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Alucrid

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i hope not. then he'd probably have giant boobs and be showing 200% more skin
 

Stowaway Silfer

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he kinda is. what did you expect from a jrpg, coherent design?


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Charamiwa

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One of the earliest Frame Traps I've listened to had him speaking against #FE's design changes and I wrote him dowwn as a certain type and stopped listening to that show for a long time.
Some of those changes were completely nonsensical. They added a shirt underneath a wedding dress to hide a girl's neck of all things... You don't have to be a gamergater that cries censorship to be perplexed by silly changes.

And about giving Ben a side eye because he didn't mention the design... First of all he did ("I know it's not for everybody"), but also you have to realize he's probably 50 hours deep into this quite complex JRPG. Character design is like the first thing you notice, which is why everybody who haven't played the game yet talk about it. But after some time I bet it becomes very inconsequential, especially if you love the game as Ben seems to do.

Basically he's on another plane of existence right now.
 
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Sephiroth

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Honestly, how is this not a step up from Naked Dunban?

Edit: I take that back. Dunban is a sexy sexy man.
 

Tregard

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The Mole did it! 39% of the final vote

Now for my eternal gratitude to shine through, I will support any ResetEra stream ideas going forward (Yakuza mini-game marathon <3)
 

Stowaway Silfer

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Was anyone able to watch Cup of Jones? I tried but for some reason it didn't show up on my Patreon feed and the notification on my phone didn't lead me to the page.
Did he address the Colin situation?
 

crimilde

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Was anyone able to watch Cup of Jones? I tried but for some reason it didn't show up on my Patreon feed and the notification on my phone didn't lead me to the page.
Did he address the Colin situation?

Try from the phone's Web browser, that worked for me. The app wasn't showing the post. He's currently talking about it.
 

Uno Venova

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I mean, they don't have to bend to our will, if they're friends and want to do it, whatever. I'm not thrilled with it, but I'll live.
 

Hasney

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Just a reminder for everyone about the rule this forum has about not giving a platform to Colins content and please don't discuss it here. I know moderation is more sensible here than it is other places, but I'd hate to risk the thread temporarily or people getting warnings/bans, when we were warned to about the previous Colin discussion too.
 

Tregard

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Just a reminder for everyone about the rule this forum has about not giving a platform to Colins content and please don't discuss it here. I know moderation is more sensible here than it is other places, but I'd hate to risk the thread temporarily or people getting warnings/bans, when we were warned to about the previous Colin discussion too.

I'm assuming this will include Jones' appearance on Fireside Chats? Not that I was planning on linking to it anyway, just for clarity so people don't do so accidentally.
 

Hasney

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I'm assuming this will include Jones' appearance on Fireside Chats? Not that I was planning on linking to it anyway, just for clarity so people don't do so accidentally.

If that's Colins show, then yeah, this was the mod note of the last closed thread:

Colin Moriarty and discussion of his work, even when relevant to video games, is against the community guidelines and there's no reason to give him a platform here.
 

Stowaway Silfer

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Try from the phone's Web browser, that worked for me. The app wasn't showing the post. He's currently talking about it.

Thanks! This worked for me and I'm currently listening.

I mean, they don't have to bend to our will, if they're friends and want to do it, whatever. I'm not thrilled with it, but I'll live.
My thoughts pretty much. I'm disappointed but it's his life. I just hope he is conscious of the implications of what he's doing.
 

Dineren

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Well, that's disappointing. I think it's a mistake, but whatever, as long as I don't have to see Colin on EZA.
 

Tankard

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As long as Colin never show up in EZA content. It's a bit disappointing but ok i guess.

Group stream should be nice tonight.
 

crimilde

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I'll echo the sentiments here. It's indeed disappointing but I respect Brandon's stance on it. I'm glad though that at least Colin won't appear in EZA content.
 

Holundrian

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I'll echo the sentiments here. It's indeed disappointing but I respect Brandon's stance on it. I'm glad though that at least Colin won't appear in EZA content.
Brandon didn't say that I don't think there was a hard no on Colin being on EZA content. He just said it's unlikely given the current setup and the current familiarity with Colin like they're already having only guests on very rarely because of that. Something along those lines.
 
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Well at the very least I won't have to see Colin on the couch. Jones is free to do whatever he wishes for the brand though. If he uses the fireside chat to also talk against any sort of blowback that could be used against the community or His own views, I'm all for it.

Like Ian said on Twitter, it's tough to decide whether or not to engage with the jerks of the world for change or if ignoring them is the better answer. But if Jones really has integrity, he'll go in there being himself and not willing to give Colin an inch.
 

Holundrian

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Well at the very least I won't have to see Colin on the couch. Jones is free to do whatever he wishes for the brand though. If he uses the fireside chat to also talk against any sort of blowback that could be used against the community or against any sort of industry views, I'm all for it.

Like Ian said on Twitter, it's tough to decide whether or not to engage with the jerks of the world for change or if ignoring them is the better answer. But if Jones really has integrity, he'll go in there being himself and not willing to give Colin an inch.
I highly doubt that whole thing will be confrontational in any form. It's likely not even touching anything divisive. But maybe I'm wrong.
 

crimilde

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Brandon didn't say that I don't think there was no hard no on Colin being on EZA content. He just said it's unlikely given the current setup and the current familiarity with Colin like they're already having only guests on very rarely because of that. Something along those lines.

Yeah, I know. I just interpreted that answer as a very polite, very diplomatic no, so as not to ruffle any feathers. I guess we can't be 100% sure though.
 

dickroach

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I can't believe Kyle played Pac Man 2 for two hours last night. that's a game I rented for an entire week one summer and I don't think I even got as far as he did in those two hours because it was so frustrating.
 

Hasney

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I can't believe Kyle played Pac Man 2 for two hours last night. that's a game I rented for an entire week one summer and I don't think I even got as far as he did in those two hours because it was so frustrating.

Weirdly, it's been a banner couple of weeks for streaming that game. Drew of Clothmap and Jeff from Giant Bomb ended up streaming it too. I wonder why....
 

Alucrid

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Well at the very least I won't have to see Colin on the couch. Jones is free to do whatever he wishes for the brand though. If he uses the fireside chat to also talk against any sort of blowback that could be used against the community or His own views, I'm all for it.

Like Ian said on Twitter, it's tough to decide whether or not to engage with the jerks of the world for change or if ignoring them is the better answer. But if Jones really has integrity, he'll go in there being himself and not willing to give Colin an inch.

no offense to jones but he seems fairly ill equipped to do anything of the sort and from a personality perspective that seems in the complete opposite direction for him. combine that with his rather milquetoast statements i've caught wind of from today's coj i think it would be overly presumptuous to expect anything confrontational.
 

Adeptfawn

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Jones is going on Colin's show? Well, I'm guessing that'll go well with parts of the community...
I don't follow Colin at all so I guess I'll repeat what everyone's said: as long as Colin isn't in EZA shows I can deal. Not happy about it but I can easily ignore him

Getting a bit back on topic, now that Ben is playing Xenoblade Chronicles 2 I hope at some point we get a discussion on JRPG character design. Even leaving aside XC2's characters (although they do look terrible IMO) I think there's plenty to talk about when it comes to character design in modern JRPGs.
Like, a good example in Persona 5 (small endgame spoilers) the team's secondary Persona are almost all pretty damn ugly. Especially compared to their starting persona. It got to the point when I was considering not maxing out some team confidants just to keep the better looking persona.
 
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I can't believe Kyle played Pac Man 2 for two hours last night. that's a game I rented for an entire week one summer and I don't think I even got as far as he did in those two hours because it was so frustrating.
The high point was when Pacman somehow finds a pizza to eat, thereby justifying the stream layout.

no offense to jones but he seems fairly ill equipped to do anything of the sort and from a personality perspective that seems in the complete opposite direction for him. combine that with his rather milquetoast statements i've caught wind of from today's coj i think it would be overly presumptuous to expect anything confrontational.

Oh I don't mean from him. I mean if Colin even tries to bring it up.
 

Charamiwa

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When Colin is with a guest he likes he acts all friendly and nice, so I'm sure it'll be a pleasant and interesting conversation. Though to be honest I was glad to hear he was leaving the game industry then, I watched Kinda Funny sometimes and his takes on games was getting worse and worse. Add to that his awful behaviour on social medias and yeah, I'm not thrilled to see him back.
 

Stowaway Silfer

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Well at the very least I won't have to see Colin on the couch. Jones is free to do whatever he wishes for the brand though. If he uses the fireside chat to also talk against any sort of blowback that could be used against the community or His own views, I'm all for it.

Like Ian said on Twitter, it's tough to decide whether or not to engage with the jerks of the world for change or if ignoring them is the better answer. But if Jones really has integrity, he'll go in there being himself and not willing to give Colin an inch.

Considering what I know of Jones from listening to him on podcasts, I sincerely doubt that Jones will be anywhere close to confrontational regarding Colin's views.
 
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MXAGhost

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I can't believe Kyle played Pac Man 2 for two hours last night. that's a game I rented for an entire week one summer and I don't think I even got as far as he did in those two hours because it was so frustrating.
I remember playing early in my gaming years and sheesh...I gave up within five minutes. I'm glad he has the fortitude to playthrough a game like this. That is why he is the best in the biz.
 

Holundrian

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It's not only that but I highly doubt that thing they're filming is conceptually about debating each other. If I'm going by what fireside chats was during IGN time it was just Colin + 1 chatting about stuff. If that changed correct me.
 

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Yeah, I know. I just interpreted that answer as a very polite, very diplomatic no, so as not to ruffle any feathers. I guess we can't be 100% sure though.

That's how I interpreted it, too, but it didn't gel with me that he wasn't willing to say it. That, and that he didn't really address the issues Colin created by calling out members of the community, sometimes going out of his way to dig up tweets that weren't directed to him at all, and then going on to screencap said tweet when the person deleted it out of fear of the backlash being singled out like that would cause. With him, it isn't just his community. He feeds it. Some people were really let down by the lack of response on that from what I have seen. I appreciate that Brandon tries his best to be diplomatic, but when I think back on the episode... did we really get a straightforward answer on anything? I know Brandon is a nice person, and he does care about the marginalised people in the community, but I can't help but feel disappointed.
 

thecowboypoet

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I haven't caught up on Cup of Jones yet but I'm fine with Jones going on Colin's show. Don't get me wrong, I find Colin's arrogance incredibly off putting. And his sexist and racist comments make me uncomfortable. But people trying to order Jones not to do it also make me feel uncomfortable too. Just because you donate $5 a month to the Allies doesn't mean you get input on what they do in their free time. You do you Brandon.
 

JayC3

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I haven't caught up on Cup of Jones yet but I'm fine with Jones going on Colin's show. Don't get me wrong, I find Colin's arrogance incredibly off putting. And his sexist and racist comments make me uncomfortable. But people trying to order Jones not to do it also make me feel uncomfortable too. Just because you donate $5 a month to the Allies doesn't mean you get input on what they do in their free time. You do you Brandon.
I don't think anyone is ordering Jones to do anything, and I've never gotten that sentiment from anyone to be honest. If we are patrons, it's because there are specific shows we want to support or just have general good-will towards EZA. If someone doesn't like what's happening, they are perfectly entitled to lower or withdraw their pledge if they are unhappy with the situation.
 

LiquidSolid

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Well at the very least I won't have to see Colin on the couch. Jones is free to do whatever he wishes for the brand though. If he uses the fireside chat to also talk against any sort of blowback that could be used against the community or His own views, I'm all for it.

Like Ian said on Twitter, it's tough to decide whether or not to engage with the jerks of the world for change or if ignoring them is the better answer. But if Jones really has integrity, he'll go in there being himself and not willing to give Colin an inch.
lol, that's not going to happen. He'll go on it, talk about games, avoid anything of substance and that'll be it.

I haven't watched CoJ yet but I've heard the cliff notes and... I've lost a ton of respect for Jones. From the sounds of things, he sounds like a politician. Lots of words but saying absolutely nothing. Heard the community's feedback (doesn't matter). Disapproves of the harassment and Colin's tweets (doesn't matter). He couldn't even say Colin will never be on EZA's content, he just had to leave a little bit of uncertainty there. I still need to watch CoJ myself but unless what I heard is completely wrong, I'm probably dropping my pledge by the end of the month. I'll still watch a lot of their content on Youtube and stick around here but I don't want anything to do with their wider community any more, it only seems to be getting more and more toxic.

Edit: To clarify, I think the appropriate response would've been: "I was originally going to go on Colin's show but after he and his fanbase started singling out and harassing members of the EZA community, I cancelled those plans because I think that behaviour is completely inexcusable." But nope, he doesn't care.
 
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crimilde

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That's how I interpreted it, too, but it didn't gel with me that he wasn't willing to say it. That, and that he didn't really address the issues Colin created by calling out members of the community, sometimes going out of his way to dig up tweets that weren't directed to him at all, and then going on to screencap said tweet when the person deleted it out of fear of the backlash being singled out like that would cause. With him, it isn't just his community. He feeds it. Some people were really let down by the lack of response on that from what I have seen. I appreciate that Brandon tries his best to be diplomatic, but when I think back on the episode... did we really get a straightforward answer on anything? I know Brandon is a nice person, and he does care about the marginalised people in the community, but I can't help but feel disappointed.

Yeah, I've been thinking about his answers a bit more, and I do feel that they were in fact very generic and non-committal. I understand that he's afraid of upsetting people, but it really is ironic that he admitted during this very episode that sometimes they don't take a stance and how that should change, while effectively doing that same thing by the end of the video.

I'm also miffed about the fact that he didn't mention YouTube as a platform for comments while talking about Discord, ERA and so on. Sure, they moderate and right out delete offensive Patreon posts, but how about all the bullying that Ian and Damiani have to go through on their main platform for posting videos.
 

Hasney

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I'm also miffed about the fact that he didn't mention YouTube as a platform for comments while talking about Discord, ERA and so on. Sure, they moderate and right out delete offensive Patreon posts, but how about all the bullying that Ian and Damiani have to go through on their main platform for posting videos.

I know Blood has gone through them with a flamethrower in the past, but obviously that's just when he has time I assume.
 
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