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Can I ask for a monitor recommendation? I set up an old computer as a linux box running Ubuntu. I'd like a 24" or smaller IPS monitor that can rotate 90 degrees in case I need to in order to fit it on my desk. Most of the ones i've found don't rotate.
 

zkylon

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Tyranny I never really understood. Maybe it was just bad marketing. But I just don't understand entertainment where evil triumphs over good. I wanna escape reality and play in a world where good triumphs over evil. Not have my entertainment parallel the worst of reality.
well bear in mind not everyone plays videogames for escapism

a game like this war of mine or that dragon cancer are not gonna just give you easy thrills, you can get a lot more out of games if you're not stuck on that one thing

also, most games don't stick to complete fantasy, i'm sure you've played 'fun' games that must've made you face some unpleasant stuff, that's just the nature of how me make things, they always reflect the world we come from

it's rare to find something purely joyous like mario


oh wow it's 4 times as expensive now

that's so shit lol
 

Durante

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Can I ask for a monitor recommendation? I set up an old computer as a linux box running Ubuntu. I'd like a 24" or smaller IPS monitor that can rotate 90 degrees in case I need to in order to fit it on my desk. Most of the ones i've found don't rotate.
Here's a list of all 24" or smaller IPS monitors which rotate:
https://geizhals.eu/?cat=monlcd19wi...ar%7E11988_h%F6henverstellbar%7E11988_neigbar

(Geizhals has amazing filtering granularity and features)
 

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It's a terrible model for SP RPGs. Look at Tyranny and how it performed at He recent example. Here is a thread talking about how SP DLC do not sell well on this very forum.

Also, I am tired of Paradox DLC bullshit. We should have had EU5 and CK3 by now instead of a myriad of sometime conflicting, buggy and mostly overpriced DLCs.

Oh I know, I was just being greedy because I love the DOS games. I wouldn't say no to a couple of Witcher 3 size expansions but the paradox model of dozens of DLC for too much money definitely wouldn't fit.
 

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well bear in mind not everyone plays videogames for escapism

a game like this war of mine or that dragon cancer are not gonna just give you easy thrills, you can get a lot more out of games if you're not stuck on that one thing

also, most games don't stick to complete fantasy, i'm sure you've played 'fun' games that must've made you face some unpleasant stuff, that's just the nature of how me make things, they always reflect the world we come from

it's rare to find something purely joyous like mario


oh wow it's 4 times as expensive now

that's so shit lol

Yeah. I know. I even played through KoTOR as the dark side (once). It just was such a heavy handed marketing campaign on that game. I mean, they really stressed the evil over good narrative. To a fetish like degree. Which in a different period may have been completely fine. But in today's political environment, it's gonna be off-putting to a lot of people. If left such an awful first impression on me, I never even bothered to see if there was something more to it than the marketing campaign.
 

Derrick01

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i'm still surprised deadfire tanked, divinity 2 did great right? i had the idea classic rpgs were still selling well

Divinity had full co-op support and a make your own game type of mode on top of a extremely well received regular game. Pillars 2 is just...there. And it felt incomplete in spots at launch mostly around companion interactions and quests.

Honestly there was always more hype with OS2. The fig campaign for PoE 2 went really well but after that there was virtually 0 hype around the game across the internet. The community was much more hyped for OS2 from the very beginning.
 

AHA-Lambda

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I'm surprised at the animosity towards InXile? Their games aren't bad?
(I've not played bard's tale 4 yet though)
 

Derrick01

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I'm surprised at the animosity towards InXile? Their games aren't bad?
(I've not played bard's tale 4 yet though)

I don't think it's hate, just looking at their history and realizing how poor it is. Their very best games have been in recent years, since wasteland 2, and they're all only ok at best. They've been the least impressive dev in the crpg revival.
 

Jadax

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I'm surprised at the animosity towards InXile? Their games aren't bad?
(I've not played bard's tale 4 yet though)
Bard's Tale IV seems to be bad (haven't played it myself).
Tides of Numenera was not good.
Wasteland 2 was decent, but extremely buggy (some bugs still haven't been fixed).
The rest I haven't played, but seems average at best. So I guess who cares about them being taken over by MS? I get it they were one of the few crpg devs around, but their games were not good in my opinion.

Missed this. What happened?
Game was regionally priced, then they bumped up prices massively in some regions (3x in some places) - so not regionally priced anymore. I mean fuck what people earn in those regions right? Value of $30 in USA same as $30 in South Asia according to CDProjekt.

/facepalm.
 
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Missed this. What happened?
They used Steam's regional pricing feature which isn't just a currency converter but also makes games cheaper in some regions (usually developing countries and NICs). Now they changed that back manually and only give discounts for certain countries. Weirdly enough the game now costs more in some SA and SEA countries than in Europe.
 

Mivey

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Or they will just use them as an internal writing team.
Seems far fetched, their writing has always been mediocre. For Numenera they just worked with a whole bunch of authors, like Patrick Rothfuss. So that's not indicative of their usual writing ability. For that you need to look at Wasteland 2. Often funny, yeah, but nothing really good.
 

Madjoki

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GOG never had as large regional pricing as Steeam does. So I'd guess they now only offer regional prices where GOG also does.
 

zkylon

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DELTARUNE was so good!!

i never thought there'd be any more undertale anything so this was a super happy surprise and can't wait for chapter 2

also i need to browse some wikis to refresh my memory cos i'm so fucking bad at remembering plot

Yeah. I know. I even played through KoTOR as the dark side (once). It just was such a heavy handed marketing campaign on that game. I mean, they really stressed the evil over good narrative. To a fetish like degree. Which in a different period may have been completely fine. But in today's political environment, it's gonna be off-putting to a lot of people. If left such an awful first impression on me, I never even bothered to see if there was something more to it than the marketing campaign.
ah interesting, for me i actually like the idea of playing as a bad guy, specially if i can be pretty devilish about it haha

Divinity had full co-op support and a make your own game type of mode on top of a extremely well received regular game. Pillars 2 is just...there. And it felt incomplete in spots at launch mostly around companion interactions and quests.

Honestly there was always more hype with OS2. The fig campaign for PoE 2 went really well but after that there was virtually 0 hype around the game across the internet. The community was much more hyped for OS2 from the very beginning.
i really wonder how many people play the divinity coop modes

like while i enjoyed the brief bits of coop i did on divinity 1 i can't imagine playing an rpg like that

Game was regionally priced, then they bumped up prices massively in some regions (3x in some places) - so not regionally priced anymore. I mean fuck what people earn in those regions right? Value of $30 in USA same as $30 in South Asia according to CDProjekt.

/facepalm.
yeah, it's almost the same price as the latest assassins creed or call of duty games, which are like 30usd in argieland because you know, regional pricing is a thing you need to do in a country like mine where people make like 500usd a month

also strange because the witcher 3 is actually regionally priced

i kind of feel they'll roll it back again because it's just so fucking weird
 

dex3108

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GOG never had as large regional pricing as Steeam does. So I'd guess they now only offer regional prices where GOG also does.

I stopped caring about CDPR pre-consumer talk after W3 free DLCs. They simply left out some content out of the game and then released it now and than as PR move. Then they stopped releasing some of their games on Steam and now this. They are not that different from other publishers. I also fully expect them to try and make CP2077 GOG only.
 

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Will we have to wait until after the official launch of BF V for the PC/tech analysis? I am so super curious about certain settings effects on performance Vs. the sacrifice to visual quality. So far, it seems lighting is the one to drop first from Ultra to high, because the performance boost is nice but as far as I can tell the visual trade-off is negligible.

Also thanks a whole ton for the V-sync video, it was really helpful to understanding more about it. Not just what it is, but how it works as well. :)
 

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I stopped caring about CDPR pre-consumer talk after W3 free DLCs. They simply left out some content out of the game and then released it now and than as PR move. Then they stopped releasing some of their games on Steam and now this. They are not that different from other publishers. I also fully expect them to try and make CP2077 GOG only.

they could release it on GOG a couple days early to avoid the 30% cut everywhere else for a good amount of buyers and rebrand that as "pro consumer" because other publishers have started doing that and charging extra money for it.
 

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I stopped caring about CDPR pre-consumer talk after W3 free DLCs. They simply left out some content out of the game and then released it now and than as PR move. Then they stopped releasing some of their games on Steam and now this. They are not that different from other publishers. I also fully expect them to try and make CP2077 GOG only.
Only pro consumer thing they do is the non drm stuff
 

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I really dont get why devs/pubs dont care about regional pricing.

It has been shown that it can be totally healthy for some pubs. I mean when Steamspy had regional sales, you could see that e.g in China the regional priced atelier titles was the biggest region. For some XSeed games it is the biggest sales region.

And then on Era if you usually open a thread about pubs going away from regional pricing in low income regions, you read shit like "If they are that poor, they have other things to worry about" or "Gaming is a luxury. They dont need to play games." when I am pretty sure the era thread about a new Assassins Creed costing 400€/450$ would have 2000 threads and it would blow up on all major websites...
 

zkylon

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no company is ever gonna be "pro-consumer"

it just happens that their interests temporarily align with yours
 

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I stopped caring about CDPR pre-consumer talk after W3 free DLCs. They simply left out some content out of the game and then released it now and than as PR move. Then they stopped releasing some of their games on Steam and now this. They are not that different from other publishers. I also fully expect them to try and make CP2077 GOG only.
What games they didn't release on Steam exactly? Because they released all their catalogue but Gwent on Steam, and it makes sense, considering Gwent is F2P and if they release it on Steam they need to give Valve a cut from microtransactions, it can still happen of course, but if it doesn't there are plenty of F2P titles which don't release on Steam.

Regarding the free dlcs for Witcher 3, probably it was cut content, yeah, but still it was a nice marketing thing to do, I appreciated it, their paid expansion were so good, nothing compared to dlcs for other games.

Also not a single company is "pro-consumer". Their goal is to do money, plain and simple. I didnt follow the Thronebreaker case, did they tell it wouldn't come to Steam? Did they tell it was a GOG exclusive? If the first answer is "yes", than the fact the game released two weeks later on Steam is just crappy and they acted in such a way to boost GOG sales for the game. If they otherwise stated the game was a GOG Exclusive, they do that with plenty of titles (like the Remastered from Double Fine, in example), but eventually the game comes to Steam too. Other times (Sam & Max, Monkey Island 4) it doesn't, but I think that's up to the publisher (in this case Disney) than GOG.

I really dont get why devs/pubs dont care about regional pricing.

It has been shown that it can be totally healthy for some pubs. I mean when Steamspy had regional sales, you could see that e.g in China the regional priced atelier titles was the biggest region. For some XSeed games it is the biggest sales region.

And then on Era if you usually open a thread about pubs going away from regional pricing in low income regions, you read shit like "If they are that poor, they have other things to worry about" or "Gaming is a luxury. They dont need to play games." when I am pretty sure the era thread about a new Assassins Creed costing 400€/450$ would have 2000 threads and it would blow up on all major websites...

Because people don't give a fuck on questions which don't touch them directly, plain and simple. Another (maybe stupid) example: the retail releases in Italy now all pretty much cost 75€ each, while they are 69.98€ in the rest of Europe, and in US the same releases are 60$. On Steam we also pay games like the rest of Europe (the "rich" part). Now, I won't say Italy is comparable to places like Ukraine for the average monthly salary, it woould be just a lie, but as you know Italy is in a very bad economic situation with a huge unemployment rate, but still we pay games like (or in case of retail releases even more) than Germany, in example. But guess what? No one cares. While it's true if you/your country are in a bad economic situation gaming is not strictly the first world problem, it's also true if you have a full time job, you manage to live by yourself, paying your bills and in general having money to spend on things you like, you should be able to spend those money without being fucked by people who straight up refuse to aknowledge the economic situationt/disparity with other countries of your country. It would be like paying 3/4 times more for a Coca Cola, of course you don't need it, but if you want it, you should be able to buy one without getting ripped by the company.

But in general yeah, people don't give a fuck because they live in a country where the price of the game goes along with what they gain each month, and if someone argue about it (maybe someone from Brazil, which usually gets the short end of the stick), than gaming it's a luxury, you don't need it to live etc. etc.

The big thing with Thronebreaker isn't that the game came to Steam after being branded as a GOG exclusive. The real story here is that CDPR released the game on Steam with correct regional pricing, then noticed that people from poorer regions would rather buy the game from a store with fair regional prices (Steam) instead of GOG, and decided to say "fuck it" and remove regional pricing from most countries, saying it was "a mistake"

In this case yeah, they fucked up people badly. I hate when this happens, a company which used to be "good" or at least ok just fucks everyone with no respect, throwing their good will into the garbage. I still like CDPR for their games, W3 is one of my favourite title, but at this point I expect some garbage related to Cyberpunk like a Premium edition with a five days early access to the game and an exclusive golden rifle if you pre-order it.
 
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Kurt Russell

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What games they didn't release on Steam exactly? Because they released all their catalogue but Gwent on Steam, and it makes sense, considering Gwent is F2P and if they release it on Steam they need to give Valve a cut from microtransactions, it can still happen of course, but if it doesn't there are plenty of F2P titles which don't release on Steam.

Regarding the free dlcs for Witcher 3, probably it was cut content, yeah, but still it was a nice marketing thing to do, I appreciated it, their paid expansion were so good, nothing compared to dlcs for other games.

Also not a single company is "pro-consumer". Their goal is to do money, plain and simple. I didnt follow the Thronebreaker case, did they tell it wouldn't come to Steam? Did they tell it was a GOG exclusive? If the first answer is "yes", than the fact the game released two weeks later on Steam is just crappy and they acted in such a way to boost GOG sales for the game. If they otherwise stated the game was a GOG Exclusive, they do that with plenty of titles (like the Remastered from Double Fine, in example), but eventually the game comes to Steam too. Other times (Sam & Max, Monkey Island 4) it doesn't, but I think that's up to the publisher (in this case Disney) than GOG.

The big thing with Thronebreaker isn't that the game came to Steam after being branded as a GOG exclusive. The real story here is that CDPR released the game on Steam with correct regional pricing, then noticed that people from poorer regions would rather buy the game from a store with fair regional prices (Steam) instead of GOG, and decided to say "fuck it" and remove regional pricing from most countries, saying it was "a mistake"
 

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When's Half-Life coming to GOG.

I'm nearing the end of Kingpin I think. Yeah, the game's tough. It's a bit different than other games of its vintage, a lot of hitscan enemies that have breakneck reactions and are pretty spongy to boot. I can't imagine playing this game on higher than medium.
 

Mivey

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I find it ironic that a Polish publisher doesn't see the need for regional pricing. They should kinda see why offering the same prices that are normal in, say, Germany inside of Poland would be a bit of a dumb idea. At least, if you want people to buy it.
I wish Gaming executives would study some basic Econ. This isn't hard stuff, you price stuff to reach an equilibrium between market power, demand and supply. 60$ is way too high for most of the poorer parts of this world. You are just losing customers here.
 

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Will we have to wait until after the official launch of BF V for the PC/tech analysis? I am so super curious about certain settings effects on performance Vs. the sacrifice to visual quality. So far, it seems lighting is the one to drop first from Ultra to high, because the performance boost is nice but as far as I can tell the visual trade-off is negligible.

Also thanks a whole ton for the V-sync video, it was really helpful to understanding more about it. Not just what it is, but how it works as well. :)
Hi there Echo!
I am just finishing up the Hitman PC video at the moment and have something bigger planned for BF V to coincide with its real launch - so you will have to wait a bit I think. Hopefully you guys are OK with that. Even though it would be nice and tempting, I do other things than DF videos :D, cough cough, another job, cough cough. So We will have to wait a bit!

And thanks for the nice words regarding the vsync video - it took time and I wanted to be as correct as possible. It is not perfect at all, but hey, perhaps someone had a question answered there. Now only if people watched tech focus video as much as they watched videos about getting + 3 fps in fortnite :D
 

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I find it ironic that a Polish publisher doesn't see the need for regional pricing. They should kinda see why offering the same prices that are normal in, say, Germany inside of Poland would be a bit of a dumb idea. At least, if you want people to buy it.
I wish Gaming executives would study some basic Econ. This isn't hard stuff, you price stuff to reach an equilibrium between market power, demand and supply. 60$ is way too high for most of the poorer parts of this world. You are just losing customers here.
Don't worry, mate, we pay more for stuff than Germans do.
(No, really. Not all of things, but a lot of them)
 

low-G

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Hi there Echo!
I am just finishing up the Hitman PC video at the moment and have something bigger planned for BF V to coincide with its real launch - so you will have to wait a bit I think. Hopefully you guys are OK with that. Even though it would be nice and tempting, I do other things than DF videos :D, cough cough, another job, cough cough. So We will have to wait a bit!

And thanks for the nice words regarding the vsync video - it took time and I wanted to be as correct as possible. It is not perfect at all, but hey, perhaps someone had a question answered there. Now only if people watched tech focus video as much as they watched videos about getting + 3 fps in fortnite :D

Supposing raytracing support comes out around the 15th, will that make it into the BF V vid?
 

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So this isn't 100% just PC related, but it also affects me PC gaming wise. With the announcement of mouse/keyboard on Xbox, I'd like to give it a try sometimes.

So with that, does anyone think this will work for mouse/keyboard on xbox? I'd like to be able to just hit the button to flip between my PC and Xbox since I've got it all set up for streaming.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B...ac9-26d103f6c586&pf_rd_r=SHMH4WDD4QFCE9JPXA31
 
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