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Phil Spencer: I’m Taking a Bigger Role into Making Windows Store Tailored Towards Gamers [READ OP]
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the odds of the Windows Store dropping UWP are 0%. Microsoft's games will never be moddable in the way that PC gamers want.
The best we can hope for is that the Windows Store gets fixed so that it basically works and doesn't require users to reinstall their OS as a routine troubleshooting step.
Don't know if you remember but my first thread on Era was about how lucky I was because I finally got a complete download on Windows Store to play Forza
ITT: People don't realise the Xbox division had little to no involvement in the Windows Store yet somehow don't trust Phil about helping fix it because they thought the Xbox division ran the Windows store already.
the gaming division still doesn't run the store so why should we believe him when he says he'll fix it now?
If you're optimistic that Phil Spencer can help the windows store apparently
We should all just be pessimistic and say he is lying. That is apparently what we should be doing.
Because people primarily access it for games? Anyway, it can't possibly be worse than what it is now.
Because he has significant more say in Microsoft now and their push to get more people into their platform should be spearheaded by someone who understands why PC gamers are so sour about the Windows 10 Store. His involvement in fixing it should result in an overall better store experience for anyone that uses it.
They should trust him even less then, if he's so inexperienced with PC OS development
I have no issues with the windows store especially since I could play some of my xbox game pass on my PC. But there is definitely room for improvement.
All of you, drop the inane arguments about who is and who isn't allowed to have feelings about this story. Any further posts that try to dismiss and discredit fellow users like that will be actioned accordingly.
Yeah now that's the only concern I have here: what does "fixing the store" mean for MS? Just making sure that people can download and play games? Or will he actually open up UWP games so we can do everything that we can do with win32 games?
I wish Phil would be so kind to answer that question, because after he told us he can't open up UWP games to protect us against Chrome keyloggers, it's no easy to keep a positive mind on this.
It s understandable with Linux. And Mac are not éven pc. But i could buy steam games on my windows8 but not Windows games. It s à little problem
He did what?
But yeah, the bare minimum for success here is removing/completely opening up UWP.
My bare minimum doesn't even include opening up their games to mods (though that's my bar for it being an attractive storefront rather than a simply bad one).
It needs to have the bare minimum of a decent user experience with the expectation that every game will behave accordingly when purchased, downloaded, installed, and played. That's it.
Opening it up like every other storefront would make it more likely that I'd use it beyond store exclusives.
It needs to have the bare minimum of a decent user experience with the expectation that every game will behave accordingly when purchased, downloaded, installed, and played. That's it.
Opening it up like every other storefront would make it more likely that I'd use it beyond store exclusives.
True. Windows 8.1 is still in 'extended support' till 2023. So you got 4+ years to go.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-mainstream-support-windows-81/
I'm still confused why are they trying to push Win10-Store. What would they get from this? Are they still expecting people to buy music, movies books and so on on this thing, cause that ship has sailed a very long time ago... I would rather loved to see the store separate. One for all the software and other things people use for work, and one for gaming, something like steam.
Cool I'll look forward to seeing what they do with it. Would love to have more games available on there and use it more often rather than rely on Steam or GoG.
Sad but true...
https://www.pcgamer.com/microsofts-uwp-will-support-some-mods-but-not-all/
I'm trying to keep a positive mind, but I don't see that happen. This goes straight against Microsofts long term goals...
The problem is that the more successful the WinStore becomes, the higher the chance that more 3rd party games will become exclusive as well. Spencer has no problem spending lots of money to buy (timed) exclusivity for long awaited games.
You know, we went round and round about this last year when Spencer said something similar about first party. Bunch of people showed quotes from 2013, 2014 and 2015. I made the point that Microsoft's restructure and Nadellas comments to investors made this different.
Today, people who fought like hell that 1st party commitment was PR in 2017 have figured out how to downplay or be negative towards the moves that don't support their initial opinion. Only a small percent of minds will get changed. As we can see from today's discourse in nearly everything including politics, facts don't matter in anything anymore. Only being right.
So it's time to stop arguing with those who've made the commitment that Microsoft is and will always be bad for gaming. It's their right. They can justify it however they see fit. I only ask some people in this forum to quit trying to shame consumers who believe different than you. They aren't shills or bowing to corporate overlords. The entire gaming industry is propped up by mega corporations attempts to make as much profit off consumers as possible. Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, Valve, EA, Activision and soon Google...none of them are in this for charity. There's plenty of evidence to support optimism if you're willing to accept that because Nadellas strategy is heavily dependent on Microsoft gaining credibility in the PC space.
Today, people who fought like hell that 1st party commitment was PR in 2017 have figured out how to downplay or be negative towards the moves that don't support their initial opinion. Only a small percent of minds will get changed. As we can see from today's discourse in nearly everything including politics, facts don't matter in anything anymore. Only being right.
So it's time to stop arguing with those who've made the commitment that Microsoft is and will always be bad for gaming. It's their right. They can justify it however they see fit. I only ask some people in this forum to quit trying to shame consumers who believe different than you. They aren't shills or bowing to corporate overlords. The entire gaming industry is propped up by mega corporations attempts to make as much profit off consumers as possible. Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, Valve, EA, Activision and soon Google...none of them are in this for charity. There's plenty of evidence to support optimism if you're willing to accept that because Nadellas strategy is heavily dependent on Microsoft gaining credibility in the PC space.
Because he never said he'll fix it. He said he'll have some input on helping to fix it.
Because the Xbox Store works much better and is still built off Windows 10? A PC OS?
I couldn't care less how MS is run. I only care about whether things are being fixed on PC. For the last 12 years they haven't, so I see no reason to suddenly start trusting them just because a different face is wearing the head honcho suit. When (if) they start making real, visible changes, that's when they'll begin earning the benefit of the doubt. Until then I'll keep doing what I've been doing all this time: treating these empty promises for what they are.
Besides, Spencer is one of those people who have been talking a lot without saying anything during the last few years, so this isn't news to me.
MS finally delivering games to Xbox owners 5 years into the console's life (which still aren't out yet, but at least they're in development) is a good sign. (And yes, I'm still salty that I bought a console with such pathetic support. Sue me.)
I don't see anyone shaming people for being optimistic. I see the reverse. We're getting "shame on you" posts when we're (justifiably) skeptical.
Y'all are welcome to be optimistic. Just don't expect those of us who have seen this time and time again to get excited because more words are being spoken.
I don't see anyone shaming people for being optimistic. I see the reverse. We're getting "shame on you" posts when we're (justifiably) skeptical.
Y'all are welcome to be optimistic. Just don't expect those of us who have seen this time and time again to get excited because more words are being spoken.
I've seen the Xbox One get significantly better, so I think Phil CAN get it done. But I'm still skeptical considering MS has promised to fix this store numerous times since 2012.
I believe with Nadella, and Spencer's appointment as EVP. We can actually expect changes within the next 12 months.
My prediction, no more unified store. The Xbox app will become the unified storefront for all things gaming PC/Xbox/Streaming.
This will allow them to be much more nimble with making adjustments/changes and adding new features.
My prediction, no more unified store. The Xbox app will become the unified storefront for all things gaming PC/Xbox/Streaming.
This will allow them to be much more nimble with making adjustments/changes and adding new features.
The Windows Store has seen big improvements over the years, but it's taking way too long to see these improvements and there's still so much it needs.
Phil Spencer has done a great job of listening to gamers and enacting change inside Xbox and MS. This gives me hope he'll be able to deliver.
Phil Spencer has done a great job of listening to gamers and enacting change inside Xbox and MS. This gives me hope he'll be able to deliver.
Feel like I've read this same thing from Spencer many times in the past. Would have thought he'd have gotten started on this by now tbh.
I hope he is serious.
Its crazy to me that MS doesnt have a functional store up yet. EA, Blizzard, Ubi etc all manage to sell their games without it being a pain in the ass for the consumer. Hell there are indie devs selling it directly off their sites and that stuff works.
But the biggest PC company to ever exist still cant get it right. Just mindblowing.
Its crazy to me that MS doesnt have a functional store up yet. EA, Blizzard, Ubi etc all manage to sell their games without it being a pain in the ass for the consumer. Hell there are indie devs selling it directly off their sites and that stuff works.
But the biggest PC company to ever exist still cant get it right. Just mindblowing.
This makes sense with the incoming Gampass for PC... I would expect them to drop around the same time.
Also, people have gotten more and more vague about timeframes because, let's face it, theres a good subset of people on here who can be so vitriolic about missed timetables, what benefit could there ever be to giving one at this point.
Also, people have gotten more and more vague about timeframes because, let's face it, theres a good subset of people on here who can be so vitriolic about missed timetables, what benefit could there ever be to giving one at this point.
Because they want the PC money? If people can't buy or download games from the store, they don't earn any money so it's logical to assume they're working on a fix.
Yeah the 7 or 8 new game studios, long wait for the next Halo and One X are just your imagination.
Things are massively different now versus leading up to the launch of the X1.
Not sure when it's the right time to start, but I do know the moment he just gained up his new position and talked about using this position to improve the store for the first time ain't that.
He deserves all the benefit of the doubt after he turned over xbox one, and now is delivering on 1st party again.
Well I mean he hasn't delivered on first party yet right? Sure they bought a shitload of studios, hopefully that materializes into some sweet ass games.
Okay, how? Seriously, does Microsoft know what people want? He's basically saying nothing here. He isn't saying if they will fix the issues people have, or if this is just going to be another change to the layout or something. This isn't far removed from the past decade or so of Microsoft saying they're focused on PC gaming while nothing they do lines up with that. Do something, eh?
They are getting dominated in the console space by Sony and Nintendo and PC gamers still don't want anything to do with their eco system.
Dominated? Not sure about that. Xbox generates a ton of money.