American Academy of Pediatrics releases new policy on spanking kids: Don't

Wumbo64 · Nov 11, 2018

If you can reason with your children without resorting to physical action or yelling, that is always the optimal route.

Clearly there are parents who do lasting psychological and sometimes physical damage to their children carrying out corporal punishment. However, people are still people, responsibility of parenthood or not. They get tired, lose focus and patience, make mistakes. Also, as someone who was a brat as a child, I don't blame my parents for the handful of times where they struck me to remind me I wasn't the center of the universe. I used to get into regular fights with my brothers and even once punched my father in the face at a restaurant.

Not all children are innocent, as I can attest. I used to do everything I could to undermine them. And the punishments sensibly escalated. I would get a speech about how what I was doing was wrong and unacceptable. Then I would get restrictions on entertainment and what I could do with my free time. But there were times where I consciously disregarded those previous punishments and threw tantrums in public places, get into fist fights with my brothers, broke private property, and in one case even stole stuff from a store. And at those key points, my parents understandably reached the end of their ropes. They worked hard and did everything for my brothers and I, so when we did extraordinarily dickish things (particularly humiliating them in public), they resorted to taking us home or to a private place and spanking/slapping us until the tension broke and we stopped thinking we could just get away with things.

I always sigh when a thread likes this pops up. People throw out really broad generalizations about what is and isn't acceptable, when everyone's living situation and family dynamic are completely different. I am very happy to see a lot of users reporting that corporal punishment is something they never dealt with or at least have success avoiding with their own kids. Yet some of those posts on the other side of the fence really resonate with my own upbringing.

As an aside, I have never had a better relationship with my parents. We still get pissy and caustic about stuff like money, but we all support one another phyiscally, emotionally, and even financially.

LL_Decitrig · Nov 11, 2018

99Luffy said:
Also, raising your voice to a certain decibal is verbal abuse and therefore also child abuse.

Also really weird. You can't deescalate a problematic situation by screaming at those involved.

TelluricTokoro · Nov 11, 2018

Rinse Bassfunk said:
Are you saying you got no advice, guidance, or help?

What situations did you feel you needed a stronger discipline?

Your parents clearly felt you were capable

At some point you need to take responsibility for your own decisions

I'm not about to lay out my life story, that's none of your business lol.

I'm saying most of the lessons I learned in life I learned through my own failings, or watching my brothers fail and deciding not to do those things.

We're in a thread about spanking not being good punishment, retorting that my parents felt I was capable seems odd when we've established via the premise of the thread that parent's feelings aren't always based in reality, lol.

Furthermore, I take full responsibility for every actions I've ever made. I just wish I had the context and perspective beforehand, not after I had already made that action.

You seem to think I'm blaming my parents for something, and I'm not. I just wish they were a little more strict.

Alec said:
There is no way for you to know if you are doing psychological damage.

And you know for sure that it does? If you want to make an argument that doing no harm to a child causes psychological trauma, please show your work.

WedgeX said:
The American Academy of Pediatrics came out against any and all forms of corporal punishment. No need to try and differentiate levels and such.

... what? Lightly pinching isn't abuse, and lightly pulling ears isn't a physical attack.

They're literally not. I wasn't arguing their effectiveness, but they're not physical attacks, or abusive.

Shark · Nov 11, 2018

Disturbing people would need to be told this.

Euler · Nov 11, 2018

DukeBlue said:
Omg it's this topic again.

I'll just say my momma whooped me when I did stupid shit as a child and it truly did straighten me out.

Sorry to hear you were abused as a child and that your mother was a child abuser. Hope you can break the cycle of violence and not abuse your possible future kids.

Vincent Alexander · Nov 11, 2018

LL_Decitrig said:
In that it cuts off the "I don't care what the experts say, because reasons" tendency, it does help. The thread is about progress from one American professional body of child development experts, not about whether the experts are wrong. Otherwise we're just mimicking the climate change denialists, the antivaxxers and whatnot in giving space to a bankrupt point of view.

That is all well and good, but his post helps achieve none of that. This thread has shown there is more discussion to be had than just whether we should believe the experts or not. We should. But to say discussion is hard because, essentially, people are morons....? It shits all over the well-thought out posts that have moved beyond the OP into other items, such as:

Neece said:
While I'm on team don't-spank, I wish there was more of a focus on alternatives to spanking than just telling people not to spank. While many people on the spanking defense force seem to defend spanking because they feel they or their parents are being personally attacked for using corporal punishment and their defense mechanism takes over, I think there are others that truly feel like spanking "just works" and don't know what else to do (and aren't going to read books or take classes on how to parent).

Over the last ten or so years I''ve seen countless discussions, arguments, and debates over spanking, but a fraction of those discussions actually took a deep dive into alternatives. Even the suggestions listed in the article seemed very broad and perhaps shallow and I can already hear the spanking defense force saying "well what if that doesn't work?" Anecdotes are usually discouraged when facts are available, but facts don't always discourage people from breaking tradition, especially when the facts go against intuition. I think that's why so many of them ask "do you even have kids?" because they intuitively believe spanking sometimes is the only way to correct behavior. Anecdotes that include tried and true alternatives to spanking may help with them.

Deleted member 17658 · Nov 11, 2018

Shark said:
Disturbing people would need to be told this.

it stems from a stubborn authoritarian parenting style where those people believe that the only way to learn when something is wrong is through pain and punishment.Also a lot of parents are incapable of expressing their displeasure for something through conversation so it's used as a cheap cop-out to hide thee fact that their terrible parents. But most just have horrible anger issue's and uses whoopings as a form of relief.

It's messed up but thats how those people think.

99Luffy · Nov 11, 2018

LL_Decitrig said:
Also really weird. You can't deescalate a problematic situation by screaming at those involved.

Too many people here projecting their own experiences and thinking it will work in every parents situation. You see those dr. Phil episodes where the kid/teen is throwing violent tantrums and all the parent does is plead, bargain and beg for them to stop? Most posters here are that parent.
And guess what, Dr.phil couldn't do anything either.

LL_Decitrig · Nov 11, 2018

TelluricTokoro said:
... what? Lightly pinching isn't abuse, and lightly pulling ears isn't a physical attack.

They're literally not. I wasn't arguing their effectiveness, but they're not physical attacks, or abusive.

You're still pushing this? If somebody did this to you as an adult, would that not fall within your country's definition of criminal assault? Touching somebody without their consent is a physical attack.

DukeBlue · Nov 11, 2018

Euler said:
Sorry to hear you were abused as a child and that your mother was a child abuser. Hope you can break the cycle of violence and not abuse your possible future kids.

That discipline stopped me from making dumb decisions like joining gangs and smoking pot in high school. When you live in the projects, you have to show some tough love to your kids, even I know that.

Now I'm studying at a world renowned, top 10 college. Would I be here if my mom didn't set me straight? Mostly likely not.

Vincent Alexander · Nov 11, 2018

SSJ Sho'Nuff said:
it stems from a stubborn authoritarian parenting style where those people believe that the only way to learn when something is wrong is through pain and punishment.

It's messed up but thats how those people think.

I think it'll get better as time goes on. I could be wrong, but I feel like the generations of people being shown that spanking isn't good for kids came from families where that shit was acceptable. As the gap widens, and those involved first-hand with getting spanked grow up, have their own kids, and steer clear from this kind of punishment, we'll surely (hopefully) see less of the mindset that it is okay.

TelluricTokoro · Nov 11, 2018

LL_Decitrig said:
You're still pushing this? If somebody did this to you as an adult, would that not fall within your country's definition of criminal assault? Touching somebody without their consent is a physical attack.

No, I wouldn't consider my girlfriend pinching me or lightly tugging my ear as assault, because I'm not a fucking baby.

Jesus Christ, you think I'd press charges for criminal assault for getting pinched?

You sound fucking ridiculous, dude.

Deleted member 17658 · Nov 11, 2018

99Luffy said:
Too many people here projecting their own experiences and thinking it will work in every parents situation. You see those dr. Phil episodes where the kid/teen is throwing violent tantrums and all the parent does is plead, bargain and beg for them to stop? Most posters here are that parent.
And guess what, Dr.phil couldn't do anything either.

So you think yelling at them will make them calmer? Quite the opposite. There are authoritarian ways of parenting those types of kids that those parent maybe too lax to do that does not involve striking or even raising your voice at the child/teen.

EDIT: also I would advice against using television as a form of education when it comes to issues like these as they are usually primped up to attract viewers at the cost of presenting false characters and information.

Deleted member 7082 · Nov 11, 2018

TelluricTokoro said:
No, I wouldn't consider my girlfriend pinching me or lightly tugging my ear as assault, because I'm not a fucking baby.

Jesus Christ, you think I'd press charges for criminal assault for getting pinched?

You sound fucking ridiculous, dude.

You don't even understand the post.

LL_Decitrig · Nov 11, 2018

99Luffy said:
Too many people here projecting their own experiences and thinking it will work in every parents situation. You see those dr. Phil episodes where the kid/teen is throwing violent tantrums and all the parent does is plead, bargain and beg for them to stop? Most posters here are that parent.
And guess what, Dr.phil couldn't do anything either.

I don't watch crap like Dr Phil. I do endorse a child-rearing technique that relies on constant dialogue. I've raised a highly intelligent, articulate but simultaneously severely autistic child to adulthood and am still that grown-up's carer, so I know how hard it can be to communicate with a person who is beyond reasonable control. Shouting and hitting wouldn't help in any way.

TelluricTokoro · Nov 11, 2018

Megatherium said:
You don't even understand the post.

I do understand the post.

The poster's point is physical contact without consent is technically criminal assault. No fucking shit.

No one who isn't a complete bitch is gonna feel assaulted for being pinched as an adult. Especially if it's not being done with the intent to cause physical harm. It's technically a crime in the eyes of a law, but so is pissing in public.

You guys hold some of the dumbest, impractical positions.

WedgeX · Nov 11, 2018

TelluricTokoro said:
I'm not about to lay out my life story, that's none of your business lol.

I'm saying most of the lessons I learned in life I learned through my own failings, or watching my brothers fail and deciding not to do those things.

We're in a thread about spanking not being good punishment, retorting that my parents felt I was capable seems odd when we've established via the premise of the thread that parent's feelings aren't always based in reality, lol.

Furthermore, I take full responsibility for every actions I've ever made. I just wish I had the context and perspective beforehand, not after I had already made that action.

You seem to think I'm blaming my parents for something, and I'm not. I just wish they were a little more strict.

And you know for sure that it does? If you want to make an argument that doing no harm to a child causes psychological trauma, please show your work.

... what? Lightly pinching isn't abuse, and lightly pulling ears isn't a physical attack.

They're literally not. I wasn't arguing their effectiveness, but they're not physical attacks, or abusive.

Corporal punishment. They are corporal punishment. Which is what the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends against.

Deleted member 2171 · Nov 11, 2018

99Luffy said:
Too many people here projecting their own experiences and thinking it will work in every parents situation. You see those dr. Phil episodes where the kid/teen is throwing violent tantrums and all the parent does is plead, bargain and beg for them to stop? Most posters here are that parent.
And guess what, Dr.phil couldn't do anything either.

You know Dr Phil is an entertainment program where people are told to play up parts

Deleted member 7082 · Nov 11, 2018

TelluricTokoro said:
I do understand the post.

The poster's point is physical contact without consent is technically criminal assault. No fucking shit.

No one who isn't a complete bitch is gonna feel assaulted for being pinched as an adult. Especially if it's not being done with the intent to cause physical harm. It's technically a crime in the eyes of a law, but so is pissing in public.

You guys hold some of the dumbest, impractical positions.

The post said that such contact is considered assault, legally.

Your response was that you were too manly and wouldn't press charges, therefore the idea that it's legally assault is insane?

You acting like a dimwit meathead talking about "complete bitches" persuades me to avoid anything you believe or were raised with.

ElectricBlanketFire · Nov 11, 2018

DukeBlue said:
What's your problem dude? Did I say my one anecdote disproved everything else?

Take a chill pill.

I'm not upset.

Shark · Nov 11, 2018

TelluricTokoro said:
No one who isn't a complete bitch is gonna feel assaulted for being pinched as an adult. Especially if it's not being done with the intent to cause physical harm.

Jesus.

TelluricTokoro · Nov 11, 2018

WedgeX said:
Corporal punishment. They are corporal punishment. Which is what the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends against.

Where do you see me disagreeing with that?

I just said it's not physical abuse, not that it was effective punishment.

You guys trip so hard over yourselves when y'all can just read carefully.

LL_Decitrig · Nov 11, 2018

TelluricTokoro said:
No one who isn't a complete bitch is gonna feel assaulted for being pinched as an adult.

Well that's certainly an opinion. But at least you concede that it falls within the legal definition of a physical assault.

WedgeX · Nov 11, 2018

TelluricTokoro said:
Where do you see me disagreeing with that?

I just said it's not physical abuse, not that it was effective punishment.

You guys trip so hard over yourselves when y'all can just read carefully.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, in its guidance as to why not to use any corporal punishment, cites the potential for "negative behavioral, cognitive, psychosocial, and emotional outcomes." You're arguing degrees but AAP makes it clear to avoid it entirely.

99Luffy · Nov 11, 2018

FyreWulff said:
You know Dr Phil is an entertainment program where people are told to play up parts

It's an example, I see it often enough in public.

99Luffy · Nov 11, 2018

LL_Decitrig said:
I don't watch crap like Dr Phil. I do endorse a child-rearing technique that relies on constant dialogue. I've raised a highly intelligent, articulate but simultaneously severely autistic child to adulthood and am still that grown-up's carer, so I know how hard it can be to communicate with a person who is beyond reasonable control. Shouting and hitting wouldn't help in any way.

Well yeah raising an autistic child is obviously different.

TelluricTokoro · Nov 11, 2018

Megatherium said:
The post said that such contact is considered assault, legally.

Your response was that you were too manly and wouldn't press charges, therefore the idea that it's legally assault is insane?

You acting like a dimwit meathead talking about "complete bitches" persuades me to avoid anything you believe or were raised with.

Too manly? Stop projecting and learn how to fucking read.

Yes, it's technically considered assault. So is someone briefly touching your back to move past you in a crowded lane, so is someone tapping you on the shoulder to get your attention. All of those are unwanted contact.

In CONTEXT, nobody would consider those scenarios assault, even though they technically are. Just like I don't consider my girlfriend pinching me assault. It's not fucking hard to understand.

Harping, "it's still technically assault" when context has been dropped makes you look fucking dumb, dude.

TelluricTokoro · Nov 11, 2018

WedgeX said:
The American Academy of Pediatrics, in its guidance as to why not to use any corporal punishment, cites the potential for "negative behavioral, cognitive, psychosocial, and emotional outcomes." You're arguing degrees but AAP makes it clear to avoid it entirely.

Bruh, what the fuck is wrong with you?

I'm not disagreeing that it's ineffective punishment, can you fucking read?

WedgeX · Nov 11, 2018

TelluricTokoro said:
Bruh, what the fuck is wrong with you?

I'm not disagreeing that it's ineffective punishment, can you fucking read?

First off, that's pretty rude.

Second, you made those very claims in the posts I'm replying to.

TelluricTokoro said:
Pulling a kid's ear - so lightly that it doesn't even hurt them - isn't a physical attack.

Neither is lightly pinching them. There is no intent to harm, or any harm whatsoever.

There is no damage being done, psychological or otherwise.

Being dramatic doesn't make your point more effective, it makes you sound ridiculous.

A physical attack? Miss me with that bullshit.

ElectricBlanketFire · Nov 11, 2018

TelluricTokoro said:
Too manly? Stop projecting and learn how to fucking read.

Yes, it's technically considered assault. So is someone briefly touching your back to move past you in a crowded lane, so is someone tapping you on the shoulder to get your attention. All of those are unwanted contact.

In CONTEXT, nobody would consider those scenarios assault, even though they technically are. Just like I don't consider my girlfriend pinching me assault. It's not fucking hard to understand.

Harping, "it's still technically assault" when context has been dropped makes you look fucking dumb, dude.

TelluricTokoro said:
Bruh, what the fuck is wrong with you?

I'm not disagreeing that it's ineffective punishment, can you fucking read?

Yes, we are aware that everyone but you is fucking dumb and can't read.

Deleted member 7082 · Nov 11, 2018

TelluricTokoro said:
Too manly? Stop projecting and learn how to fucking read.

Yes, it's technically considered assault. So is someone briefly touching your back to move past you in a crowded lane, so is someone tapping you on the shoulder to get your attention. All of those are unwanted contact.

In CONTEXT, nobody would consider those scenarios assault, even though they technically are. Just like I don't consider my girlfriend pinching me assault. It's not fucking hard to understand.

Harping, "it's still technically assault" when context has been dropped makes you look fucking dumb, dude.

I'm about done with this idiot fuckboy but here goes.

In CONTEXT, you brought up these things saying they wouldn't be abuse to a child. And then you launched the goalposts into orbit to land in a different hemisphere and suddenly talked about your girlfriend playfully pinching you.

And yeah, you talked about how only a "complete bitch" would care or whatever, so describing it as you being "too manly" was a pretty mild but accurate representation of what you said.

C O N T E X T

TelluricTokoro · Nov 11, 2018

Megatherium said:
I'm about done with this idiot fuckboy but here goes.

In CONTEXT, you brought up these things saying they wouldn't be abuse to a child. And then you launched the goalposts into orbit to land in a different hemisphere and suddenly talked about your girlfriend playfully pinching you.

And yeah, you talked about how only a "complete bitch" would care or whatever, so describing it as you being "too manly" was a pretty mild but accurate representation of what you said.

C O N T E X T

How did I launch the goalposts when I was specifically asked what would I do if it happened to me as an adult? I was responding to a question I was asked, that YOU butted into, because your reading comprehension is garbage.

I said only a complete bitch would consider contact clearly not meant to harm as assault, but you can't even quote what I said properly.

So I'm pretty sure you can't read.

Wackamole · Nov 11, 2018

Nerdyone said:
Yelling at your kid is perfectly fine. When my son bought a fortnight skin without asking I yelled at him and took away the PlayStation for a month. No issues since then.

Yeah we all raise our voices at some point. What i mean are those families who do nothing BUT yelling and shouting like it's their way of communication. If most you do towards your kid is yelling then it is terrible.

LL_Decitrig · Nov 11, 2018

99Luffy said:
Well yeah raising an autistic child is obviously different.

Not at all. If anything, their capacity for extreme escalation is far greater.

My other child, now also an adult, is not autistic. They were raised in the same way. We argued with them a lot.

TelluricTokoro said:
I just said it's not physical abuse, not that it was effective punishment.

You guys trip so hard over yourselves when y'all can just read carefully.

Actually you initially argued that it wasn't a physical attack. But you now appear to concede that it is.

JealousKenny · Nov 11, 2018

LL_Decitrig said:
You're still pushing this? If somebody did this to you as an adult, would that not fall within your country's definition of criminal assault? Touching somebody without their consent is a physical attack.

If my son doesn't want to take a bath and I physically place him in the tub is that a physical attack? I'm touching him against his will and without his consent.

Thordinson · Nov 11, 2018

Josh378 said:
Nah, got spankings and came out right. I hide nothing from my parents and have respect for them for it. Problem is that, it depends on the child. Some children are soo bad that you can't do anything else with them, spanking and or no spanking. Have a friend who did the no spanking rule and followed through with mostly what the video that was in the OP link and that child is a terror. At this point, they are contemplating sending the child to a discipline camp. Seen someone spank a child when they were growing up and they are currently in jail for attempted murder. So at this point, some children are just impossible to raise. They have to make the decisions to make a change. (Or possibly have a mental issue, which at that point, unless you have the money, you are SoL)

I'm not sure what argument you're trying to make? If what you're trying to say is that people can be bad parents with and without spanking, I agree. Some children will just be bad regardless of what you do, true. But I know, for me, nothing hurt more than my parents telling me that they were disappointed in me. I wanted to try and make them proud but then they would hit me and I just became the child they said I would be, not the one they wanted me to be. Spanking isn't the sole determinant factor on how well the children are raised. You can not spank a child but be verbally abusive, for example. Perhaps you came out "right" in spite of spankings and not because of them. Like I did.

What we know is that spanking is detrimental, empirically.

Deleted member 7082 · Nov 11, 2018

TelluricTokoro said:
How did I launch the goalposts when I was specifically asked what would I do if it happened to me as an adult? I was responding to a question I was asked, that YOU butted into, because your reading comprehension is garbage.

I said only a complete bitch would consider contact clearly not meant to harm as assault, but you can't even quote what I said properly.

So I'm pretty sure you can't read.

It's not like we can't read your earlier posts.

ElectricBlanketFire · Nov 11, 2018

JealousKenny said:
If my son doesn't want to take a bath and I physically place him in the tub is that a physical attack? I'm touching him against his will and without his consent.

This conversation just keeps getting worse and worse.

MrNewVegas · Nov 11, 2018

TelluricTokoro said:
I do understand the post.

The poster's point is physical contact without consent is technically criminal assault. No fucking shit.

No one who isn't a complete bitch is gonna feel assaulted for being pinched as an adult. Especially if it's not being done with the intent to cause physical harm. It's technically a crime in the eyes of a law, but so is pissing in public.

You guys hold some of the dumbest, impractical positions.

This is your stance yet if some random person came up to you and pinched you I bet you'd have no problem throwing hands.

Sloth Guevara · Nov 11, 2018

Fucking mouth breathers saying "it's not abuse if you don't hit/pinch/flick hard".

Well yes it is and if you fuckers had your kids in my class I'd make sure that you got reported to the police.
I thank god I live in a country in which this is illegal.

LL_Decitrig · Nov 11, 2018

JealousKenny said:
If my son doesn't want to take a bath and I physically place him in the tub is that a physical attack? I'm touching him against his will and without his consent.

Is that something you're likely to do? It's certainly physical assault. I've raised two kids to adulthood and I must confess the idea of forcing one of them to bathe never occurred to me.

JealousKenny · Nov 11, 2018

LL_Decitrig said:
Is that something you're likely to do? It's certainly physical assault. I've raised two kids to adulthood and I must confess the idea of forcing one of them to bathe never occurred to me.

If my son is throwing a tantrum and needs the leave the room and will not remove himself i will certainly pick him up, remove him from the area, and handle the situation in a more appropriate area. I dont consider that physical assault. And yes there have been days where my son did not want to go take a bath and i had to physically take him to the bathroom. When he got there he calmed down and took a bath.

When you push for a zero tolerance policy it really doesnt do anyone any good, and certainly your stance of any unwanted touch being considered physical assault is a zero tolerance policy that most sensible people would scoff at. Its so extreme that it kills any meaningful discussion on appropriate actions to take when dealing with a child throwing a tantrum.

LL_Decitrig · Nov 11, 2018

JealousKenny said:
If my son is throwing a tantrum and needs the leave the room and will not remove himself i will certainly pick him up, remove him from the area, and handle the situation in a more appropriate area. I dont consider that physical assault. And yes there have been days where my son did not want to go take a bath and i had to physically take him to the bathroom. When he got there he calmed down and took a bath.

When you push for a zero tolerance policy it really doesnt do anyone any good, and certainly your stance of any unwanted touch being considered physical assault is a zero tolerance policy that most sensible people would scoff at. Its so extreme that it kills any meaningful discussion on appropriate actions to take when dealing with a child throwing a tantrum.

To be clear, I did separate children who fought and I did physically remove disruptive children. This did involve physically assaulting them. I think most sensible people would understand the difference between that action and physically forcing children to bathe. But I concede that there may be those who see no difference.

So I'm not advocating zero tolerance of physical intervention, and I apologise if my earlier responses did seem to give that impression.

Skelepuzzle · Nov 11, 2018

sangreal said:
... but the whole point of this statement is in opposition to your stance

Oh I'm not encouraging hand or butt swats, but parents are imperfect and if your kid does some wild shit (try to touch something hot, run into the street etc) a swat might come out before you have time to think about it. I was making the distinction that deliberately, physically punishing your kids is fucked up.

StrapOnFetus · Nov 11, 2018

Meh, I got the paddle in school. Most of yall probably do not remember those days. I also got the belt as well. I deserved it though, I was a shit head as a kid for real.

All depends on circumstance, if you exhaust all other options, and your kid is still walking all over you, then hell yea. Give that kid a spanking and time out.

Verano · Nov 11, 2018

idk some kids need a good spanking

Yasuke · Nov 11, 2018

Hycran said:
My mom never spanked or hit me growing up, but we did get whacked a few times and my brothers and I completely deserved it. Universally saying no spanking is easy because it is an absolutely terrifying experience, but a whack in the arm or a flick in the ear on a rare occasion isn't going to scar anyone.

.

Pretty much the method I take with my 7 year old. And even those are really rare from me. He has to reeeeally be fucking up.

NecroTechno · Nov 11, 2018

This is really good news. Institutes such as the AAP taking codified stances on issues like corporal punishment can have positive, widespread impact.

Jpop · Nov 11, 2018

WarLox said:
I wonder how people reconcile being pro choice but are against spankings.

Also I didn't read the article, but it's easy to say what not to do, but does their research say what is the best form of discipline for a child?

You should feel at your lowest point, like getting a less than 1 GPA in your major kind of low, with what this post would be graded as.

ElectricBlanketFire · Nov 11, 2018

StrapOnFetus said:
Meh, I got the paddle in school. Most of yall probably do not remember those days. I also got the belt as well. I deserved it though, I was a shit head as a kid for real.

All depends on circumstance, if you exhaust all other options, and your kid is still walking all over you, then hell yea. Give that kid a spanking and time out.

Kids don't deserve to be hit with anything.

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