn't work.

Dude. The store is horrible. And I'm tired of seeing people try to downplay it because it worked for them.

Of COURSE it works for some people, dude.
 

MCD

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The only way to make the store better is to remove Xbox games from there and either start all over again with a new client or just surrender to Steam.

The choice is yours, MS.
 

Chettlar

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Of course not, but this was a planned 'announcement' during the show, and not a random interview it came up in. He said it unprompted, which I think means that it's not just hot air. He could easily have just said nothing and not put that expectation from fans on him, but the fact that he did (imo) shows he plans to follow through.

Except no. He did not make an announcement. What did he announce? He said the store needs to be better. Cool. So, what exactly is going to change?

Like seriously, what a great "announcement." He said utterly nothing here.

I'll consider it an announcement when we have at very least, like, I dunno, an announcement of an announcement. Like. Dude even say when we'll hear more details. I'm not even asking for a solid date. Just like, some general time frame frame for that. He couldn't manage that ffs. He said utterly nothing. What does "better" mean? There is no announcement here.
 

Chettlar

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These were the same things people were saying about 1st party last year. It does take time. Doesn't mean they were lying. Can't build games overnight and can't overhaul a platform overnight. I'd expect the transformation to take place in increments over the course of a few years. It took Microsoft 3 years to get the Xbox platform back to respectable despite consistent communication with the customers and multiple updates. It had taken 4 years to get screenshots to work on Xbox. Hopefully the additional financial resources speed up the PC process but it's not going to be fixed in 6 months. If that's the bar, then forget it. Thing is most of the games they're developing aren't going to be ready for 2 to 5 years anyways.

Right but there's the other side of the coin.

Last time Phil Spencer talked, skepticism was expressed, and people like you are now came in and we're like, look at how he's fixing Xbox. He'll do it here too.

And the time before that same thing.

No one is asking for overnight. But at very, very, very generously least it's been 6 months of NOTHING. And literally all he did was repeat what he said last time. And the time before. He couldn't even define what "better" means.

What exactly am I looking forward to? How long is enough? Another two years? Are you going to be saying the same thing you said 6 months ago? And a year ago?

I'm not asking for it to be fixed in 6 months.

You are literally using 4 years an example. FOUR YEARS?? In what world is half that acceptable? This is like the richest software company in the world, and I am expected to wait an entire, idk year and a half for an acceptable online store and client? Wtf?

No that is not acceptable.

At very least between E3 and now he could have like, had some idea when we might hear about store improvements. He could have had some idea as to what he even would define as "better.". And he couldn't even do anything remotely like that.
 

entremet

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I don't even use the store for games, but apps, and it's a nightmare there. I could only imagine games, which are much more complex.
 

gozu

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Lol what does any of this have to do with the windows store?

Can't put great games in the Windows Store if you don't make great games to begin with.
And this gives us Arrogant Sony back. I blame Microsoft for this

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demosthenes

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I've lost track the amount of times Microsoft has said this. Nobody should buy this. I don't care how genuine Phil has seemed to be. Let Microsoft produce. Let them prove people wrong.
 

RestEerie

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this is like the 6th or 7th time a MS Exec said they are gonna fix the 'PC gaming' mess that they created themselves.
 

Gundam

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Microsoft needs to show some proper fucking respect to Sony first party studios because I frankly couldn't give a rat's ass about 90% of Microsoft's "marquee" IPs. Gears of Wars? Yawn. Halo? Yawn. Forza? Yawn yawn yawn. Crackdown? Does it still exist? Ryse? Lol.

I think there was maybe 3 xbox exclusives that appealed to me.Killer Instinct, Quantum Break and Sunset Overdrive. That's it.

That is not enough. Where is God of War? Where is Uncharted? Where is Spiderman? Where is Tlou? Where is Detroit? Bloodborne? Horizon Zero Dawn?

Why did I sell my Xbone mid-gen? I've never done THAT before in my 3 decades as a console gamer. I've always owned all the consoles in my adulthood.

That's how badly Microsoft has fucked up. And I still don't think they've learned their damn lesson.

Uh... Wrong thread?
 

OneBadMutha

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Right but there's the other side of the coin.

Last time Phil Spencer talked, skepticism was expressed, and people like you are now came in and we're like, look at how he's fixing Xbox. He'll do it here too.

And the time before that same thing.

No one is asking for overnight. But at very, very, very generously least it's been 6 months of NOTHING. And literally all he did was repeat what he said last time. And the time before. He couldn't even define what "better" means.

What exactly am I looking forward to? How long is enough? Another two years? Are you going to be saying the same thing you said 6 months ago? And a year ago?

I'm not asking for it to be fixed in 6 months.

You are literally using 4 years an example. FOUR YEARS?? In what world is half that acceptable? This is like the richest software company in the world, and I am expected to wait an entire, idk year and a half for an acceptable online store and client? Wtf?

No that is not acceptable.

At very least between E3 and now he could have like, had some idea when we might hear about store improvements. He could have had some idea as to what he even would define as "better.". And he couldn't even do anything remotely like that.

The restructure and investment in Xbox started in September of 2017. That's when Spencer was promoted. When Nadella turned up the budget for Xbox. Since then, Xbox has evolved fast relative to what I'd expect from a large corporation. Windows Store was under the Windows team. This is the first time we've heard Spencer say he's got a say in Windows Store.

Corporations move slow. Seems like Spencer's teams have moved quickly once he gained budget and autonomy. Microsoft gaming was a ship with many holes in it. They had to focus on consoles before moving to PC for the sake of retaining their current customers.
 

OneBadMutha

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It's already on PC, so I don't know what they mean by this. The store also doesn't have enough third party games to make it worth while.

It's not really on PC. PC gamers are subscribing to the console service and taking advantage of cross-purchase/cross-play. It's not the full service tailored to PC gamers. That's coming. Along with Age of Empires and Gears Tactics. If gamers can't see how the focus on PC is different, not sure what to tell them. Guess we'll just have to wait.
 

GameZone

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It's not really on PC. PC gamers are subscribing to the console service and taking advantage of cross-purchase/cross-play. It's not the full service tailored to PC gamers. That's coming. Along with Age of Empires and Gears Tactics. If gamers can't see how the focus on PC is different, not sure what to tell them. Guess we'll just have to wait.

But as I said, Windows Store doesn't have enough third party games to support true Gamepass on PC.
 

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Gamepass coming to PC and they just bought two PC centric studios. They kinda have to fix it.

They've been realising their first party games on store for years. Third party publishers wasted their time in releasing AAA games on the store years ago (and since haven't returned with newer games).

They have "had" to fix it for quite some time now.

Microsoft needs to show some proper fucking respect to Sony first party studios because I frankly couldn't give a rat's ass about 90% of Microsoft's "marquee" IPs. Gears of Wars? Yawn. Halo? Yawn. Forza? Yawn yawn yawn. Crackdown? Does it still exist? Ryse? Lol.

I think there was maybe 3 xbox exclusives that appealed to me.Killer Instinct, Quantum Break and Sunset Overdrive. That's it.

That is not enough. Where is God of War? Where is Uncharted? Where is Spiderman? Where is Tlou? Where is Detroit? Bloodborne? Horizon Zero Dawn?

Why did I sell my Xbone mid-gen? I've never done THAT before in my 3 decades as a console gamer. I've always owned all the consoles in my adulthood.

That's how badly Microsoft has fucked up. And I still don't think they've learned their damn lesson.

You know what, I'm sick of people using these UWP/Windows Store threads as a vessel to console war. It adds nothing to the discussion.
 

Gundam

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I just want a UI that doesnt suck ass. Downloads are still slow but at least they work now. Couldn't give a damn about UWP.
 

Chettlar

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The restructure and investment in Xbox started in September of 2017. That's when Spencer was promoted. When Nadella turned up the budget for Xbox. Since then, Xbox has evolved fast relative to what I'd expect from a large corporation. Windows Store was under the Windows team. This is the first time we've heard Spencer say he's got a say in Windows Store.

Corporations move slow. Seems like Spencer's teams have moved quickly once he gained budget and autonomy. Microsoft gaming was a ship with many holes in it. They had to focus on consoles before moving to PC for the sake of retaining their current customers.

Phil Spencer specifically said they would do something and had to do something about Windows Store, at E3.
 

SmAsH

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Microsoft's response has not had a stellar track record when it comes to their "promises":

Credit to Angelus Errare

I'm sure there has been more since 2013 as well. At the end of the day it all comes down to their actions and not their words. Too many times have they failed or made a blunder to take them seriously.
 

ChrisJSY

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Seems the talk of how bad the windows 10 store is, is a bit overblown on this forum.

You just need a little self concious thought to answer that statement.
A single, anecdotal experience does not make it the case for everyone.

There is a decade (and less for the win 10 version) of their platform for delivering games and how shit it is.
If that's not enough, I don't know what to tell you.

The inability for people to understand "it works for me" doesn't mean it's a good product is amazing.
The same goes for people who have one bad experience with a product.
The one thing that'll trump both of those is years and years and years of the same experience and then you might have an argument; which people do about this.

Not a hard concept, people have linked the proof - the denial from some people is on the worrying side.
 

OneBadMutha

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Phil Spencer specifically said they would do something and had to do something about Windows Store, at E3.

You are correct. That was only a few months ago. As someone who works in technology, I can tell you even with a massive budget and all hands on deck, you aren't transforming a damned thing on a massive platform in a few months. There are many steps to the process and people to involve. Planning, execution and testing is a long process even with massive effort and focus.

If they started right at E3, I'd be impressed if there were any significant results before the end of 2019. Not saying they couldn't beat that time frame. I'm saying it's going to be difficult. Maybe they started earlier than we know?

Either way, we're not seeing a ton of Microsoft exclusive games before 2020. As long as they beat Halo Infinite with a respectable PC platform, they'll be fine with their strategy. In the intermediate, I get why PC gamers are sick of the store but I'm sure everyone will be fine until then.
 

OneBadMutha

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Microsoft's response has not had a stellar track record when it comes to their "promises":

Credit to Angelus Errare

I'm sure there has been more since 2013 as well. At the end of the day it all comes down to their actions and not their words. Too many times have they failed or made a blunder to take them seriously.

That was a lot of work to present irrelevant information. All that was under the Ballmer/Myerson. They were in charge. At that point in time, the only purpose of considering gaming on PC was to help Windows. Hence the shit store.

Corporations are not people. Strategies and credibility change depending on who's in charge. In 2017, things got a lot more serious on the gaming front at Microsoft. Before that, major investors and Myerson saw no value in the industry.