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Persona 5 is game for adults in which you date children.
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It moreso the power dynamics of her being dependent on you. We could completely ruin her career, we have far more power over her than she does over us.
i've seen every anime fandom and they all suffer from this trash. grown ass people jerking off to actual kids and arguing over which kid is the most fuckable
I'm 20. I beat Persona 5 when I was 19 and Persona 4 when I was 15. There was nothing problematic in the age of the relationships because your charecter is a teen dating teens. If anything the adult relationships are problematic because they're taking advantage of a minor.
One, it's the character, not the person playing the characters. You have to imagine it from the role of that character.
Two, Chihaya is in her early 20s, so she's an adult.
Three, yes it is weird and not so good that all the romances end up with the woman being super dependent on Ren/Joker.
Two, Chihaya is in her early 20s, so she's an adult.
Three, yes it is weird and not so good that all the romances end up with the woman being super dependent on Ren/Joker.
Progressives tend to make a lot of excuses for anime in general.
I tried to date Takemi but I guess I missed the last part even after I maxed her out and ended up with Ryuji, lonely and eating chocolate he gave me.
"Otaku aimed japanese media" which is basically what sustained and created the entire market for games, anime, manga (without counting western fans, soldiers, trains, figures and other type of otaku but I know people ignore those) and for games, even the best-selling ones are mostly bought by otaku like Pokémon, MH, DQ, Mario, Persona and others. Those were always the people that bought them since the beginning, they just were named otaku later. And of course, the majority of them aren't the sterotype made but normal people, even more since the last decade where it was more acceptable to admit that you're a otaku instead of do those things in secret of other people. Otaku for more than a decade is a word in common use by being a nerd and it comprises of people from different ages and genders as we know by researches.
I believe P3 and P3FES were the only ones were you didn't have the option to go platonic in the relationships. That is also the game where reversing and outright breaking social links were emphasized the most based on your dialogue choices (S. Links would also reverse if you spent a long time without hanging out with someone).
There was Naoto in P4 where you needed to pick specific dialogue options to enable the possibility of an intimate relationship, but they took out the more complex social dynamics from P3. Might have been because that's not what players wanted, though unused assets for Persona 5 suggested that they had considered bringing back reversible Confidants.
It's the weird part with threads like this. You have the option to not date anyone... and then we learn that the OP decided to date the teacher anyways.
I would've done that! But there's an achievement attached to it.
I picked Makoto and there were sexual implications but other than blushing there's nothing really shown. If that's someone's thing, oh well, but I dont think the game handles it distastefully or in a way specifically catering to the sexual desires of the player.
are qe supposed to demonize everything because of fanbase alone? should sonic be co sidered smut do to the furry fan base around it? are children not allowed to like my little pony because of the creepy adult fandom?
The main target audience for Persona games has always been Japanese high schoolers.
But even if you ignore that point... You know teenagers date and fuck in real life, right? They do it in movies, they do it in books, many of which are written by and for adults. Why should games be any different?
But even if you ignore that point... You know teenagers date and fuck in real life, right? They do it in movies, they do it in books, many of which are written by and for adults. Why should games be any different?
Absolutely agree with you, adults who go all waifu on the persona characters make me go "hmm". Though in my experience I wouldn't say it's a game only adults play. It's always felt more tuned in for teenagers and the like.
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Just adding fire to the sexualization of children here
Also have some numbers on the player ages ill add to the OP in a bit. Majority of players are between 20-29
Not true, before the actual romance is engaged, the stuff about her being in debt is already resolved and she had quit the maid job as well. The only power imbalance would be in her favor until she starts dating Joker, in which you could make that argument, but your point would be moot
Man, I brought this up before, but no one seemed to pay any attention. I'm glad someone else agrees. Futaba was the worst, because it felt like you were taking advantage of her trauma.
It's just part of the ongoing issue of teenage wish fulfillment fantasies being sold to maladjusted adults. Same old, same old.
This is where I am at. Gameification of romance is inherently a problem with the medium, and there is little way around it. Even people angry Anthem doesn't haven't romance options, I question how they would judge Bioware's previous approaches to relationships and whether that has much merit beyond a means to an end and an excuse to talk privately with someone outside of fights.
Furthermore, I agree, I want to know how OP feels about something like Life is Strange, which is still more maturely written but still involves teens hooking up.
Persona 5 has plenty of problems in regards to its objectification of female characters, but also its power dynamics that, hey, it's real fucking weird to be dating a teacher in that game. But simultaneously, it is a game about teens. Their perspective, and who is within their social circle. Teens relationships in media aren't something we need to be sidestepping. It's far weirder you can date adults than teens dating people within their circle. Even then, the relationships themselves come down to some person rests their head on you and the game fades to black. "You spent some time with ______".
At most, Persona 5's role-playing is little more than "which meter are you going to grind out today?" Either way, the game ends with everyone thinking you're the best person ever. I can't tell Yusuke to take a fucking hike, or have one of my confidants outright hate me for a thing I said. It's incredibly simplistic and mechanical. And I would agree that it warrants criticism on that level, but not in the way OP is suggesting.
Just adding fire to the sexualization of children here
Also have some numbers on the player ages ill add to the OP in a bit. Majority of players are between 20-29
Isn't that from the dancing game?
I'm so glad I never gave Atlus money for the dancing spinoffs
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Yep. I just wish we could agree that adult men on Resetera having either real-life women or anime girls as their profile picture is much, much more problematic than anything in this thread.
You are playing a teenager that goes to highschool and dates other teenagers. It's like reading a book with teenage characters. The teenagers also are not children, at least in germany we wouldn't call them children.
I know some have problems with that and i can understand that, i guess that game isn't for everybody. Personally i'm ok with it, as it is fantasy and it remembers me of the romances and also problems i had as a teenager, it's a bit of timetravel for me ( it is unrealistic with all the magic and superpowers, but there are some things that make me think of my time as a teenager). Personally i could see it more problematic that you can date your own teacher but well, we also shoot people in games and thankfully it is optional.
If you hate to play the role of a teenager you should probably have avoided that game from the start, a big part of the game is schoollife etc. like in Persona 4.
The quality of the dating part is another story and also how some characters are treated.
I know some have problems with that and i can understand that, i guess that game isn't for everybody. Personally i'm ok with it, as it is fantasy and it remembers me of the romances and also problems i had as a teenager, it's a bit of timetravel for me ( it is unrealistic with all the magic and superpowers, but there are some things that make me think of my time as a teenager). Personally i could see it more problematic that you can date your own teacher but well, we also shoot people in games and thankfully it is optional.
If you hate to play the role of a teenager you should probably have avoided that game from the start, a big part of the game is schoollife etc. like in Persona 4.
The quality of the dating part is another story and also how some characters are treated.
I first played Persona when I was around 15 or 16, and I was 19 when I played Persona 5.
WHAT ?
Ok I have not finished P5 and have currently just secured 3rd Palace, but have read about romance options this game contains like any other RPG game, and this take is..weird. Do we really need to analyze everything from those glasses. And so, for instance, if in-game lore dictated these characters were 18, 19 etc and in college than this wouldn't had been an issue because it's college.
I think we also need to understand how developers made this for us. People yearn for their school and College days, they have beautifully mixed the best of both worlds in there and made some sacrifices. Do you really believe this is developers original intent to portray such relations? (assuming this is a discussion worth even discussing about).
I did raised an eyebrow when certain someone was presented as a maid but i just chuckled and went ahead. That was funny. And these characters are not your "normal" teenagers also (assuming this whole game is not just a metaphor for coming of age - I have not finished the game). These are seemingly mature people warping in and out of a reality having gods sitting in their shoulders making philosophical decisions on whether stealing a heart could result in a death. These are not Earth-Teenagers, these are Anime-teenagers. We are expected to have a willing suspension of disbelief towards these "anime" games.
Of course that's just me. Could be wrong. Have seen how tides work here so wanna keep my feathers intact,..but again I really love this game till this point.
Ok I have not finished P5 and have currently just secured 3rd Palace, but have read about romance options this game contains like any other RPG game, and this take is..weird. Do we really need to analyze everything from those glasses. And so, for instance, if in-game lore dictated these characters were 18, 19 etc and in college than this wouldn't had been an issue because it's college.
I think we also need to understand how developers made this for us. People yearn for their school and College days, they have beautifully mixed the best of both worlds in there and made some sacrifices. Do you really believe this is developers original intent to portray such relations? (assuming this is a discussion worth even discussing about).
I did raised an eyebrow when certain someone was presented as a maid but i just chuckled and went ahead. That was funny. And these characters are not your "normal" teenagers also (assuming this whole game is not just a metaphor for coming of age - I have not finished the game). These are seemingly mature people warping in and out of a reality having gods sitting in their shoulders making philosophical decisions on whether stealing a heart could result in a death. These are not Earth-Teenagers, these are Anime-teenagers. We are expected to have a willing suspension of disbelief towards these "anime" games.
Of course that's just me. Could be wrong. Have seen how tides work here so wanna keep my feathers intact,..but again I really love this game till this point.
Just adding fire to the sexualization of children here
Also have some numbers on the player ages ill add to the OP in a bit. Majority of players are between 20-29
None of that is in the main game. The only charecter who is sexualized is Ann but her social link is all about how she is empowered by herself and won't be the victim any longer after being sexually abused by the gym teacher.
There's also the scene at the beach but the male charecters are shirtless as well so I could hardly say that counts.
Yes the sexualization is weird however I'm not from Japan or Japanese so idk how well I could comment on their culture over there.
Im 19, and the vast majority of Personas fanbase (mostly the art focused part like on Tumble, Twitter, etc) are young teens and people in their twenties.
It is a game than CAN be enjoyed by adults, but that dosent mean that the target demo, you are way off the mark my man.
Sonic isn't designed around that reason. People into that stuff is very much the minority.
Persona is designed for the players (mostly adults, and the devs know this, don't play dumb) to get excited over living their fantasy with an underage character. It's one of the clear selling points of the game.
Man, I'd kill for that shit. Older characters and more grounded character struggles. That's another thing that Persona has trouble with - a lot of the individual character struggles are either too banal ("I wanna be a high school athlete but my body can't take it") or too out there to be taken seriously as an adult ("I'm feeling pressured by my family to inherit the zaibatsu.") Something like Kanji's issues with gender roles and sexuality is great - or would be if they had stuck the landing.
Not that the mundane struggles so many of us face can't be interesting... it's just difficult to do so in the Social Link format, with a team of writers pulling inspiration mainly from anime and manga.
So no May/December romance with Professor Mcgonagall? Shame...
It's a shame the game was too cowardly to follow up on the ideas it presented in its first act, with Kamoshida and his attitudes towards teenage girls :/
Nah, they're millions seller because of normies. (Example: DQ and Pokemon)
If otaku aim really that popular, many more degenerate stuffs will be that pop too.
And in this current era, otakus tend to whale on mobile games more than other medias.
Beside mobile, they're all collapse hard.
Lol what is this thread. The protagonist who is in high school as well is dating them, not you. This is a whole lot of nothing.
None of that is in the main game though, its specifically a fan service spinoff title... Low hanging fruit to pick there
Just adding fire to the sexualization of children here
Also have some numbers on the player ages ill add to the OP in a bit. Majority of players are between 20-29
this is honestly a really skewed take
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by the way, if you're a teenager who's in a relationship with an adult doctor who is giving you experimental drugs, please tell us so we can call the police
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