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Lukas Taves

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Oct 28, 2017
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Well I mean he hasn't delivered on first party yet right? Sure they bought a shitload of studios, hopefully that materializes into some sweet ass games.
Which is why I said it in the present. Sure the games haven't come out yet, but it's undeniable they are in a much better shape regarding their studios now.

And also, the extra time they allowed Crackdown truly made a difference, and having Ms giving the time for the game for shine is a nice change compared to some of their past releases (SoD2, Recore specially)
 

OneBadMutha

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Nov 2, 2017
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They are getting dominated in the console space by Sony and Nintendo and PC gamers still don't want anything to do with their eco system.

What's the point of this statement? Gaming is healthy and they are investing in content while lowering barriers for consumers to access that content in the future. Which place they're in moving plastic really doesn't matter. There will be investments in all platforms that Xbox games and services will be accessible on. It's a different paradigm for gaming now vs the past at Microsoft.
 

GhostTrick

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Oct 25, 2017
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No need to try. No one cares or want their Windows Store and UWP crap.
 

E.T.

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Oct 25, 2017
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Next generation can be amazing for Xbox if Phil can push forward his vision because this generation has to have been the worst Xbox generation in regards to their first party output and quality which in of itself is no small feat.
 

E.T.

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Oct 25, 2017
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The windows store improving would be a great alternative to it not improving.
 

TheMadTitan

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Oct 27, 2017
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That improvement should include BC and an Xbone style desktop interface for game launching.

And with plugins so people can monitor their Steam and other launcher stuff through said Xbox desktop thingy.
 

Lilalaunebaer

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Oct 27, 2017
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Lose UWP, fix stability, make good offers, broad your library, make a functional ui, disconnect it from OS, stop building a walled garden and we 're game.

Okay Spencer, go ahead. Show us that you actually care about PC gaming and take a good look at Steam and other popular game stores on PC.

Your to-do list:

- no more encrypted games, we need full file access
- mod support without monetization
- a decent in-game overlay for online interactions
- full compatibility with tools that PC gamers want to use (RTSS, Reshade etc)
- worldwide game prices that are on par with other PC stores instead of console
- decent discounts that aren't behind the Xbox Live Gold paywall
- support for DRM free games
- allow devs to generate free game keys, so that Windows Store games can be bought in competing 3rd party keystores
- universal controller support (including Steam controller)

Good luck Phil! :)

Yeah, i´m with those two.

As long as all those issues exist, i don´t really care about their games being on PC. They literally have no value to me. Forza Horizon 4 existing as this weird app uwp abomination, where i can´t access the files, can´t use software to interact with it, mod, or even just count on it being able to download has no value to me. It might as well not have come to PC.

For close to 2 decades now, Microsoft has either been negligent or straight up a threat to pc gaming (gfwl and their uwp/w10 walled garden approach).

So i don´t care that Phil is paying lipservice to me, he´s been doing it for a few years now. I don´t care that he´s actually in charge now to improve things. At least allegedly, since that would mean he´s been lying the last few years (which honestly, pc gamers knew anyway).

And whatever he´s done with xbox, i don´t care. They made a mid gen upgrade - so? Nintendo been doing them since forever for their handhelds, Sony made one too. I don´t see what´s special about it.
Game pass - a sub to rent games. cool i guess?
Expanded/bought studios. Just good business if you want to make more games. Don´t know how that makes him some kind of saviour. It´s what companies do. Ubisoft do it, EA do it (and shut them again to be fair lol), everyone does it.

And no, i´m not a Steam only or gtfo pc gamer. I have games on gog, steam, uplay etc. I just want something that works and is gives me pc games.

Nothing, to me as primarely a pc gamer, has impressed me or given me confidence in either MS or Phil so far.

So hey, go ahead and prove me wrong, i would love to see it.
 
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Some people here are so weird. Doesnt matter to them what Spencer says positive and negative. Even if he delivered on most he has promised. Studio's, Gamepass, BC, Mouse and keyboard, Crossplay, Xbox One X etc.
Sure will see when we see it. But he deserved some benefit of the doubt. But i dont think i will see it in this thread.

Edit: I am not talking about MS i am talking about Spencer. Please read.
Isnt anymore about the benefit of the doubt

He delivered on every front ...period
 

RedRum

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sorry, but the store on Xbox is also shit. (But to a lesser degree). On a One X it is a dreadful thing to use.

I'll agree with you here. I can't fathom for the like of me how the rest of the UI moves fairly fast with me, but when I get to the store it's so laggy and fucking convoluted. I have long since just used the website to buy what I need to buy.
 

Deleted member 5028

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Oct 25, 2017
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They should trust him even less then, if he's so inexperienced with PC OS development
Jesus this is an odd attitude to promote.

He's not going to be designing anything.
He's not going to be coding anything.
What he will do is surround himself with the best people with the skills to do those things and bring his leadership skills to the table.
He was only promoted to EVP this year, so he has more power to do these things now. He didn't before.
 

Lukas Taves

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Oct 28, 2017
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People have been posting articles of him promising better PC support going back as far as early 2015. When exactly is it ok to criticize Phil for talking and not delivering? Like how many years does it have to be before it's finally ok to do it?
Here's his response last year:

I get a lot of questions about why we wouldn't just natively support Win32. There are some issues with Win32 as a long-term app model. It's not really an app model. The idea of an app model wasn't really around when we went from—I was at Microsoft when we went from Win16 to Win32, I remember those translations—so I definitely think we have more work to go do. My view is we will gain UWP adoption when UWP is more functional than msi + Win32. And we're not there yet.

But that's the path that we're on. How do we go make uninstall, install, cleanliness of install, manageability both for the customer and the developer, and the portability when a developer wants to take advantage of that, something that exceeds the ecosystem of Win32 + msi as a way to get things installed. And that's when we'll see wide adoption. And that's the path we're on.
Not a promise, just stating that obviously the platform has to evolve (and a bit before he says it's a journey and they are improving, however slow.
https://www.pcgamer.com/phil-spence...-to-go-do-on-improving-the-windows-store-uwp/

Looking at previous promises from 2015 and 2016 he was also promising improvements on specific issues that were delivered. I couldn't find any previous statements of where he is promising what the is promising now, to take gaming into account for the store and make it support all the features gamers want.
 

MonsterMech

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Oct 27, 2017
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I know it's only my anecdote, but after not using the windows store for a long time, I downloaded and played Forza Horizon 4 on my PC pretty seamlessly. It loaded my Xbox save and adjusted settings for me.
My PC hardware is fairly weak/outdated so most AAA games take a lot of tweaking and adjusting to get working at a reasonable level for me. Forza Horizon 4 was probably the easiest, most seamless AAA experience I've had on PC in a long time.

Seems the talk of how bad the windows 10 store is, is a bit overblown on this forum.
 

tmarg

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Oct 25, 2017
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They aren't planning to fix any of the core issues with their platform, they are just hoping that their new studios will give them the leverage they need to get PC gamers to accept it anyway.

I very much doubt it will work.

And this has nothing to do with steam's cut, it's about driving adoption of UWP and their vision of a walled garden.
 

Deleted member 11093

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I want the Windows Store to be great, I really do, but I can't buy any more games on it in its current state.
Crossing fingers for a complete overhaul announcement next year with the next Xbox announcement.
 

2shd

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Oct 25, 2017
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I know it's only my anecdote, but after not using the windows store for a long time, I downloaded and played Forza Horizon 4 on my PC pretty seamlessly. It loaded my Xbox save and adjusted settings for me.
My PC hardware is fairly weak/outdated so most AAA games take a lot of tweaking and adjusting to get working at a reasonable level for me. Forza Horizon 4 was probably the easiest, most seamless AAA experience I've had on PC in a long time.

Seems the talk of how bad the windows 10 store is, is a bit overblown on this forum.

Consider yourself lucky. It simply won't even start up for many others, including myself.
 

Lashley

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I know it's only my anecdote, but after not using the windows store for a long time, I downloaded and played Forza Horizon 4 on my PC pretty seamlessly. It loaded my Xbox save and adjusted settings for me.
My PC hardware is fairly weak/outdated so most AAA games take a lot of tweaking and adjusting to get working at a reasonable level for me. Forza Horizon 4 was probably the easiest, most seamless AAA experience I've had on PC in a long time.

Seems the talk of how bad the windows 10 store is, is a bit overblown on this forum.
1 good example does not outweigh the 100 bad ones
 

GameZone

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Oct 27, 2017
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I see people say this from time to time, but I haven't had any issues with it in years. I'm genuinely curious as to what problems you personally experience with it.

It's a mess. By that I mean not very user friendly to navigate and find the stuff you want to find. It's probably better on the Xbox One X, but on the launch Xbox One it's still super laggy.
 

Kitsunelaine

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Oct 25, 2017
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I want them to make Gamepass something that has even more connectivity between Xbox and the Microsoft Store. There's some of it there right now with Play Anywhere but not nearly enough. There's so many options, and it would be brilliant if they made X360 games playable through the Store as a way to boost sales and cross platform connectivity.

I just want to play Burnout Revenge
 

MonsterMech

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Oct 27, 2017
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Consider yourself lucky. It simply won't even start up for many others, including myself.

1 good example does not outweigh the 100 bad ones

Like I said, I know it's only my experience.

If they can make it more consistent, they will be fine. People are so angry and pessimistic as if it's impossible or something. It's already way better than GFWL and they say they are gonna make it even better.
 

Lashley

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Oct 25, 2017
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Like I said, I know it's only my experience.

If they can make it more consistent, they will be fine. People are so angry and pessimistic as if it's impossible or something. It's already way better than GFWL and they say they are gonna make it even better.
I hope they do, but what MS say they'll do and what they actually do is always two different things.

They can't even get W10 updates right.
 

NippleViking

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May 2, 2018
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Okay Spencer, go ahead. Show us that you actually care about PC gaming and take a good look at Steam and other popular game stores on PC.

Your to-do list:

- no more encrypted games, we need full file access
- mod support without monetization
- a decent in-game overlay for online interactions
- full compatibility with tools that PC gamers want to use (RTSS, Reshade etc)
- worldwide game prices that are on par with other PC stores instead of console
- decent discounts that aren't behind the Xbox Live Gold paywall
- support for DRM free games
- allow devs to generate free game keys, so that Windows Store games can be bought in competing 3rd party keystores
- universal controller support (including Steam controller)

Good luck Phil! :)
Except they don't need to do half of that. At best they just have to match Origin and Battle.net in functionality.

The problems are usability and compatability
 

scaryrobots

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Oct 27, 2017
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I hope they do, but what MS say they'll do and what they actually do is always two different things.

They can't even get W10 updates right.

Do you know how many updates get sent out? It's a fuckton and 99% of the updates work perfectly.

Since Terry Myerson no longer has control over Windows and Xbox, Phil Spencer is able to do what he wants. If he wants a better place for games on PC I'm pretty sure we're gonna get one.
 

Lilalaunebaer

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Oct 27, 2017
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So, you want them to have their own store..... but not have their own store? lol

They want them to sell steam keys for their games on their own store so you use the steam client. So their store is literally just that, a place to buy their games.
That way they don´t have to give up the 30% cut and pc gamers don´t have to deal with Microsofts trash client side of their store.
 

2shd

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Oct 25, 2017
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Like I said, I know it's only my experience.

If they can make it more consistent, they will be fine. People are so angry and pessimistic as if it's impossible or something. It's already way better than GFWL and they say they are gonna make it even better.

There is a huge fundamental problem with the OS/store interactions when your purchased games simply refuse to start, and the developer has no clue how to resolve it, particularly your flagship game series. When the issues reach this level for many people, the issues are not overblown. It's not a matter of consistency. That is a massive problem with such a service, and people are justified in being upset and pessimistic about it.
 
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Because they want the PC money? If people can't buy or download games from the store, they don't earn any money so it's logical to assume they're working on a fix.
yeah they've been working on fixes for the last 6 years with no end in sight

the questions are 1) do they have a firm grasp on the existing problems and how to solve them and 2) are they putting enough money and development time toward those solutions

at this point i have no reason to believe the answer to either is yes
 

Lashley

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Do you know how many updates get sent out? It's a fuckton and 99% of the updates work perfectly.

Since Terry Myerson no longer has control over Windows and Xbox, Phil Spencer is able to do what he wants. If he wants a better place for games on PC I'm pretty sure we're gonna get one.
Their big updates that they constantly fuck up are once every 3 months, so no it's not that many, and they never used to fuck them up.
 

Slowsonic

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Feb 25, 2018
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This.
Phil Spencer just telling people what they want to hear.
Until then, show me the receipts.
I thought he showed plenty, maybe not on PC, but on Xbox front, he delivered Hardware and services as promised, games are still waiting to be seen but with the acquisitions and new studios no one can deny their effort and improvement compared to this generation is almost guaranteed.

What he saying now is their team will play a bigger role in delivering games to the windows users. nothing more than nothing less.
 

Bung Hole

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I thought he should plenty, maybe not on PC, but on Xbox front, he delivered Hardware and services as promised, games are still waiting to be seen but with the acquisitions and new studios no one can deny their effort and improvement compared to this generation is almost guaranteed.

What he saying now is their team will play a bigger role in delivering games to the windows users. nothing more than nothing less.
I want to believe him and yes he delivered on the other promises but until something is done, it's just all talk.
 

Shadout

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Oct 27, 2017
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I thought he showed plenty, maybe not on PC, but on Xbox front, he delivered Hardware and services as promised, games are still waiting to be seen but with the acquisitions and new studios no one can deny their effort and improvement compared to this generation is almost guaranteed.

What he saying now is their team will play a bigger role in delivering games to the windows users. nothing more than nothing less.
Delivering on Xbox is not the same as delivering on PC.
I really doubt he has the influence (nor the will) to drastically change Windows, and the store.
 

khamakazee

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Oct 27, 2017
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Haha yeah, we both want the same thing: a decent PC gaming experience like we're used to have on other stores/platforms on PC. I'm convinced that it will benefit everyone (including Xbox owners) if Microsoft can achieve that.

I wouldn't underestimate their possible influence on PC gaming tho. I mean, they've just bought two respected PC-focused developers. Spencer also bought a full year of console exclusivity for RotTR and PUBG. That's how he competes against Sony, and that's how he'll compete against Steam as well...

That's how they all compete, so stop trying to put everything on Microsoft. You bought a PS4 so why don't you go after Sony like you do with Microsoft? Electronic Art's has deals like sports licensing so why is your focus always on Microsoft? Do you see Destiny 2 on Steam so why not go after Activision and Sony for all their sneaky deals?

Your bias is overwhelming and you will continue to say the same thing day after day until Microsoft gives you everything on your list and even then I wouldn't be convinced you'd support them.
 

Slowsonic

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Feb 25, 2018
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I want to believe him and yes he delivered on the other promises but until something is done, it's just all talk.

But everything is just talking before actually delivered. but while MS's track record on pc gaming is poor, Phil's personal record is pretty good. Besides what he saying here is not exactly a promise, he simply saying that his team will play a big role from now on.