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Xiaomi

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Oct 25, 2017
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lol what exactly are they colluding to do? I suppose Best Buy is guilty of collusion as well since you can only buy authorized apple stuff there?

Best Buy isn't a hardware manufacturer with a conflict of interest in helping a competitor to keep their prices high. Amazon stands to benefit from high Apple prices because their products like the Kindle fire are sold as lower-priced alternatives to Apple products.
 

Deleted member 11626

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Oct 27, 2017
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A company inhibiting the free market through exclusive agreements with other companies absolutely is monopolistic.

Definition of monopoly


1: exclusive ownership through legal privilege, command of supply, or concerted action

2: exclusive possession or control no country has a monopoly on morality or truth— Helen M. Lynd

3: a commodity controlled by one party had a monopoly on flint from their quarries— Barbara A. Leitch

4: one that has a monopoly The government passed laws intended to break up monopolies.

Are Amazon/Apple the only places to buy used or refurbished Apple products? Or even new? Does the Apple/Amazon agreement hinder the sale of competing electronics, such as Microsoft's Surface, Google's Chromebooks, or Samsung's Galaxy phones? No. You're still able to buy Apple products in any form and condition anywhere on the internet or at retail in bigger cities. You're still able to opt for a competitive device with similar functionality as well. In no way does this stymie your ability to do either. Unless you're a seller, you're likely unaffected since you still have plenty of legitimate options, and sellers will just migrate to other sites like eBay. Individual sellers have online classifieds and apps like letgo.

Again, this is not a consumer friendly move, however nothing about this is monopolistic. But then again this board called Disney a monopoly for regaining ownership over its own IP.

Just watch the Apple fanboys spin this into a positive somehow...

No more than google stans chanting about how it's okay for that company to market and sell every ounce of personal data you may not have even consented to because "Gmail is free"
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Again, this is not a consumer friendly move, however nothing about this is monopolistic. But then again this board called Disney a monopoly for regaining ownership over its own IP.

It is and isn't because Apple is trying to protect their brand and I'm sure they probably have some sort of data to back up bad sales via Amazon. Apple's whole thing is about their brand and the 'value' they bring to their buyers.
 

Xiaomi

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Oct 25, 2017
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Are Amazon/Apple the only places to buy used or refurbished Apple products? Or even new? Does the Apple/Amazon agreement hinder the sale of competing electronics, such as Microsoft's Surface, Google's Chromebooks, or Samsung's Galaxy phones? No. You're still able to buy Apple products in any form and condition anywhere on the internet or at retail in bigger cities. You're still able to opt for a competitive device with similar functionality as well. In no way does this stymie your ability to do either. Unless you're a seller, you're likely unaffected since you still have plenty of legitimate options, and sellers will just migrate to other sites like eBay. Individual sellers have online classifieds and apps like letgo.

Again, this is not a consumer friendly move, however nothing about this is monopolistic. But then again this board called Disney a monopoly for regaining ownership over its own IP.



No more than google stans chanting about how it's okay for that company to market and sell every ounce of personal data you may not have even consented to because "Gmail is free"

You can't use a dictionary definition to argue a legal standard. You need to look at both the laws on the books and case law. Nothing was stopping consumers or other companies from putting a new web browser onto Windows at the time of US vs. Microsoft, or switching to another OS, but Microsoft's unfair competitive advantage and proprietary knowledge of their APIs was enough to sink them.
 

Orb

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Oct 27, 2017
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Honestly with how often counterfeit Apple products are sold on Amazon, I can't really blame either party for going this route.
 

WedgeX

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Oct 27, 2017
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Are Amazon/Apple the only places to buy used or refurbished Apple products? Or even new? Does the Apple/Amazon agreement hinder the sale of competing electronics, such as Microsoft's Surface, Google's Chromebooks, or Samsung's Galaxy phones? No. You're still able to buy Apple products in any form and condition anywhere on the internet or at retail in bigger cities. You're still able to opt for a competitive device with similar functionality as well. In no way does this stymie your ability to do either. Unless you're a seller, you're likely unaffected since you still have plenty of legitimate options, and sellers will just migrate to other sites like eBay. Individual sellers have online classifieds and apps like letgo.

Again, this is not a consumer friendly move, however nothing about this is monopolistic. But then again this board called Disney a monopoly for regaining ownership over its own IP.



No more than google stans chanting about how it's okay for that company to market and sell every ounce of personal data you may not have even consented to because "Gmail is free"

Quoting dictionary definitions of monopoly rather than economist definitions of monopolistic (or even monopoly, or oligopoly) misses the point entirely.

Two large corporations with large market shares are pushing out competition through exclusive agreements. And eliminating an entry point, making barriers to entry impossibly high in a large segment of the market.
 

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Best Buy isn't a hardware manufacturer with a conflict of interest in helping a competitor to keep their prices high. Amazon stands to benefit from high Apple prices because their products like the Kindle fire are sold as lower-priced alternatives to Apple products.

Forget for a moment that prices for apple products are set by apple through seller agreements. Exactly how does apple benefit from amazon selling kindle fires? More importantly, how is the consumer harmed by apple maintaining the same price for it's products sold at other retailers and amazon selling lower priced kindle fires?
 

Xiaomi

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Oct 25, 2017
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Forget for a moment that prices for apple products are set by apple through seller agreements. Exactly how does apple benefit from amazon selling kindle fires? More importantly, how is the consumer harmed by apple maintaining the same price for it's products sold at other retailers and amazon selling lower priced kindle fires?

Each company has its own distinct benefits. Apple gets to keep its prices high and limit its customer base's opportunities to purchase their products outside of their ecosystem. Amazon gets to keep their pricing niche for their own competing products and make the barrier of entry for selling a competitor's products higher.
 

ronco2000

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Oct 28, 2017
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I mean I buy Apple products so I've come to terms with that long before now. I do most shopping on Amazon so the more Apple gets along with Amazon the better.

Also have zero interest in refurb so this doesn't impact me.

It doesn't impact him, guys, so it's ok. Move along nothing to see here.
 

ZackieChan

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm not sure why this is a bad thing. Presumably Apple want to ensure the quality of refurbished units if sold via a platform that is an official Apple retailer.
A bunch of people who probably don't even buy Apple products disagree, I guess.
Apple and Amazon can do whatever they want here. People are free not to use either.
 

ronco2000

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Oct 28, 2017
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It doesn't. I'm not going to act upset (nor do I have to agree with y'all) about something I think is perfectly fine/possibly beneficial for me as someone who likes Amazon and Apple.
I bet you're a pro gun too just because non of your family got killed from all these mass shooting. GTFO.
 

RedHeat

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Oct 25, 2017
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I bet you're a pro gun too just because non of your family got killed from all these mass shooting. GTFO.
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RPGam3r

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Oct 27, 2017
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That's you're mindset. You don't care if it doesn't affect you.
I do care about things that involve taking people's lives. I don't care about a retailer agreement that doesn't affect people's lives but merely where they potentially buy refurbished Apple products (and potentially making it better for me as an avid shopper on Amazon and of new Apple products). I don't treat all topics the same, and I especially don't equate people losing their lives to retailer agreements.
 

ronco2000

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Oct 28, 2017
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I do care about things that involve taking people's lives. I don't care about a retailer agreement that doesn't affect people's lives but merely where they potentially buy refurbished Apple products (and potentially making it better for me as an avid shopper on Amazon and of new Apple products). I don't treat all topics the same, and I especially don't equate people losing their lives to retailer agreements.
I guess you like living in your own bubble then.
 

gozu

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yo what the fuck? How is this legal? Amazon needs to be brought to heel with their monopoly-level power. They are too big to be allowed to do this shit
 

Braaier

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Oct 29, 2017
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It doesn't. I'm not going to act upset (nor do I have to agree with y'all) about something I think is perfectly fine/possibly beneficial for me as someone who likes Amazon and Apple.
So you're just looking out for yourself. I doubt you bought Apple products on Amazon before but now all of a sudden you think you'll be able to find their products on there? Right. Good lookin out
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I think people need to remember how much flat out scamming happens on Amazon with counterfeit products. I see this as the lynchpin of any sale of new Apple products on their site because resellers would scam the system. See all the lawsuits about counterfeit chargers, for example.
 

RPGam3r

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Oct 27, 2017
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So you're just looking out for yourself. I doubt you bought Apple products on Amazon before but now all of a sudden you think you'll be able to find their products on there? Right. Good lookin out

I have bought some Apple products from there and with this deal potentially I'll shop for Apple products there more. I agree it is good looking out.
 

Braaier

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Oct 29, 2017
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I have bought some Apple products from there and with this deal potentially I'll shop for Apple products there more. I agree it is good looking out.
Some. LOL. I doubt you have bought much since Apple products are very limited on amazon, unless you're purchasing from third parties on Amazon. And I seriously doubt this deal will change things. You'll still continue to buy your products directly from Apple.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Yo what the fuck? How is this legal? Amazon needs to be brought to heel with their monopoly-level power. They are too big to be allowed to do this shit

Manufacturers and retailers negotiate deals all the time. Many manufacturers require minimumn pricing standards on goods sold within stores, or online. This is actually why so many brick & mortar small business suffer because they're held to different standards in some industries. For example with cycling components, Shimano requires local shops to sell products at X but does not enforce this for A LOT of online retailers. Another company is Wahoo Fitness, whom maintains strict pricing standards for anyone who sells their products.
 

asmith906

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Oct 27, 2017
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What's even more fucked up is if you wanted to become an authorized reseller you need to buy 10 million dollars worth of apple products to even qualify. It's ludicrous
 

asmith906

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Oct 27, 2017
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I do care about things that involve taking people's lives. I don't care about a retailer agreement that doesn't affect people's lives but merely where they potentially buy refurbished Apple products (and potentially making it better for me as an avid shopper on Amazon and of new Apple products). I don't treat all topics the same, and I especially don't equate people losing their lives to retailer agreements.
This does effect people lives. If you make a living refurbishing Macs and reselling them apple just took a huge chunk of your market away from you. Apple doesn't want third party repairs because they don't get any money from it. It's why they are going after both the front end with how they sell and also using the courts to go after the back end of the market with making it restrictive to even get parts.
 

Inugami

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yes, and on top of that "is this an actual Apple product" and "why is this not on Prime" are also thoughts that cross my mind.
So you having to wait a few extra days is enough to deprive people of their livelihood and rights to do with their products what they want? Okay, makes sense.