From what I've seen it's one of the reasons many of them enjoy it so much, yes.
I mean, you guys can keep defending it all you want, it's no skin off my back - but it's not gonna stop you guys being seen as weird by most people.
That's not really what that means. The most hardcore of Persona fans were not necessarily the ones picking up the issue of Dengeki PlayStation where the questionnaire was in, or the ones filling out the survey."The most loyal and hardcore fans of this franchise are primarily grown ass adults" does not actually make it sound better.
Ah yes Ann the girl who didnt want to be sexualized and has an ongoing joke where her attire is incredibly sexualized and her dislike of it
Lol yep. We wouldn't in the UK either. I'm assuming that OP is from the USA. The pseudo moralism of US culture when it comes to teen sexuality is really just an excuse to push conservative Christian values. Just look at the moral panic surrounding SKINS in the US.
The most loyal fans are Otaku, the people who buy anything persona, aka figures, posters, doujins, etc."The most loyal and hardcore fans of this franchise are primarily grown ass adults" does not actually make it sound better.
I'm waiting for an anime/video game to create another situation like this (guy portrayed as bad objectifying the same girl the audience objectifies) and just hold up a mirror to the audience, you know? Call them out.It is weird if one of the characters whole thing is getting assaulted by her gym teacher when I see a lot of Persona threads normally devolve into adults talking about who "best girl" is...
Me, im 17.Even if you find the game geared towards teens, the problematic aspects of the relationships still remain.
I will however say that I have yet to meet someone in my life or online who has played this game who is under the age of 20.
my guys, you can't claim that the OP is making no sense while engaging in "which teenage girl is your favorite?" discussion at the same time
"The most loyal and hardcore fans of this franchise are primarily grown ass adults" does not actually make it sound better.
Par for the course.I love how the OP is ignoring every valid counter point though.
Its made for teenagers and, just like shooting people in an FPS, is not a 1:1 translation of real life wants, needs or desires.
i'm not from the US and that's fucked up. i'm glad the age of consent was recently raised in my country, although it's still pretty bad (16).Pretty much, just a few days ago i had a conversation with somebody from the US and that person was completely baffled that the age of consent here in Germany is 14.
Ah yes Ann the girl who didnt want to be sexualized and has an ongoing joke where her attire is incredibly sexualized and her dislike of it
It has been fucking hilarious seeing all the crying on the internet as Sony is feeling shame and having to censor some of the weeb shit releasing on the PS4. Then you get grown men crying over it.
Persona 5 is a shit game as well.
Pretty sure you could have showed that in plenty of ways other than running through a sauna, while a teenage girl is just wearing a bikini and dancing seductively.
Actually I remembered it wrong and the Rise dungeon was the strip club instead of the sauna. Only makes it worse though so whatever
I love how the OP is ignoring every valid counter point though.
Not this.
Yeah dancing on a strip pole is just a normal job for 15 year old girls haha. You are so right.Which makes totally sense in that case since she was a famous idol at that age and ads with bikini/swimsuit for magazines or TV are normal, even for teenagers (not even counting gravure idols that don't actually have a idol career). The abnormal would be Rise not doing those things in this representation of her job.
Hilarious that they couldn't even control themselves in this thread of all places.my guys, you can't claim that the OP is making no sense while engaging in "which teenage girl is your favorite?" discussion at the same time
except they are different teams working on different genres, citing a thing that was never in the game in which the op was criticizingAlso lol @ at the people who keep going "that's from the Dancing game, not Persona 5!!!" as if it isn't literally developed by the same people for the same audience
Stewart was 18 when the first one released, lautber 17, Pattinson 22. They were about one year younger when they started filming.Weren't the Twilight actors like 28 year olds "acting" as teens? Considering it's real actors it doesn't concern as much. Most of the girls/women lusting after those actors do it for the actors themselves.
They would lose a big chunk of fans if the next game has an adult cast. Life in Japan is already cruel, and lifeless to most Japanese people, why would they want to experience that in Persona.
It is the reason why teenagers are the main characters in most media, as they are consider the golden years for most people their.
This.I love how the OP is ignoring every valid counter point though.
I was just about to write something of this sort. Also I remember that character claiming she liked modeling because it made her feel closer to that world where her parents spent most of their time. (Dialogue around palace 2)"For now, I just want to keep improving, one step at a time. That someday down the line, I'll be able to look at myself with pride. Hopefully people will see that confidence, and draw strength from it. I'm gonna be a ray of light for the people of this planet..."
One of the quotes Ann says in her social link. Her whole charecter arc is her embracing her beauty and not letting people view her as just a doll.
Her outfit is inspired by an anime Ann watched, in which she admired a "sexy" villain who was strong and confident, and took whatever she wanted whenever she wanted.
I think you just missed the point of her charecter man.
The answer is "whichever position is most convenient for me to take at the time when I want to justify not only why I do not personally like the game but why it is in fact morally problematic for anyone to enjoy it"
See also: this is a dumb game for children when it is time for me to criticize the childish plot and cringey writing, but it is squarely targeted at adults when I want to accuse fans of being pedophiles
A simple move, yes, but one a majority of the customers would hate. Adult life already is already view badly in Japan, and one most people don't want to experience in their games. Even on manga targeted at adults, seinen, teenage protagonist are a norm.Yeah, I've noticed it's weird.
The age rating in the US is older than the main cast.
A simple move to college would carry a lot of the same themes and gameplay without being as creepy.
On a tangent :
wow that survey thing throw some interesting stats,
Gender (P5 Buyers among Magazine readership)
I had no idea japan had a neck to neck female player count. Good for them.
- 56.5% of people buying Persona 5 are male
- 43.5% of people buying Persona 5 are female
See the post I made plus the several others you chose not to respond to
Just adding fire to the sexualization of children here
Also have some numbers on the player ages ill add to the OP in a bit. Majority of players are between 20-29
I already edited my post before you replied but okay. It doesn't matter what the point is behind it, because no entertainment medium should show you 15 year old girls dancing around strip poles. But if you don't see anything wrong with that there is no point in arguing with you anyway, because you clearly have some issues then.The guy Kanji had the Sauna dungeon because it delt with his sexuality but okay.
the strip club is created because of the two conflicting personalities Riseheld. One is the teenage idol side of her that she shows in her television and stage performances, while the other is the polite, soft-spoken girl. She has a hard time searching for her true self, which spawned the dungeon as a striptease club.
The sales for Persona 2: Eternal Punishment have probably scared them from even thinking about doing a mainline Persona game revolving around adults for a long, long time.I get what you're saying, but I don't think an adult theme Persona is such a crazy risk. I know they know their demographic better than I ever will, but Persona isn't some back burner franchise, I'd say it's pretty established by now. They should be looking to break a lot of the tropes in Japanese media... I think it's limiting to subscribe to these same rules for so long. P5 alone had so many moments that just didn't make sense for a teenager to be and the pretty high school themed gift wrapping doesn't really cover how they dropped the ball there.
There's a large collection of 20+ year olds on this forum arguing about how much 14-16 year olds are wank material. If not characters that look even younger.
The amount of bans handed out for sexualizing minors is off the charts on this forum. Same goes for topics needing to be locked to save the forum the embarrassment of its userbase jumping up and down discussing paedo shit in anime/games. It's just drawings and they aren't real! Jokes about anime aside, which most people can take on the chin, there are a lot of sick fucks on the internet and some on this forum. Was the same on GAF.
To argue the Persona characters in the game are around the same age is one thing, but the teacher dynamic is creepy as fuck. That shits illegal in most places. The further issue becomes the fact whatever age the characters are of in of themselves, the players who drool over them are usually a fair bit older. 15/16 year olds dating each other, yeah great, nothing really wrong with that. A 28 year old getting their socks off over 15/16 year olds, starting to yikes a bit there.
I love Life is Strange. It has a romance element with a youngish set of lead characters. I did not get excited/turned on about said characters and the romance was handled pretty well in most instances. Most Japanese games don't do romance, they do cheap sexualization.
It has been fucking hilarious seeing all the crying on the internet as Sony is feeling shame and having to censor some of the weeb shit releasing on the PS4. Then you get grown men crying over it.
Persona 5 is a shit game as well.
They could, but that way they can't have their cake and eat it too. Funny how it's a conveniently built in excuse that anime avatars are quick to point out, so then they can go to a different thread and list their waifus in order of preference guilt free, because it's a thoughtful "realistic representation" and not pandering or objectification aimed squarely at them.Pretty sure you could have showed that in plenty of ways other than running through a sauna, while a teenage girl is just wearing a bikini and dancing seductively.
Nope it's still basically thatIs the "dating" in Persona 5 anything more then a single scene of soppy dialogue near the end of the game like it was in P4?
No. There are no sex scenes or even hints for them.Is the "dating" in Persona 5 anything more then a single scene of soppy dialogue near the end of the game like it was in P4?
Thank you!Its made for teenagers and, just like shooting people in an FPS, is not a 1:1 translation of real life wants, needs or desires.
You're actually right in this case, but this is post is also proof that you're not really willing to argue in good faith. Like it's clear to me you're less concerned with you're more interested in denigrating P5 than arguing your initial point, which is fair, but most of us have worked past our "P5 is really problematic" phases months ago. It's a dead horse.
There are a lot of grown men making ridiculous, embarrassing posts about the Sony censorship fiasco. That's absolutely true.
I think this part of your post falls under that same category, however. You're not really making any valid points, and you seem to think Sony's "scorched earth" approach to censoring some PS4 games is completely ideal.
Yeah dancing on a strip pole is just a normal job for 15 year old girls haha. You are so right.
Yeah, I'd argue that the audience they're targeting with the spin offs is actually a small part of the main demographic.except they are different teams working on different genres, citing a thing that was never in the game in which the op was criticizing
hell, most fans dont like the dancing games specifically cause it loses what they like in P5 characters