Persona 5 is game for adults in which you date children.

WonderLuigi said:

The children part is completely new, though. It's interesting. I don't know if I follow it completely (I also don't agree with people saying they were not playing as an avatar, lmao), but interesting read.

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Spare us the condescension.

The game splits the difference between the protagonist being an avatar for the player and his own person (which changes in sequels where he is outright his own character).

There's a reason why the developers have described him as a person, unlike say, any of the Shin Megami Tensei characters. Unless you think this guy's a blank slate.

ImNotAFroot said:

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There's no point in posting in this thread if you aren't going to be even remotely productive.

How old was Gemma in DQXI?!

This thread is going to be amazing.

There's a large collection of 20+ year olds on this forum arguing about how much 14-16 year olds are wank material. If not characters that look even younger.

The amount of bans handed out for sexualizing minors is off the charts on this forum. Same goes for topics needing to be locked to save the forum the embarrassment of its userbase jumping up and down discussing paedo shit in anime/games. It's just drawings and they aren't real! Jokes about anime aside, which most people can take on the chin, there are a lot of sick fucks on the internet and some on this forum. Was the same on GAF.

To argue the Persona characters in the game are around the same age is one thing, but the teacher dynamic is creepy as fuck. That shits illegal in most places. The further issue becomes the fact whatever age the characters are of in of themselves, the players who drool over them are usually a fair bit older. 15/16 year olds dating each other, yeah great, nothing really wrong with that. A 28 year old getting their socks off over 15/16 year olds, starting to yikes a bit there.

I love Life is Strange. It has a romance element with a youngish set of lead characters. I did not get excited/turned on about said characters and the romance was handled pretty well in most instances. Most Japanese games don't do romance, they do cheap sexualization.

It has been fucking hilarious seeing all the crying on the internet as Sony is feeling shame and having to censor some of the weeb shit releasing on the PS4. Then you get grown men crying over it.

Persona 5 is a shit game as well.

This is trying too hard.

Not dating Kawakami is where you heathens went wrong

Council Pop said:

Yep. I just wish we could agree that adult men on Resetera having either real-life women or anime girls as their profile picture is much, much more problematic than anything in this thread.

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i don't see it as often as i did back in NeoGAF (though maybe it's because i don't frequent many anime-related threads), but even now there's still a few dudes with avatars of anime teenage girls in suggestive clothing (or, like, straight up school swimsuits). it's pretty nasty

real life women isn't a huge issue to me, although when they're obviously taken from porn it kind of does makes me feel unwelcome as a woman. but at least it's not straight up a teen girl, lmao

FluxWaveZ said:

It's the weird part with threads like this. You have the option to not date anyone... and then we learn that the OP decided to date the teacher anyways.

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The OP obviously fantasizes about being put into the body of a teenager and hooking up with a teacher. More power to the OP, I say.

TheRulingRing said:

Some horrible whataboutism here.

Sonic isn't designed around that reason. People into that stuff is very much the minority.

Persona is designed for the players (mostly adults, and the devs know this, don't play dumb) to get excited over living their fantasy with an underage character. It's one of the clear selling points of the game.

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People play a 90 hours JRPG because of, maybe, 10min of dates with no sex and shallow dialogue? There aren't other better ways/games?

leng jai said:

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Reaching for the skies.

Isn't Persona 5 aimed towards the teenage crowd/young adult crowd anyways?

Cryptosporidium said:

Just adding fire to the sexualization of children here

Also have some numbers on the player ages ill add to the OP in a bit. Majority of players are between 20-29

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But that's not Persona 5?
And where do your numbers come from?

edit: oh dengeki playstation lol. You know that doesn't change the target audience right?
Next you'll say pokemon games aren't for kids and COD games not for adults due to the playerbases...

It's an RPG where you role-play as a teenage batman/thief, obviously you're gonna date other teens. You personally are not dating them, the fictional character you play as does.

Yeah the relationship the main character can have with his teacher is far more disturbing than anything else imo

That one actually made me uncomfortable

Rosebud said:

People play a 90 hours JRPG because of, maybe, 10min of dates with no sex and shallow dialogue? There aren't other better ways/games?

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From what I've seen it's one of the reasons many of them enjoy it so much, yes.

I mean, you guys can keep defending it all you want, it's no skin off my back - but it's not gonna stop you guys being seen as weird by most people.

Spinluck said:

Catherine should spin off into a more mature take on Persona with puzzle dungeons and shit. So basically Catherine with RPG elements...

I'd cop, even if it meant they had to axe it down like 2-3 dungeons for quality and time purposes, P5 went on too long and P4 kinda dragged even though the story was more compelling so I gave it a pass.

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They would lose a big chunk of fans if the next game has an adult cast. Life in Japan is already cruel, and lifeless to most Japanese people, why would they want to experience that in Persona.

It is the reason why teenagers are the main characters in most media, as they are consider the golden years for most people their.

Audioboxer said:

There's a large collection of 20+ year olds on this forum arguing about how much 14-16 year olds are wank material. If not characters that look even younger.

The amount of bans handed out for sexualizing minors is off the charts on this forum. Same goes for topics needing to be locked to save the forum the embarrassment of its userbase jumping up and down discussing paedo shit in anime/games. It's just drawings and they aren't real! Jokes about anime aside, which most people can take on the chin, there are a lot of sick fucks on the internet and some on this forum. Was the same on GAF.

To argue the Persona characters in the game are around the same age is one thing, but the teacher dynamic is creepy as fuck. That shits illegal in most places. The further issue becomes the fact whatever age the characters are of in of themselves, the players who drool over them are usually a fair bit older.

I love Life is Strange. It has a romance element with a youngish set of lead characters. I did not get excited about said characters and the romance was handled pretty well in most instances.

Persona 5 is a shit game as well.

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Seem to be genralzing the fan base? Like yeah many people have their favorite charecter they choose to date but that's just the same as when Twilight was big and tons of people were on Team Edward or Team Jacob despite them being teenagers as well.

When I say that Makoto is my favorite charecter to date. I say that with the intent of the MC and feel like they have a good chemistry. I never insert myself into that relationship.

Felt like saying it's a shit game is a bit unnecessary and not the point of this discussion.

RPGamer said:

The teenagers also are not children, at least in germany we wouldn't call them children.

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Lol yep. We wouldn't in the UK either. I'm assuming that OP is from the USA. The pseudo moralism of US culture when it comes to teen sexuality is really just an excuse to push conservative Christian values. Just look at the moral panic surrounding SKINS in the US.

TheRulingRing said:

Sonic isn't designed around that reason. People into that stuff is very much the minority.

Persona is designed for the players (mostly adults, and the devs know this, don't play dumb) to get excited over living their fantasy with an underage character. It's one of the clear selling points of the game.

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Here was me thinking it was about forming my scooby doo crew to rid Tartarus of the demons

No clearly it was a game for pedos getting their rocks off

Cryptosporidium said:

Edit:

https://personacentral.com/persona-magazine-survey-results/

75% of players are adults with 23% being over 30

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These are Japanese hobbiest magazine survey readership respondent percentages, not percentages based on the total number of people who purchased Persona 5.

Cryptosporidium said:

Remember that you as an adult are inserted into the game to date these characters

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Yeah no, dating the characters is not a requirement. You don't need to date anyone in this game, not even in order to reach their Level 10 confidant.
You can argue that being given the option is problematic, but then again:

Spinosaurus said:

Dating adults is also sleazy because the player character is still a teenager.

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Exactly.

It becomes a problem of perspective with this game.

Is it a problem that you are an adult who can date underage girls, or is it a problem that you are a teenager who can date Adults?

TheRulingRing said:

From what I've seen it's one of the reasons many of them enjoy it so much, yes.

I mean, you guys can keep defending it all you want, it's no skin off my back - but it's not gonna stop you guys being seen as weird by most people.

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I have a question about the bolded part. Why exactly should I or anyone else care about being seen as "weird" because they aren't bothered by the dating elements in P5?

the protagonist is 16 though right?

Person 4 sexualised Rise even though she was like 15(?), and sadly nobody ever had an issue with that Tons of japanese games sexualise children and teenagers and some sick gamers think it's a thing worth defending.

His Majesty said:

Fully agree. I can't believe that this game is held in such a high regard on a progressive forum and by the industry press. It's pure filth.

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It's almost as if this game wasn't really problematic besides two minutes of cutscenes where they terribly portray gay men

Cryptosporidium said:

Kawakami is your teacher (who I romanced because I am also a degenerate)

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...Being a teenager who dates an adult is okay then?

The main character is a teenager, and so is very likely the target audience. I really wouldn't say Persona 5 is a game for adults lol.

TheRealDennis said:

Person 4 sexualised Rise even though she was like 15(?), and sadly nobody ever had an issue with that Tons of japanese games sexualise children and teenagers and some sick gamers think it's a thing worth defending.

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Probably because Rise Kujikawa is realistic to the idol culture in Japan.

This made me think of the moms who loved the Twilight movies....

It's a game for teenagers where you date teenagers. It can't help the largely adult fandom it attracts.

FluxWaveZ said:

These are Japanese hobbiest magazine survey readership respondent percentages, not percentages based on the total number of people who purchased Persona 5.

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On a tangent :
wow that survey thing throw some interesting stats,
Gender (P5 Buyers among Magazine readership)

• 56.5% of people buying Persona 5 are male
• 43.5% of people buying Persona 5 are female

I had no idea japan had a neck to neck female player count. Good for them.

No way is Chihaya a teen.

She's early 20s minimum

I think painting this as "Its mostly adults who play it!" Is a weak argument honestly

Most of the "coming of age" films are also watched by a ton of adults. Same with books.

Having teenagers having relationships with other teenagers is absolutely fine in context of stories that take place with people of that age. It would be bizarre to tell an story about 16-17 year olds and have no relstionships as people at that age absolutely do

That said, I do think its its pretty weird when 30 year olds are having fantasies about them.

TheRealDennis said:

Person 4 sexualised Rise even though she was like 15(?), and sadly nobody ever had an issue with that Tons of japanese games sexualise children and teenagers and some sick gamers think it's a thing worth defending.

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Wasn't the whole point of her sexualization because she is a pop star and put on this pedestal which she doesn't like? I don't think her being sexy was supposed of been positive.

Grimmjow said:

Reaching for the skies.

Spoiler

Haru is the best girl.

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Kanann said:

Nah, they're millions seller because of normies. (Example: DQ and Pokemon)
If otaku aim really that popular, many more degenerate stuffs will be that pop too.

And in this current era, otakus tend to whale on mobile games more than other medias.
Beside mobile, they're all collapse hard.

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"Normies" don't buy video games in Japan. Those that you call normies would be called otaku there for that reason and it's why many people bought games in secret or never told to others until the last decades for fear of being judged. Being a otaku has nothing to do with "degenerate", it just means that you have a hobby be it anime, manga, games, idols, trains, TCG, guns, western culture or whatever that is.

Those games stereotyped sells less than 30k while games like Nier, Persona, Fire Emblem and others are above 400k which is a pretty big number.

FluxWaveZ said:

These are Japanese hobbiest magazine survey readership respondent percentages, not percentages based on the total number of people who purchased Persona 5.

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Lol, OP really thought he had a gotcha there. Put it in bold and a big font and everything.

Benji said:

That said, I do think its its pretty weird when 30 year olds are having fantasies about them.

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Yeah. The waifu thing is real weird.

Shubh_C63 said:

On a tangent :
wow that survey thing throw some interesting stats,
Gender (P5 Buyers among Magazine readership)

• 56.5% of people buying Persona 5 are male
• 43.5% of people buying Persona 5 are female

I had no idea japan had a neck to neck female player count. Good for them.

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For Atlus games in general, there is a large percentage of female players that Atlus likes to highlight whenever they can. Catherine, for example, also has a significant female playerbase.

There are a good number of women as Atlus employees, as well.

You can hear the fans here, lol (when the P4AU character is teased or when they see Yu Narukami dancing):

Are you a creep if you romance the teenagers and you're an adult playing a teenager or are you a creep for being an adult playing a teenager romancing adults?

MrConbon210 said:

Wasn't the whole point of her sexualization because she is a pop star and put on this pedestal which she doesn't like? I don't think her being sexy was supposed of been positive.

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Pretty sure you could have showed that in plenty of ways other than running through a sauna, while a teenage girl is just wearing a bikini and dancing seductively.


Actually I remembered it wrong and the Rise dungeon was the strip club instead of the sauna. Only makes it worse though so whatever

Civil majority do not recover sexual majority in most countries, in continental Europe it's balanced between 14yo to 16yo and in Japan it's 13yo. Also, a child is a person who hasn't achieved his/her puberty, that is clearly not the case of that group.

my guys, you can't claim that the OP is making no sense while engaging in "which teenage girl is your favorite?" discussion at the same time

Nightbird said:

Exactly.

It becomes a problem of perspective with this game.

Is it a problem that you are an adult who can date underage girls, or is it a problem that you are a teenager who can date Adults?

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The answer is "whichever position is most convenient for me to take at the time when I want to justify not only why I do not personally like the game but why it is in fact morally problematic for anyone to enjoy it"

See also: this is a dumb game for children when it is time for me to criticize the childish plot and cringey writing, but it is squarely targeted at adults when I want to accuse fans of being pedophiles

It is weird if one of the characters whole thing is getting assaulted by her gym teacher when I see a lot of Persona threads normally devolve into adults talking about who "best girl" is...

TheRealDennis said:

Person 4 sexualised Rise even though she was like 15(?), and sadly nobody ever had an issue with that Tons of japanese games sexualise children and teenagers and some sick gamers think it's a thing worth defending.

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Which makes totally sense in that case since she was a famous idol at that age and ads with bikini/swimsuit for magazines or TV are normal, even for teenagers (not even counting gravure idols that don't actually have a idol career). The abnormal would be Rise not doing those things in this representation of her job.

MrConbon210 said:

Seem to be genralzing the fan base? Like yeah many people have their favorite charecter they choose to date but that's just the same as when Twilight was big and tons of people were on Team Edward or Team Jacob despite them being teenagers as well.

When I say that Makoto is my favorite charecter to date. I say that with the intent of the MC and feel like they have a good chemistry. I never insert myself into that relationship.

Felt like saying it's a shit game is a bit unnecessary and not the point of this discussion.

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Weren't the Twilight actors like 28 year olds "acting" as teens? Considering it's real actors it doesn't concern as much. Most of the girls/women lusting after those actors do it for the actors themselves.

Games and anime usually try and do the inverse of the above. This is a 65 year old house maid, please excuse her huge tits and appearance that makes her look 12.

The teacher dynamic is one of the worst parts of Persona 5 because it is a pretty straightforward acceptance and mockery of teacher/pupil sexual abuse dynamics.

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"The most loyal and hardcore fans of this franchise are primarily grown ass adults" does not actually make it sound better.

JetSetRadio said:

How old was Gemma in DQXI?!

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16

Benji said:

Yeah the relationship the main character can have with his teacher is far more disturbing than anything else imo

That one actually made me uncomfortable

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It is, i avoided to romance the teacher, the doctor, the journalist and Futaba. The good thing: You don't have to get into a romance with anybody if you don't want.