First thing I thought of was to separate the 2 stores was pleasantly surprised to see so many others with the same thinking.
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Phil Spencer: I’m Taking a Bigger Role into Making Windows Store Tailored Towards Gamers [READ OP]
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Might be the most obtuse, narrow-minded post I've read in quite a while. Congratulations.
Surely you see the difference here, surely? Or are you going to act like you don't, for the sake of winning an argument?
And it's always the same people coming in here, copy pasting the same tired old ass argument without looking at the context.
It is always the same apologists getting angry because we are tired of the same responses from MS. Dont hate us, hate the ones that are doing nothing.
I think for the most part the games (and upcoming games) are already there, it doesn't even need something like AoE4 to launch to gain significant traction. The problem is everything you listed not being present.
Indeed.
Lose UWP and make the store more than semi functional in use?
Actions speak louder than words and MS only keeps talking about it's weaknesses on PC, it never seems to do much.
Actions speak louder than words and MS only keeps talking about it's weaknesses on PC, it never seems to do much.
With the IP's and studios they have. They have IP's in all kinds of genres that are popular on PC. Zombie survival games like State of Decay (Oh.. I hope 3 gets some polish), a building adventure with Minecraft, a racing titan with Forza, two rpg studios (inXile and Obsidian), etc.
There aren't many publishers focusing on pc games in that order of magnitude. Besides Blizzard Entertainment...
If it gets better, cool. If it doesn't then that's fine too, I'll just use it only for Xbox exclusives that I want. It has worked for me in that capacity so far so I am not too concerned. It's not our only gateway to games on pc.
Things are different. MS is all about hybrid seamless computing (cloud + local) that relies on recurring revenue (subs mainly). They are or have transitioned everything to that. Games are next and Nadella knows what he is doing.
Any analysis of these moves has to start with the premise that the billionaires on the board only care about making more billions. So, ask yourself how thses moves will lead to the generation of maximum profits. Selling a New Vegas or alpha protocol isnt where the money is.
Biggest games are what kind of games? Most long term player bases are for what kind of games? How do you get people to sub long term? What kind of games are best for streaming from the cloud? Etc
With Microsoft buying more and more studios it will become more important.
Eerily similar to the copy+pasted assurances that we get from MS that they're listening and will fix PC gaming.
"Microsoft promises to improve the Windows Store" PCGamer, February 29, 2016
"Phil Spencer interview: 'We have work to go do' on improving the Windows Store, UWP" PCGamer, June 13, 2017
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UWP would need to be recoded, since its been made for small apps, not 30-100gb games.
Again, context, go and look at Phils interviews regarding first party studios, console power, services, etc.
This is different. He is actively in a role where the store is his priority. I really don't know why I have to explain why its different this time to so many people.
Okay, then until it shows, I have no need to trust MS. When they have fixed my problems with PC gaming, with their store, then I can start trusting them.
I don't trust someone unless their actions shows they can be trusted. So far, MS actions in regards to PC gaming has not shown them worthy of trust. However, if Phil and MS fixes the problems with the store, of course I can start trusting them.
It's words against actions. So far, it's been words. I need to see action.
I'll believe it when I see it and not a moment before.
I don't care how much you happen to like your Xbox, if you game on PC you have absolutely no reason to believe anything anybody at Microsoft says about finally getting their PC gaming initiatives right this time. It's been the same song and dance for literally the last decade.
I don't care how much you happen to like your Xbox, if you game on PC you have absolutely no reason to believe anything anybody at Microsoft says about finally getting their PC gaming initiatives right this time. It's been the same song and dance for literally the last decade.
because it's still just talk and they've said "it's different this time" maybe 20 times now?
i don't know why anyone is willing to give them the benefit of the doubt
Your point is valid. I just am not concerned about it, functionally the store has worked fine for me so far. But yes, if they want to truely compete as a distributor they need to expand the store's capabilities.
I know that's where we disagree. He needs to fix ALL the issues on my list, including file access.
What I described isn't MY personal vision on PC gaming. It's how PC gaming has always been.
All these things I've listed aren't an issue in EVERY other game store on PC.
this is actually a good point that I forgot about. It's lame that the actually good discounts are locked behind Gold much of the time. Like how does that help us on the PC side where Gold is useless?
Yeah, this one is annoying. Forza H.4 for example doesn't play nice with overlays like MSI Afterburner.
I believe this is happening if that rumor is to be believed.
They also should add BC for OG Xbox and 360 titles. That could be huge to leverage. Obviously there are a lot of games that already on PC, but there are still plenty that aren't. Lost Odyssey, Ninja Gaiden Black, NG2, Jet Set Radio Future, Blue Dragon would be great to play.
It's not just that. If they want to launch a PC version gamepass then they need to be taken seriously by both consumers and any third party developers/publishers they want to get involved.
It's not just PC gamers who are avoiding their store, it's also third party PC developers/publishers who are deeming it not worth the effort despite the fact that UWP allows for ease of porting between Xbox and PC:
We already had the Xbox One version, so technically, that made it very easy to make a [Microsoft Store] version of the game.
https://m.windowscentral.com/final-fantasy-xv-windows-edition-interview
Dude, theres literally no point in talking to you. You're just repeating the same thing over and over again lol, I told you why Phil is trustworthy, and why the context is different. I'm not wasting any more time, you're mind is already made up anyways.
They've never said what Phil has said last night, not even once.
One player in the pc gaming ecosystem that does it differently won't change pc gaming. But we agree on much more than we disagree.. so let's start there. ;)
Phil turned around the perception of the Xbox One brand, that gives him weight to do the same for the Windows store. I think he can make positive changes but don't expect them overnight.
Don t make windows10 mandatory is a good start.
I couln'd buy their games event if i Wanted to do so
I couln'd buy their games event if i Wanted to do so
Well, if something has been evident these last months is that when Phil says he will do something, he's serious.
If anyone can fix the windows store, it's Phil. I just hope they gave him enough control over it, that will be the deciding factor
And I agreed. He is trustworthy, in regards to Xbox. PC gaming? Not so far at least. Will he be? Hopefully. Is he right now? No.
if your point is that no one has ever uttered those precise words, sure.
but they've done the "we know we have lots of issues with windows gaming but we're committed to fixing them and making it a great experience" (which is the essence of what spencer was saying) probably dozens of times now. saying this time it's different just because he said different words is way too credulous.
I can understand why they don't launch their games on Linux and macOS. Can also understand why they don't launch it on old versions of their OS. Even more so because these operating systems are nearing EOL.
If it means trying to force UWP, thanks, but no thanks. That said, UWP isn't the only problem that store has.
Always funny to see an Xbox fan so concerned about whether PC gamers buy in to their PR.
If it happens, great! I'd love to see what a committed MS could bring to the PC gaming space.
Their history does not instill trust that they will do what they say, even with blessed Phil Who Can Do No Wrong at the head. Don't know why it's so important to you that we all believe and Wait For ///Build/// without airing our well-earned doubts.
Phil has had his job since 2017. Since he's taken over, his team has been a machine. Now that PC store is a focus, no reason not to expect major changes. I'd hardly consider the team to be "spinning wheels". Lot has been accomplished in one year.
Wtf does this even mean? I have a gaming PC, I have plans to purchase a beefier one as well.
Don't stoop that low. That has nothing to do with this conversation.
Regardless, I'm not exactly sure what you're looking for here. Are you saying people are responding incorrectly?
What should we be saying exactly?
And perhaps putting out a roadmap for what they have planned regarding the Store would help assuage skepticism.
"We've got more work to do on [the Windows] Store, clearly. I hear the feedback on that." Phil Spencer, June 2017.
"I think we've got a ton of work to do on Windows. [...] I've heard all the feedback about our store." Phil Spencer, November 2018.
He hears the feedback, and knows they've got work to do.
"I think we've got a ton of work to do on Windows. [...] I've heard all the feedback about our store." Phil Spencer, November 2018.
He hears the feedback, and knows they've got work to do.
But this time he means it guys.
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Do you work for Microsoft or what?
We are talking here about the same company that tried to lock PC gaming, the same company that invented paid P2P online for consoles and the same company that released the worst store ever when they are the king of consumer O.S. and even have a gaming system. They're the same company that promises, lies and fucks up over and over and over again.
Phil Spencer might change something but the overall company is still the same, and he cant change that.
Stop acting like Microsoft is your friend and people here are wrong, cause none of that is true.
I feel as if this thread will not age well. Phil Spencer has shown time and time again he can get the job done. People also laughed when he said he was taking first party seriously, and was committed to it. One year later they have 13 studios and no signs that they arent going to add more.
Really the comments are almost identical with this thread saying "Empty promises", "All talk", etc
Phil Spencer not only has changed Xbox, but Microsoft seems to be changing the landscape of the Game Industry. Phil Spencer 100% has my support.
Really the comments are almost identical with this thread saying "Empty promises", "All talk", etc
Phil Spencer not only has changed Xbox, but Microsoft seems to be changing the landscape of the Game Industry. Phil Spencer 100% has my support.