Damn some posters here just can't help themeselves. Fucking dumbass post over something as simple as people wanting a black woman in the game.
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Fans Are Disappointed That Overwatch Still Doesn't Have A Black Woman Hero
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Well there are 6 new heroes planned for release after Ashe. Let's hope one or two are black women.
The poster originally said "Pharah and Ana are Muslim and are not black...". I don't know what race modern day Egyptians are considered, but the fact they're Muslim certainly wouldn't have any bearing on it
Egypt is in Africa man.
Really?
Egypt has been majority Arab descent for generations.
In fact, racism against blacks and subsequent erasure are huge problems not just in Egypt but across Northern African nations.
...Genji was born. Orisa was created. Is this a real comparison you're making?
That's fair criticism. Even after the Ashe announcement, I found myself thinking "Oh another white woman..." which isn't meant in a bad way just that, considering Brigitte and Moira as well, the recent diversity in women DLC characters has been lacking. It's almost as if they've fallen into a comfort zone.
Reading the thread title I really got a bit confused, since Symetra and Sombra jumped to mind(and I don't really play that much OW). But upon further investigation I found out their backgrounds and it checks out.
Well, overwatch already has tons of diversity in it's cast, adding a black woman would hurt no one and would make more people happy. So it's a win-win. But I really don't think dissapointed should be the word used for OW, it is one of the most popular games that is really diverse in it's cast and I believe saying that is doing a disservice to it.
So is Libya, Tunisia, Algeria or Morocco.
They're middle eastern too?
Really?
Egypt is in Africa man.
Really?
Just because they don't conform to US ideas of African skin doesn't make them middle eastern. That's racist dude.
Even the site where you got your image from lists Egypt as being a part of the Middle East.
Yup, we agree. We just had a different read on the sentence itself. Because of the plural I assume, "doesn't it have more female" would had been more appropriate for the first part of the sentence. But that's not really what the thread is about and we don't even disagree.
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Egypt is in Africa man.
Really?
Just because they don't conform to US ideas of African skin doesn't make them middle eastern. That's racist dude.
Uh, what? Egypt is most definitely in the Middle East.
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Egypt is in there because of Sinai, a 10th of the whole country.
I'm talking about Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, Qatar, Turkey.
You people saying "Egypt is the same thing" proves that you are uneducated ignorants and deserve the president you have that bans countries at random.
Egypt is a bit complicated. Egyptians tend to refer to themselves as both Africans (because they're part of the region) and Arabs (because they speak it). They're both.
User Banned (Permanent): Excusing dismissive behavior in a sensitive discussion. Account still in junior phase.
Well being a 4th year medical student has its negatives.And i dont see how that has to do with any of this. Some users are just being banned for no specific reason.Mods should stop being offended on everything
I wouldn't call them Middle Eastern.
They're still African countries.
The people living there are not all black however. Even if they are still considered Africans - and I've heard that a lot of the Arab descent Africans there don't call themselves Africans, they see themselves as Arabs like their ancestors.
Discrimination against black Africans can be compared to the discrimination the aboriginals have faced in Australia, though a bit more extreme.
The details are very ugly and I don't want to derail the thread.
The point is that African does not mean black.
And Egyptians does not mean Middle Eastern, that's all i'm saying. Not that Egypt counts for black people.
Females seems possessive, like a term of ownership. Though I was exposed to the term through Star Trek Deep Space 9 so that clouds my judgement on that word. So when I hear the term Females I imagine a Ferangi saying with disgust.
For the amount of work Blizzard puts in for each character, I'm okay with more characters from them.
'African' is not synonymous with 'black'. There are many different races in Africa. It's like saying every English or German person is white. People should really educate themselves on this basic concept before putting forward these ideas.
Egyptians are predominantly arabs not black.
Egyptians are predominantly arabs not black.
The poster you're replying to already specified those countries as parts of northern Africa where black Erasure is a problem.
People don't just want a woman from Africa, though. They want a black hero. You wouldn't put in a Dutch-descended Afrikaner woman and call it the same as a black woman just because they're both from Africa. Pharah and Ana are Egyptians, who could be descendants of black Fellahin, black Nubians, Arabs, or mixed tribes. We don't know, but they're not the same as unambiguously black women that people want to see.
I'm from Southeast Asia, whose countries incidentally have no representation at all in the game - or in most games, really. However, you won't see me trying to dismiss a thread about black woman representation with a "but what about these other representations" while simultaneously make some kind of a "US rage system" accusation. Because that would be weird and kinda rude.
thats a nationality, not a race as far as I remember.
saying X or Y character "is not black" cause it from X or Y nationality seems like Splitting hairs to me, so does a black character has to be from an African Country or the stereotypical African American? what then about Lucio he is Brazilian, a country is Latin America, does that makes him Latino rather than Black?
Middle east is a term for a region this isn't an either or situation. In fact all definitions of the region involve the word transcontinental. Why is this even a discussion?
But there are two black men and two people I'd personally consider black since they're from Egypt. It's fine to be disappointed that they don't have specifically an African or African American woman. People want to see themselves in a game. There are some people actively making this out like it's a major failing on Blizzard's part when it's most definitely not. Overwatch is probably the most inclusive game of all time.
I don't know about that, all the bans have stated reasons and there's an awful lot of them that are about dismissing representation concerns. There may be a common thread here.
Why do you consider them black because they're from Egypt? That doesn't make sense.
If someone wants something in a game then they want something in a game
I wouldn't want someone telling me that its silly for me to want something, so I'm not going to do it to someone else
All I will say is dont take it as a personal slight if you do not receive what you want from a company that is clearly at least trying
and btw,
ITT: "russians are asians"
I wouldn't want someone telling me that its silly for me to want something, so I'm not going to do it to someone else
All I will say is dont take it as a personal slight if you do not receive what you want from a company that is clearly at least trying
and btw,
ITT: "russians are asians"
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The Overwatch cast is kind of diverse but they still stumble a bit with certain things. Another issue brought up is that most of the women look young for their age and are kind of thin. For the men you have characters of different size and age but the women are mostly young and thin. Even Ashe doesn't look 39.
Lucio is Afro-Brazilian, yes, but also unambiguously black. You can't say the same for Sombra/Pharah/Ana, and black women/girls want to see themselves represented proudly, not ambiguously or via black-adjacent ethnicities.
Wow I didn't realize there wasn't a black woman. That's pretty surprising given how varied the cast is already.
They have it concepted at the least. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
They have it concepted at the least. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
I know you're banned, but miss me with that last accusation.
Egypt is in Africa man.
Really?
Just because they don't conform to US ideas of African skin doesn't make them middle eastern. That's racist dude.
I guess you were fishing for that dumb derail.
While you're concern trolling over pedantic bullshit, the truth remains that a very large group, black women, isn't represented.
Overwatch is so diverse in a lot of ways, nationality, sexuality, body types, etc... That I think it has earned our trust a bit, being mad at Blizzard for specific thing seems to be a little quick to turn. They said they have stuff planned already, so honestly I trust that they will solve this issue in due time
Black people are extreme minorities in Egypt and are subjects to heavy racism. Not to say that Pharah can't be black, but she's most likely not. And I think it's simple: if you can't be sure whether a character represents you or not, then they make a pretty poor representation.
This topic is interesting all around. Both the opinions and the moderation are a joke.
I think the problem is that people think of representing black people they just add a black guy and call it a day, forgetting about black woman.
And the "what about Ana/Pharah/Symmetra" concern trolling, Arabs and Indians exist. People who aren't black can have dark/brown skin.
And the "what about Ana/Pharah/Symmetra" concern trolling, Arabs and Indians exist. People who aren't black can have dark/brown skin.
It might not make sense to you but my family agrees as I just asked them.
It should really be the easiest thing in the world to make one of their characters black. It's, quite simply, an aesthetic choice for Blizzard. Ashe could have been black and nothing about her character would have changed. Maybe some people on the Internet would piss and moan about "appealing to the SJWs" or some other asinine shit, but what else is new?
Lol at all the people claiming Pharah and Anna are black when they're clearly Arab. Also African != black.
That doesn't really make them black either. People can be misinformed together. Pharah and Ana look pretty clearly Bedouin to me, so they would be descendants of Arabs from Sinai. But the fact that it's not clear means it doesn't represent black women well enough to call it a day.
You can think whatever you want but in America your ass is black end of story.
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