Her job is to whip votes for legislation... she;s one of the best like potentially ever at that.
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NPR: Group of Democrats moving to oppose Nancy Pelosi's campaign for speaker of the House
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Her job is to whip votes for legislation... she;s one of the best like potentially ever at that.
I gave you an answer and you conveniently ignored it. Specifics apply to almost every single issue. Basically all of healthcare and financial regulation for example. All of it. The donations must be charity.
It's amazing how so called liberals have to become so dishonest and twist themselves into defending the corrupting influence of money in politics to defend politicians they prefer.
It's honestly sad . :/
Ok cool, who is going to take the job, it's a job few actually want because it;s pretty much a career ender if you have aspirations beyond that job.
Right now the only ones that want the job are Pelosi who despite what you claim to know is actually good at her very specific job, and Tim Ryan whose backers claim to be the silent majorty, which you know is not even moderate but conservative white democrats who think the left is very very very scary and will not pass or fight for progressive legislation that Pelosi would.
You're going to have to actually point out some examples of her supposed "corruption" in action. Otherwise you are just stirring up trouble with no basis.
Good. I'm sure Pelosi as a devoted capitalist welcomes competition. Plus, as competition is great she will be required to perform to her best.
Win Win!!
Win Win!!
In what reality is what I said wrong? She doesn't push progressive policy. She's a staunch capitalist, she constantly compromises minorities and the poor away under this delusion that we "just need to compromise with the fascists and things will turn around.". They fucking don't. Things gave gotten worse in this country in part, tho there are many factors .due to spineless Democratic leadership claiming we need to just work together with literal fascists whose policies threaten the lives of people they're supposed to be fighting for. We need to stop fricking compromising with these people.
Big fan of Tim Ryan and a potential shift to the right for the Dems?
Donations don't get you votes.
NRCC spent 5M on Comstock. She lost by 12 points when we sent her packing last Tuesday.
Its weird how everyone hating om her doesn5 hsve any legislative proof
Just pointless soundbites and shes old
Just pointless soundbites and shes old
It's just heartbreaking to see such lies spread about a women who has spent most of her life fighting for the American people.
"Too bad you dont like the truth, Person knows how the Government operates or what they actually do, clearly I the guy who doesnt pay attention or provides direct substance, knows better"
Seriously give receipts on what she has done. You again attck the person who actually pushed progressive agenda and yet blatantly ignore the person that is Chuck Schumer, someone who does what you complain about.
It's heartbreaking and drives my depression up the wall that people think compromise with fascists that results in minorities, women and the poor being hurt is a good thing.
Compromising whem youre the minority party is necessary
Look at what she actually does when she has powr
"Pelosi has been credited for spearheading President Obama's health care law when it seemed that it would go down in defeat. After Republican Scott Brown won Democrat Ted Kennedy's former senate seat in the January 2010 Massachusetts special election and thereby causing the Senate Democrats to lose their filibuster proof majority, Obama agreed with then chief of staff Rahm Emanuel's idea that he should do smaller initiatives that could pass easily. Pelosi, however, dismissed the president's fear and instead mocked his scaled-back ideas as "kiddie care."[44] After convincing the president that this would be their only shot at health care because of the large Democratic majorities they currently had, she rallied her Democratic caucus as she began an "unbelievable marathon" of a two-month session to craft the health care bill, which successfully passed the House with a 219–212 vote. In Obama's remarks before signing the bill into law, he specifically credited Pelosi as being "one of the best Speakers the House of Representatives has ever had."[45][46][47]"
From wikipedia. Nonsense, pure nonsense
If they've done it for decades it'll be super easy for you to point to an example Pelosi is responsible for, go on.
The only other one who wants it is Tim Ryan
I'd probably retract the anyone but her statement you just made
Unless you're a big fan of conservative white male Dems who claim to be the silent majority?
Is this a joke
She has only held the speaker position for a few years
Before she was speaker she was constwntly pushing for progressive agenda
Dont blame blue dogs for pelosi, she whips them in to votes
Jesus christ
So it shouldn't be hard to give a specific example of Pelosi compromising to screw over women and minorities.
I'm waiting.
Do not ever say this to me as if you know what the fuck you are talking about. You are not willing to actually learn anything and are actively hoping to splinter the party by replacing someone who can do her job to someone who quite frankly stated that it isnt our turn.
Whatever you feel about Pelosi, removing a congress woman from leadership, in 2018, with everything going on, could be a bad look. They dropped Franken because it was a bad look to a foundational part of the party.
So, explain it to me, like I'm a woman, why we are getting rid of Pelosi. Who else has put in the time? Some old white guy?
The only real play, after the last two elections, is to elect a black woman. I mean, what group is universally excited about voting for Democrats? The excitement is coming from one part of the party. It's women and more specifically, it's women of color and very uniquely, it's Black women. Democrats better pay attention.
Stacy Abrams got within 1 point in Georgia. That Carter kid got whupped by 8 points. Abrams pulled in 800k more votes than Carter. And they are still counting. And the Rs cheated.
So, explain it to me, like I'm a woman, why we are getting rid of Pelosi. Who else has put in the time? Some old white guy?
The only real play, after the last two elections, is to elect a black woman. I mean, what group is universally excited about voting for Democrats? The excitement is coming from one part of the party. It's women and more specifically, it's women of color and very uniquely, it's Black women. Democrats better pay attention.
Stacy Abrams got within 1 point in Georgia. That Carter kid got whupped by 8 points. Abrams pulled in 800k more votes than Carter. And they are still counting. And the Rs cheated.
All of it. Every single stance a politician takes is influenced by who puts them in power.
Data on aggregate effect is undeniable. Are you arguing Pelosi is magically immune and that her donors are magically philanthropic? Come the fuck on.
So you have nothing and are willing to disregard her actions as if they dont mean anything
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Here comes dishonest Kirblar pretending to not understand how an anecdotal single example is irrelevant when aggregate suggests otherwise
Now you're arguing that money from donors is worthless???,
So they should stop taking it then! Great!
You're trying so hard to defend the indefensible it's mindblowing what horrible self defeating arguments you're forced to make.
I mean, if those donors encouraged her to be pro-choice, pro-LGBT when it wasn't popular, to oppose the Iraq War, and to pass the public option, they can't be all bad.
I already said every. You wanted an example, I said everything! What more do you want lol. Answer my points please. :)
Pelosi and her donors are magical? :) That's your argument?
Note. Im not singling Pelosi here. This applies to all politicians taking corporate donations and pac money. It's not just horrible politics. It's bad for policy.
If it's all about money, why isn't everyone taking money from the NRA?
A progressive dem who doesn't share the same countrywide mindspace as hillary clinton?
Those donors getting her to stand 8 hours for a speech to try and persuade republicans to protect dreamers probably had to write a large check too amirite?
I have it on authority that Nancy Pelosi is, in fact, a vertebrate. So we are good there.
Who the fuck cares? Whoever is gonna be speaker is gonna be smeared. ESPECIALLY if theyre effective and ESPECIALLY if theyre a woman. Why do you think theres no anti schumer ads by the GOP?
Her job isnt to be popular, her job is to manage the house.
Nancy Pelosi doesn't have the guts to be a Bitch McConnell. We need someone that will not compromise and not bend. I think the song from Ludacris makes perfect sense here.
Hold up. The Fight's out. I'm bout to punch your LIGHTS OUT. We need that to energize the youth. The time for reasonable logic is over with. You want to get asses out there voting? Get to them emotionally. Charge the youth. Logic works to reasonable people, but you want to really get them out? Charge them emotionally.
Hold up. The Fight's out. I'm bout to punch your LIGHTS OUT. We need that to energize the youth. The time for reasonable logic is over with. You want to get asses out there voting? Get to them emotionally. Charge the youth. Logic works to reasonable people, but you want to really get them out? Charge them emotionally.
Lol calling Kirblar dishonest. He might be blunt most of the time but he's usually typically honest.
It is 10 that are for a conservative dem named Tim Ryan.
You want someone more conservative in the speakership?