I disagree it was a boring slog. Absolutely not IMO.
Anyways, IF they'd have made a multiplayer mode akin to a Gears Of War, this game would have been a resounding success. The gunplay was def there for it. It could have been amazing!
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I disagree it was a boring slog. Absolutely not IMO.
Anyways, IF they'd have made a multiplayer mode akin to a Gears Of War, this game would have been a resounding success. The gunplay was def there for it. It could have been amazing!
I feel both Killzone and The Order have amazing settings but it's a shame both of these IPs haven't really had any thing that was a critical and commercial success.
Killzone 2 and 3 have a score on MetacCritic of 91 and 84, respectively. Both games sold very good during the PS3 era.
This is what I'm saying, let the people make it. And Sony can focus on developing more cinematic third person adventures.
"incredible machine´s attack patterns" = jumping in your face constantly
seriously, where was this good? the combat in Horizon boiled down to jumping for slow motion, shooting arrows till your finger hurts and rolling around like a madman because the machines were jumping at you again and again...sure, you could also use this weapon which binds them to the ground but frankly, how boring was that...
don´t see the "great combat" in Horizon tbh...it was like Tomb Raider on steroids
I know Guerilla Games is looking for a senior writer so is it likely they are working in a Horizon sequel. Has there been any hints of a Horizon sequel other than them making a RPG open world game for their next project. I'm secretly hoping for a Killzone RPG but I'm guessing Horizon 2 is a lock and Killzone is dead.
The term RPG has always been an iffy label because you had games with no real role playing getting the label, and then RPG started being associated with equipable gear and stats, and now every game has equipable gear and stats, the term is meaningless.
Nor do I, hence my point. Horizon isn't an RPG to me. Obviously player choice doesn't define it (even though Horizon offers basically none of that). Stats and progression doesn't define it. Character creation doesn't define it.
I play Fallout New Vegas, or The Witcher 3, or Dragon Quest XI, and I have no doubt they are RPGs. I play Horizon, or Assassin's Creed, and I have no doubt they are not.
I agree JRPGs come on PS4 all the time.
But I feel the JRPG genre doesn't have the big budget it used to. Yes Sony get Ninokuni 2, Tales of Games, and etc. But other than Final Fantasy XV (which was underwhelming) we haven't had a JRPG with a big budget with graphics rivalling Horizon and etc. People meant Sony to invest in a JRPG so they can have a quality first party game in the JRPG genre, the quality that Spiderman, God of War, Uncharted 4 and Horizon gas in terms of production value. Back in the PS1 and PS2 era the Final Fantasy series was a graphics showcase, but unfortunately Square Enix isn't like they used to.
However I understand from a business perspective it doesn't make sense for Sony to invest in the JRPG audience as they already have that audience buying their system without the need to invest. So it makes sense Sony want to invest in genres that have much more of a universal appeal.
Its always the same the competition is doing x! Sony must do x! when they dont really need to at all.
I probably didn't give Horizon a fair shake but the main thing that put me off is that the dinosaurs and characters look over designed and busy. And the world a bit boring though beautiful, at least from all the various gameplay and streams I've watched. There's no denying that its a big improvement and a huge accomplishment for Guerilla. Here's hope they they improve on every aspect with the sequel, there's definitely a lot of room for improvements.
I generally don't like open world games and stick to those where open world is just a back drop for incredible gameplay and traversal like Infamous Second Son and Spider-man. RDR2 is probably the first big modern open world game I've played and it's a bit of a culture shock, the setting and characters won me over and man is it simply incredible. Far overshadowed anything Sony has released this year and they made some absolute gems in God of War and Spidey.
Should open world games even try to match this level of immersion and detail? Especially first party?
I generally don't like open world games and stick to those where open world is just a back drop for incredible gameplay and traversal like Infamous Second Son and Spider-man. RDR2 is probably the first big modern open world game I've played and it's a bit of a culture shock, the setting and characters won me over and man is it simply incredible. Far overshadowed anything Sony has released this year and they made some absolute gems in God of War and Spidey.
Should open world games even try to match this level of immersion and detail? Especially first party?
Games like Persona 5 or DQ XI are big budget.
The upcoming CyGames RPG's Granblue Fantasy and Project Awakening are also AAA games.
That's an interesting question.
Sony could never make a game with the budget of RDR2. But look at how far InFamous Second Son was beyond GTAV visually. Even though it cost what? A fifth to a tenth of the budget?
Technology's progression makes producing comparable results possible for far less of a budget historically, though I kind of doubt that will be the case going forward.
On the one hand, I don't find the lack of a dedicated RPG studio or series to be a gaping hole in Sony's lineup like some do.
On the other hand, generation to generation third part support is by no means a guarantee. Long term having a strong exclusive 1st party RPG IP(s) helps to cultivate that audience and keep those third parties on your system. Same thing for FPSs, even though that's a genre I don't particularly care about.
On the other hand, generation to generation third part support is by no means a guarantee. Long term having a strong exclusive 1st party RPG IP(s) helps to cultivate that audience and keep those third parties on your system. Same thing for FPSs, even though that's a genre I don't particularly care about.
So now Sony has less studios than Ms? Sony really needs a studio to make a great arcade race and please Sony buy kojima studio, quantic dream and insomniac.
Yeah if the estimate of RDR2 is around 400 million then that kinda takes away from 3-4 first party titles. Probably best to not go that crazy but cant deny that all the money and man power can definitely be felt in Red, definitely more so than a publisher like Ubisoft who have thousands of people making open world games. Honestly I don't even want to play a game this huge again for years but if I have to I want it done absolutely perfect, Spider-man 2 wouldn't count because of course the priorities are different.
You like their work, but don't get why MS would buy them? That seems contradictory.
I'm actually not enjoying it much at all, but it truly is a wonder to behold. It is so massively beyond anything any other studio has managed, and until GTAVI, it will remain that.
I thought the same for the longest time, but not so much these days. The name is kind of misleading, but I take it as a throwback to table-top role-playing games but in a somewhat automated way where the story and characters are already set, but the most game-y aspects of it, the equipments, skills and magic, classes, etc. usually remain. So, to me, as long as it has those elements, it can be classified as an RPG and I'd be totally fine with it. It's not a big deal, though, genre labels are just labels. Not that important in the grand scheme of things.
Hoping Shawn Layden will be at the VGA's to share some stuff. Would be a perfect time to drop the Dreams beta. Then again... the servers would get murdered lol.
I agree on this.
Monolith Sofware nurturing those Xenoblades & future new games till now, with more quality & growing fanbase since the Wii era.
I didn't like it for a while but it was because of my inexperience with the genre, I'm still learning the ins and outs and how to approach a game of such magnitude. Even if I still hated the game yea I agree the novelty of seeing such a title is truly a wonder, reason alone to buy it, at least for me.
SIE console focused development studios/teams.
Naughty Dog
Polyphony Digital
Bend Studio
Japan Studio
Santa Monica Studio
Sucker Punch Productions
Guerrilla Games
San Diego Studio
PixelOpus
Manchester Studio
I count 15 teams.
Naughty Dog
Polyphony Digital
Bend Studio
Japan Studio
- Project Siren
- Team Asobi!
- Untitled Japan Studio team (Knack)
Santa Monica Studio
Sucker Punch Productions
Guerrilla Games
San Diego Studio
- Untitled San Diego Studio team (MLB: The Show)
- Untitled San Diego Studio team (Unannounced AAA title in partnership with Visual Arts)
PixelOpus
Manchester Studio
I count 15 teams.
Depends on your definition of studio. MS doesn't have anything like SIE Japan that comprises of multiple teams working on multiple projects simultaneously.
The point is moot anyway. Numbers don't matter if you're utterly incapable of fostering talent. One only needs to look at Rare to see studio management is not MS's forte.
Yeah, I don't regret buying it at all, and it was £60, which is more than I've ever played for a 'normal' edition of a game.
It still frequently leaves me slack-jawed. I don't think it uses its world in an effective manner at all, and I think it's considerably less fun than the previous entry. And in terms of game design, I think there are massively better open world games, most notably MGSV. But as an artistic and technological display of where this medium is at? It's so far and away from whatever's second, it really is staggering.
I hope the Dreams beta starts before VGA but yeah, it would be the perfect time with a big audience.
With the big success of the switch many jrpgs will turn multi or will be exclusive to the Nintendo consoles. It's a matter of time we will see persona 5 on other platforms some as that cygames's game
Can't confirm, seen it mentioned in the OT don't know if it's confirmed by an insider or not. Makes sense though, thousands of people working on it, 100 hour work weeks, 7-8 years of development.
I hear that since years but I don't see AAA JRPG's games coming exclusive for the Switch.
And maybe the Cygames RPGs coming also to Switch but with a big technical downgrade.
At the moment this games are PS4 only and the rest is only your opinion.
The only reason a third party developer would make a switch exclusive is if Nintendo paid for development of the game/paid for marketing of the game, or if its a super niche japanese title that they won't even bother localizing.
As far as games like Persona going multiplat, so what? It doesn't affect the quality of the game and will have basically zero impact on the success of playstation. Nier Automata didn't get less fun when it was ported to PC and Xbox and the PS4 didn't stop selling either.
As far as games like Persona going multiplat, so what? It doesn't affect the quality of the game and will have basically zero impact on the success of playstation. Nier Automata didn't get less fun when it was ported to PC and Xbox and the PS4 didn't stop selling either.
It sounds totally right. GTAIV was around 100m, V ballooned to 265. 400 for the leap in production scope seems about right.
My brother in law is a programmer at Rockstar in the UK and he basically hinted strongly to me that at some point every R* employee touched RDR2. Huge operation. He himself spent two years directly programming it non-stop and had long patches around that where huge amounts of things had to be redone. I'd imagine it cost more than $400 in the end, but it's probably already made that back.
"R* Games presents GTAVI...a billion dollar game"
Are you implying that Nintendo have circumvented this behaviour/fanbase? Cause I distinctly remember dozens of members of this board losing their mind after a Direct was delayed after a natural disaster.
I've played more than 10 hours of RDR2 so far, and to me HZD shits over it from great heights on pretty much every level, save the sheer amount of stuff to do, which is in direct relation with the amount of people working on it and the massive budget.
So... there's that.
Including marketing, the first billion dollar game is shockingly close. If it's GTA6 or RDR3 or Blizzard make a new MMO or whatever, it's coming in the next ten years.
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What do you guys think about this?
"Win this next gen on launch date", now if that isn't the most arrogant thing I've heard in a long time. That kind of confidence smells like how confident Microsoft was that the Xbox One was going to dominate the casual audience this generation. I'm not sure if people believe what Boogie says, but if he has spoken to someone from Xbox, I'm just gonna say it straight up, you're not going to see a "humble" Microsoft next-generation if this is the kind of premature messaging you can expect from their "higher ups" at this stage. Maybe it's the tone that he delivers the message, but it isn't a good look when what they've done in the past few months is caught back up to themselves and made up for the losses their studios took when head of Xbox himself closed multiple studios in 2016 because of their own mismanagement, when Sony was still "winning".
In a reality that is already here, Sony is not only already giving most of their studios the budget to create games that they always wanted to make, but continuing to expand their existing studios like Guerrilla, Naughty Dog, create brand new ones, some specifically for VR (something that MS doesn't seem anywhere near equipped enough to compete with what Sony has invested into), so that they are able to create both new IP and sequels to massive franchises like Horizon, God of War and Uncharted?
That's without mentioning the strong partners like Insomniac Games and KojiPro that they don't need to own to produce compelling exclusive content with. Could MS be this delusional about "winning a generation" by giving a good budget to the likes of Compulsion games, inXile and Obsidian?
What do you guys think about this?
"Win this next gen on launch date", now if that isn't the most arrogant thing I've heard in a long time. That kind of confidence smells like how confident Microsoft was that the Xbox One was going to dominate the casual audience this generation. I'm not sure if people believe what Boogie says, but if he has spoken to someone from Xbox, I'm just gonna say it straight up, you're not going to see a "humble" Microsoft next-generation if this is the kind of premature messaging you can expect from their "higher ups" at this stage. Maybe it's the tone that he delivers the message, but it isn't a good look when what they've done in the past few months is caught back up to themselves and made up for the losses their studios took when head of Xbox himself closed multiple studios in 2016 because of their own mismanagement, when Sony was still "winning".
In a reality that is already here, Sony is not only already giving most of their studios the budget to create games that they always wanted to make, but continuing to expand their existing studios like Guerrilla, Naughty Dog, create brand new ones, some specifically for VR (something that MS doesn't seem anywhere near equipped enough to compete with what Sony has invested into), so that they are able to create both new IP and sequels to massive franchises like Horizon, God of War and Uncharted?
That's without mentioning the strong partners like Insomniac Games and KojiPro that they don't need to own to produce compelling exclusive content with. Could MS be this delusional about "winning a generation" by giving a good budget to the likes of Compulsion games, inXile and Obsidian?
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I don't disagree with you, RPGs are my favourite genre and I would always love to see more of them. But another From collaboration would do wonders for them.
For what it's worth, I still think Bloodborne is better than the Xenoblade games and anything Obsidian has ever made, so even if Sony is lacking on the quantity front, they are definitely not lacking for quality RPGs. I'm not sure who would be able to pioneer an AAA RPG at Sony though, Sony Santa Monica maybe? And that is only if they have enough resources for two games, and if Cory Barlog's new IP idea is an RPG.
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